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Riding on Thermals

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popdafoo said:
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How do you define a "real" religion? Why is someone's fervent (and sometimes fanatical) belief in a supreme being license to do things that can be entirely counter to the mainstream accepted culture? FSM advocates being a virtuous person, it has a moral code, what makes it less legitimate than others?
Because it was made as a joke. To make fun of religions like my own.
It wasn't made as a joke. It was made as a hyperbole. It was made to expose the ridiculousness of Intelligent Design being taught as scientific fact in schools, not to mock the entirety of religion. Get your facts straight first, then you can make your argument. What makes your religion "right?"
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
The fact that no one actually believes there is a Flying Spaghetti Monster?

If you find a person who believes there is an entity with a noodley appendage, then it's a real religion, and only for those people. That's the thing about First Amendment protection of your religious beliefs--they actually have to be *beliefs* in the first place.
If one person claims to believe in a god, and another person claims to believe in a flying spaghetti monster, how do you propose to tell whether either of them "actually believe" it or not?

This is the fundamental point, there is no difference between FSM and established religion except for their age and membership numbers.
 

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Riding on Thermals said:
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.....wow. This is kind of stupid. Not that the kid was kicked out of class, but that he was claiming that it was religious bigotry?! I'm sorry, you're all welcome to believe whatever you bloody well want to, but this is just going too far; you're trying to claim that an idea created to mock religion is now a religion?! I don't feel any pity for the kid, who was clearly trying to do it for laughs.

What's next, Pastafarian holidays in school?
Seems like you're not actually okay with people believing whatever they want to...
I actually am okay with people believing whatever they want to. But when you force everyone else to conform to your beliefs, especially when it is strictly as a joke, that's kind of a dick move. This kid trying to make an entire school board suffer because of his whack job beliefs is just retar.....


....................oh, oh my god........I finally understand.........I have been touched by the noodly appendage of wisdom!
 

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irishdelinquent said:
Riding on Thermals said:
irishdelinquent said:
.....wow. This is kind of stupid. Not that the kid was kicked out of class, but that he was claiming that it was religious bigotry?! I'm sorry, you're all welcome to believe whatever you bloody well want to, but this is just going too far; you're trying to claim that an idea created to mock religion is now a religion?! I don't feel any pity for the kid, who was clearly trying to do it for laughs.

What's next, Pastafarian holidays in school?
Seems like you're not actually okay with people believing whatever they want to...
I actually am okay with people believing whatever they want to. But when you force everyone else to conform to your beliefs, especially when it is strictly as a joke, that's kind of a dick move. This kid trying to make an entire school board suffer because of his whack job beliefs is just retar.....


....................oh, oh my god........I finally understand.........I have been touched by the noodly appendage of wisdom!
R'amen
 

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he's a marter for his belives, Because people have always been procuted for there religon.
 

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Skeleon said:
Meh, I hate it when people try to make statements with stupid acts such as this.
Really? So just because his religion seems stupid to you, you automatically assume he is trying to make a statement? PROVE TO ME that there is no invisible spaghetti monster and that gravity is not just said monster holding us down with his noodley appendages and that thats NOT the reason why he has blessed the asian people the most (Seeing as they are much shorter)

Come on. Burden of proof is just as much on you. No proof does not mean no fact. So go on.
 

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That student is a bloody hero. No, screw it, a messiah. I raise a flagon of ale in his honour!

R'amen.
You win the award for greatest pun ever.

If you're allowed to wear a Burkha (spelling), a cross or any other religions clothes/symbols to school, why not this religion? In this crazy world, the School could be sued/put under inspection/etc for this descrimination, regardless of how disruptive the child's clothes may have been.
 

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Eoin Livingston said:
irishdelinquent said:
Riding on Thermals said:
irishdelinquent said:
.....wow. This is kind of stupid. Not that the kid was kicked out of class, but that he was claiming that it was religious bigotry?! I'm sorry, you're all welcome to believe whatever you bloody well want to, but this is just going too far; you're trying to claim that an idea created to mock religion is now a religion?! I don't feel any pity for the kid, who was clearly trying to do it for laughs.

What's next, Pastafarian holidays in school?
Seems like you're not actually okay with people believing whatever they want to...
I actually am okay with people believing whatever they want to. But when you force everyone else to conform to your beliefs, especially when it is strictly as a joke, that's kind of a dick move. This kid trying to make an entire school board suffer because of his whack job beliefs is just retar.....


