Child suspended for his religious beliefs

[Felated Show Pony]

This child is amazing.

Pastafarianism is the best refutation of the stupidity that is "intelligent" design that has ever come out of this debate. The faculty should respect that, or at least get the fuck out of his way.

In a society founded by Puritans that still retains a large part of its heritage, I don't think so :[

Why can't people just be atheists?

Pastafarianism IS atheism. it's just a novel way of showing that religion is shit and corrosive to logic.

It's like Buddhism. not a religion, but a philosophy. Go kid, go.

I think he means the "type" of atheist that keeps their mouth shut when a religious debate comes up, and if asked, just politely says "oh, I don't believe in any god", as opposed to violently supporting their opinion.

Just like with any religious sect, you're going to get people of every mold. I've seen atheists that care little about anybody else's faith, and I've seen Christians that feel the same way.

atheists don't HAVE to do what you say. They DON'T have to keep their mouths shut, or just go along to get along.

I don't go around damning religion in the streets, but he should have every right to do that, since christians can do the same. RELIGION IS A PIECE OF SHIT, and anyone smart enough to mock should not be subject to this crap. and by the way, nonreligious people are the fastest growing intellectual group in America, and Puritans currently make up less than one percent. The figures were released last month for 2008.

 

[Nannernade]

Uhm... what religion worships pirates exactly...? Not that I have anything against it, it's just I've never heard of such a thing lol. Then again it wouldn't be surprising that I didn't know about it since I don't get involved with any religion.

Someone clearly needs to be educated in the ways of Pastafarianism. Go here [http://www.venganza.org/], and be enlightened!

Lol that's ok, I'll just live in the dark.

 

[Nannernade]

Rofl that's hilarious, that's a pretty stupid religion. XD I'm sorry I don't care if I catch hell for saying it but omg that's so funny. XD
Mostly the part saying a lack of pirates caused global warming ha ha.

Just as a note, I'm not a religion believer, I don't give a crap about any religion.

 

[G1eet]

This child is amazing.

Pastafarianism is the best refutation of the stupidity that is "intelligent" design that has ever come out of this debate. The faculty should respect that, or at least get the fuck out of his way.

In a society founded by Puritans that still retains a large part of its heritage, I don't think so :[

Why can't people just be atheists?

Pastafarianism IS atheism. it's just a novel way of showing that religion is shit and corrosive to logic.

It's like Buddhism. not a religion, but a philosophy. Go kid, go.

I think he means the "type" of atheist that keeps their mouth shut when a religious debate comes up, and if asked, just politely says "oh, I don't believe in any god", as opposed to violently supporting their opinion.

Just like with any religious sect, you're going to get people of every mold. I've seen atheists that care little about anybody else's faith, and I've seen Christians that feel the same way.

atheists doesn't HAVE to do what you say. They DON'T have to keep their mouths shut, or just go along to get along.

I don't go around damning religion in the streets, but he should have every right to do that, since christians can do the same. RELIGION IS A PIECE OF SHIT, and anyone smart enough to mock should not be subject to this crap. and by the way, nonreligious people are the fastest growing intellectual group in America, and Puritans currently make up less than one percent. The figures were released last month for 2008.

I never said they had to. You are twisting my words. Some people are less vocal about their faith or non-faith, others may be louder and more obnoxious than Sarah Palin about it. I tend to favor the former, because it's easier on my ears

And it seems my other point went over your head. The Puritans landed here and decided to found a society based on their God's laws and that we are "a city set upon a hill". That idea still permeates through to our society, like it or not; the idea that we're the best.

We say there is a separation of church and state, but religion can act outside of any governing body, and go right through the general populace. Remember all that jazz about removing the 10 Commandments from government property? And when that whole stem-cell debate popped up?

They also promoted a free, all inclusive education system, which we have today. They also believed in equality. Do you think Martin Luther King, Jr. was reiterating Puritanical beliefs? He was, in fact. Or Teddy Roosevelt and "manifest destiny"? Remember, the Puritans believed in predestination?

Don't even get me started on Puritanical morals... lol.

 

[Dr. Gorgenflex]

I think tomorrow we should honor him and dress as pirates.