....................oh, oh my god........I finally understand.........I have been touched by the noodly appendage of wisdom!
R'amen
R'amen
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Riding on Thermals said:
The fact that no one actually believes there is a Flying Spaghetti Monster?

If you find a person who believes there is an entity with a noodley appendage, then it's a real religion, and only for those people. That's the thing about First Amendment protection of your religious beliefs--they actually have to be *beliefs* in the first place.
Now here's an actual argument. The counter being, of course, that you can't prove what people "believe" and what they don't. Now, I personally like the whole concept of FSM because of how it was started and why, but I don't believe in it as a faith. However, you did bring up the First Amendment, so: basically, you can't dictate what someone else believes. That would patently defeat the point of the Amandment
 

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WhiteTiger225 said:
Skeleon said:
Meh, I hate it when people try to make statements with stupid acts such as this.
Really? So just because his religion seems stupid to you, you automatically assume he is trying to make a statement? PROVE TO ME that there is no invisible spaghetti monster and that gravity is not just said monster holding us down with his noodley appendages and that thats NOT the reason why he has blessed the asian people the most (Seeing as they are much shorter)

Come on. Burden of proof is just as much on you. No proof does not mean no fact. So go on.
String theory...Noodle Theory
 

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Riding on Thermals said:
popdafoo said:
Riding on Thermals said:
How do you define a "real" religion? Why is someone's fervent (and sometimes fanatical) belief in a supreme being license to do things that can be entirely counter to the mainstream accepted culture? FSM advocates being a virtuous person, it has a moral code, what makes it less legitimate than others?
Because it was made as a joke. To make fun of religions like my own.
It wasn't made as a joke. It was made as a hyperbole. It was made to expose the ridiculousness of Intelligent Design being taught as scientific fact in schools, not to mock the entirety of religion. Get your facts straight first, then you can make your argument. What makes your religion "right?"
Yeah, this guy would also argue that believing in an invisible man that flies through the sky at night and gives gifts to those that believe in him and do good deeds is a jok- waaaaaaait a minuuute...
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
The fact that no one actually believes there is a Flying Spaghetti Monster?

If you find a person who believes there is an entity with a noodley appendage, then it's a real religion, and only for those people. That's the thing about First Amendment protection of your religious beliefs--they actually have to be *beliefs* in the first place.
You don't think people actually believe in the FSM? A reasonable position, but could you prove it in a court of law? Of course not. Looking at it objectively, most religions are totally absurd. I mean, the Greek gods were nothing but a bunch of inbred jerks with superpowers, and have you seen the eastern religions.

Being stupid doesn't make it not a real religion. If anything, being stupid is what makes it a religion in the first place.
 

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WhiteTiger225 said:
Come on. Burden of proof is just as much on you. No proof does not mean no fact. So go on.
No. He needs to prove to me that he really believes in the FSM.
Read the rest of my posts in this thread and you'll understand what I'm talking about.
 

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I have no place arguing with you people. If you think intelligent design is a bunch of bull, it makes about as much sense as an explosion creating all life as we know it.

Riding on Thermals said:
It wasn't made as a joke. It was made as a hyperbole. It was made to expose the ridiculousness of Intelligent Design being taught as scientific fact in schools, not to mock the entirety of religion. Get your facts straight first, then you can make your argument. What makes your religion "right?"
"The Flying Spaghetti Monster (or FSM) is the deity of the parody religion"

"Parody - a literary or musical work in which the style of an author or work is closely imitated for comic effect or in ridicule"

I can't just straight make up a religion as a joke and then try to pass it off as something that I genuinely believe.
 

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popdafoo said:
Because it was made as a joke. To make fun of religions like my own.
However, seeing as the FSM is as likely, if not more likely, than your "god" or "Gods," that seems more than a bit hypocritical.
 

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Welcome to America, if it's not christian, jewish, or muslim it's not protected religion.
 

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Skeleon said:
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Come on. Burden of proof is just as much on you. No proof does not mean no fact. So go on.
No. He needs to prove to me that he really believes in the FSM.
Read the rest of my posts in this thread and you'll understand what I'm talking about.
Prove to me he doesn't. Again, you claim no proof, you do not claim actual factual evidence against his case. And why can't he believe it? It's okay for someone to wear a cross that represents a invisible bearded man who lives in a cloud, punishes those who go against his orders that he had a man write down for him and so forth? Same concept goes to muslim religion. They should be suspended for wearing headwear during class.