 

[Felated Show Pony]

Puritan

I never said they had to. You are twisting my words. Some people are less vocal about their faith or non-faith, others may be louder and more obnoxious than Sarah Palin about it. I tend to favor the former, because it's easier on my ears

And it seems my other point went over your head. The Puritans landed here and decided to found a society based on their God's laws and that we are "a city set upon a hill". That idea still permeates through to our society, like it or not; the idea that we're the best.

We say there is a separation of church and state, but religion can act outside of any governing body, and go right through the general populace. Remember all that jazz about removing the 10 Commandments from government property? And when that whole stem-cell debate popped up?

They also promoted a free, all inclusive education system, which we have today. They also believed in equality. Do you think Martin Luther King, Jr. was reiterating Puritanical beliefs? He was, in fact. Or Teddy Roosevelt and "manifest destiny"? Remember, the Puritans believed in predestination?

Don't even get me started on Puritanical morals... lol.

Puritanical morals are not the basis of OUR society, even if they were the basis of our parent's society. separating church from state does not mean separating ideas from the state. As stated, Pastafarianism is not really a religion, it is making an intellectual point.

Atheism, or any sub-branch of it, is not subject to the same removal from public institutions as religion, because it does not cause the same harm that religion does.

Example: if religion only talked about ideas, even heatedly or debatedly, it would not be banned from public institutions. If it did not force other intellectual groups and ACTUAL FACTS out of the public eye, it would not be banned. atheism doesn't do these, and so opposition to it comes solely from ignorance.

People who try to compare them are equally ignorant. They act differently, one in illegal ways, the other in non-illegal ways.

 

[MrSnugglesworth]

Spagnostic made me laugh so loud.

 

[Sisyphus0]

I'm surprised how many of you had not heard of the church of the flying spaghetti monster. Essentially, it's a satirical 'club' used to point out the absurdity of religion and god. Those of you who think the kid is stupid obviously don't understand that he's making fun of religion, he doesn't actually believe in a flying spaghetti monster.

 

[Sparrow]

That has to be the best religion evar.

Uh...... i think the school did a good thing i mean who the hell goes to school dressed as a pirate?

Oh u.
Did you actually read the link? Or the title? Or.. anything? He dressed as a pirate for his religious beliefs.

Fucking hell. What is it about religious beliefs that means "I can do what I want" nowadays? He came to SCHOOL, a place to LEARN dressed as a PIRATE. And YES, I like CAPITAL LETTERS.

What's not stupid about that? He's obviously going to put off the other students dressed like a complete nob isn't he? He may as well not go to school at all.

As a side note, what's stopping me from forming my own religon and saying "My laws are to kill anyone I want"?

 

[Biek]

The kid's just being a smartass who should get some fcuking sense beaten into him. We can all start making up ridiculous religions and start dressing up as whatever. We wont see the end of it once people start allowing that kind of B.S.

 

[Felated Show Pony]

The kid's just being a smartass who should get some fcuking sense beaten into him. We can all start making up ridiculous religions and start dressing up as whatever. We wont see the end of it once people start allowing that kind of B.S.

what's wrong with dressing how you want? he's not hurting anyone, you're just a controlling knob-head.

 

[Disaster Button]

That has to be the best religion evar.

Uh...... i think the school did a good thing i mean who the hell goes to school dressed as a pirate?

Oh u.
Did you actually read the link? Or the title? Or.. anything? He dressed as a pirate for his religious beliefs.

Fucking hell. What is it about religious beliefs that means "I can do what I want" nowadays? He came to SCHOOL, a place to LEARN dressed as a PIRATE. And YES, I like CAPITAL LETTERS.

What's not stupid about that? He's obviously going to put off the other students dressed like a complete nob isn't he? He may as well not go to school at all.

As a side note, what's stopping me from forming my own religon and saying "My laws are to kill anyone I want"?

Ok in order:

It's not about doing whatever he wants as he desires. It's about upholding his religion. I'm not saying I agree or disagree but thats WHY he did it, which is the question I was answering.

It isn't stupid, it may be silly or out of the ordianary, but it ain't stupid. He might not put students off if they know about his customs prior, nor should it matter if thats how he wants to dress to support his religion. He still went their to learn, not to flaunt his pretty clothes so he should go.

And what's stopping you is that murder is killing someone, not wearing pirate clothes? I think there's a BIT of a difference there mate.

 

[G1eet]

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...Since when did I say I opposed atheism? I said I dislike people who like to vocalize their opinions very loudly as opposed to the people that keep it to themselves. I don't care what your standing is, so long as you use your indoor voice. Having an opinion is fine; I just don't like it when one feels the need to spread their opinion in the most unpleasant ways possible. You could be a Sikh, a SubGenius, a Muslim, an animist.... soup to nuts. I may not agree with what you say, but take it too far and you're liable for reprimandation, as it is with everything else in life.

Hmmm, should moderation should be a religion? I think it's already some sort of philosophy...

Nor did I ever say that atheism should be removed from the public.

 

[Biek]

That has to be the best religion evar.

Uh...... i think the school did a good thing i mean who the hell goes to school dressed as a pirate?

Oh u.
Did you actually read the link? Or the title? Or.. anything? He dressed as a pirate for his religious beliefs.

Fucking hell. What is it about religious beliefs that means "I can do what I want" nowadays? He came to SCHOOL, a place to LEARN dressed as a PIRATE. And YES, I like CAPITAL LETTERS.

What's not stupid about that? He's obviously going to put off the other students dressed like a complete nob isn't he? He may as well not go to school at all.

As a side note, what's stopping me from forming my own religon and saying "My laws are to kill anyone I want"?

Ok in order:

It's not about doing whatever he wants as he desires. It's about upholding his religion. I'm not saying I agree or disagree but thats WHY he did it, which is the question I was answering.

It isn't stupid, it may be silly or out of the ordianary, but it ain't stupid. He might not put students off if they know about his customs prior, nor should it matter if thats how he wants to dress to support his religion. He still went their to learn, not to flaunt his pretty clothes so he should go.

And what's stopping you is that murder is killing someone, not wearing pirate clothes? I think there's a BIT of a difference there mate.

Seriously, I can make up a religion right now and go to work tomorrow dressed as a CLOWN. Then ill most likely get fired. but its good to know I can WHINE about it here and some of you lot will call me a messiah.

Sometimes I hate people.

 

[Disaster Button]

That has to be the best religion evar.

Uh...... i think the school did a good thing i mean who the hell goes to school dressed as a pirate?

Oh u.
Did you actually read the link? Or the title? Or.. anything? He dressed as a pirate for his religious beliefs.

Fucking hell. What is it about religious beliefs that means "I can do what I want" nowadays? He came to SCHOOL, a place to LEARN dressed as a PIRATE. And YES, I like CAPITAL LETTERS.

What's not stupid about that? He's obviously going to put off the other students dressed like a complete nob isn't he? He may as well not go to school at all.

As a side note, what's stopping me from forming my own religon and saying "My laws are to kill anyone I want"?

Ok in order:

It's not about doing whatever he wants as he desires. It's about upholding his religion. I'm not saying I agree or disagree but thats WHY he did it, which is the question I was answering.

It isn't stupid, it may be silly or out of the ordianary, but it ain't stupid. He might not put students off if they know about his customs prior, nor should it matter if thats how he wants to dress to support his religion. He still went their to learn, not to flaunt his pretty clothes so he should go.

And what's stopping you is that murder is killing someone, not wearing pirate clothes? I think there's a BIT of a difference there mate.

Seriously, I can make up a religion right now and go to work tomorrow dressed as a CLOWN. Then ill most likely get fired. but its good to know I can WHINE about it here and some of you lot will call me a messiah.

Sometimes I hate people.

The Clown one probably, little less extreme than killing people. And sadly some people probly would believe you as long as you promised eternal life and that jazz
But at least his has followers even if it is weird..

 

[Biek]

That has to be the best religion evar.

Uh...... i think the school did a good thing i mean who the hell goes to school dressed as a pirate?

Oh u.
Did you actually read the link? Or the title? Or.. anything? He dressed as a pirate for his religious beliefs.

Fucking hell. What is it about religious beliefs that means "I can do what I want" nowadays? He came to SCHOOL, a place to LEARN dressed as a PIRATE. And YES, I like CAPITAL LETTERS.

What's not stupid about that? He's obviously going to put off the other students dressed like a complete nob isn't he? He may as well not go to school at all.

As a side note, what's stopping me from forming my own religon and saying "My laws are to kill anyone I want"?

Ok in order:

It's not about doing whatever he wants as he desires. It's about upholding his religion. I'm not saying I agree or disagree but thats WHY he did it, which is the question I was answering.

It isn't stupid, it may be silly or out of the ordianary, but it ain't stupid. He might not put students off if they know about his customs prior, nor should it matter if thats how he wants to dress to support his religion. He still went their to learn, not to flaunt his pretty clothes so he should go.

And what's stopping you is that murder is killing someone, not wearing pirate clothes? I think there's a BIT of a difference there mate.

Seriously, I can make up a religion right now and go to work tomorrow dressed as a CLOWN. Then ill most likely get fired. but its good to know I can WHINE about it here and some of you lot will call me a messiah.

Sometimes I hate people.

The Clown one probably, little less extreme than killing people. And sadly some people probly would believe you as long as you promised eternal life and that jazz
But at least his has followers even if it is weird..

Why cant you just see that these "pastafarians" are just a bunch of attention whoring atheists who are simply just trying to give Christianity the finger by claiming their "history" (the bible) is a bunch of baloney based on hear-say?

 

[Felated Show Pony]

...Since when did I say I opposed atheism? I said I dislike people who like to vocalize their opinions very loudly as opposed to the people that keep it to themselves. I don't care what your standing is, so long as you use your indoor voice. Having an opinion is fine; I just don't like it when one feels the need to spread their opinion in the most unpleasant ways possible. You could be a Sikh, a SubGenius, a Muslim, an animist.... soup to nuts. I may not agree with what you say, but take it too far and you're liable for reprimandation, as it is with everything else in life.

Hmmm, should moderation should be a religion? I think it's already some sort of philosophy...

Nor did I ever say that atheism should be removed from the public.

But he DIDN'T take it too far. That was my point that YOU missed. he has the right to do something opposed to religion, even if you think that he shouldn't, or that it hurts your ears.

And yes, i can tell you're opposed to atheism, from that Puritan bullshit you pulled out. And which you were dead wrong about. seriously, you must be the most out of touch person in the world to think that our modern culture is not secular, and in many cases atheistic.

 

[Cakes]

How do you define a "real" religion? Why is someone's fervent (and sometimes fanatical) belief in a supreme being license to do things that can be entirely counter to the mainstream accepted culture?

The average religious-type is not "fanatical". Entirely countering mainstream culture? What? Since when does mainstream culture have a problem with religion...? Jews should be allowed to wear those nice hats of theirs, and ditto with Sikhs etc. with turbans. Mainstream culture is pretty tolerant last I checked. Pastafarianism doesn't get the same respect, not being a real religion and all...

FSM advocates being a virtuous person, it has a moral code, what makes it less legitimate than others?

It's a parody religion, for one thing.

 

[Cakes]

But why does that make any difference? They may be older, more traditional, more widely observed,

None of those things have anything to do with it. There are new, tiny religions that are just as legitimate as, say, Islam.

but none of that grants them any greater authority or any greater claim to truth than some guy making stuff about magic pasta. If we have to respect all religious beliefs, despite their absurdity, just because they're a person's religion, then why can't FSM demand that same respect?

Pastafarianism is an obvious parody religion. It was made in protest of the proposition to teach Intelligent Design in Kansas. It has never sought recognition as a legitimate religion in any sort of serious way.

As someone else said in this topic, if they begin to take themselves seriously, then yes, they deserve all the respect given to other mainstream religions. However, they obviously do not take themselves seriously.

Saying you can just draw a line between what's a "real religion" and what's not is the height of arrogance.

I didn't just put an arbitrary line there for shits and giggles: it should be pretty obvious what's legit and what isn't. If it begins to take itself seriously, then yes, it's a real religion.

 

[Felated Show Pony]

Why cant you just see that these "pastafarians" are just a bunch of attention whoring atheists who are simply just trying to give Christianity the finger by claiming their "history" (the bible) is a bunch of baloney based on hear-say?

But it's a good solid point that religion is shit based on hearsay. free spreading of ideas should be allowed, even encouraged in a free society.

as should the wearing of clown suits.

seriously, how fucking stupid do you have to be to think it's wrong to dress up? why is that so objectionable? for that matter, why is making up a religion some great evil? it's fun isn't it? it was for jesus, anyway.