Child suspended for his religious beliefs
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Nope quite realfreakonaleash said:
You clearly haven't read some of the other postspopdafoo said:
A lot of people seem to be missing the point. FSM, in all its forms, is intended to take various demands made by religious people, and turn them up to 11 from under the banner of an obviously false religion, so as to demonstrate the inherent absurdity of giving in to those religious demands.
Evangelical Christians want creationism given equal time in schools? FSM want their creation ideas to have equal time too. If it's ridiculous to have FSM taught then it's just as ridiculous to have Christian ideas taught.
Religions that prescribe a way of dressing want that dress code to be observed in school? FSM make full pirate regalia their religious dress and demand respect for that too. Again, if it's ridiculous for pirate regalia to be allowed, then it's no less ridiculous for any other religious dress to be allowed.
That's the essence of it, whether it was appropriate or necessary for this particular kid to make the point is another question... if other students were allowed to come to school in a burqa without being challenged then I'd say it was entirely appropriate. If everyone else was just dressed normally and he strolled in as a pirate... well then I have more sympathy with the school's position.
Evangelical Christians want creationism given equal time in schools? FSM want their creation ideas to have equal time too. If it's ridiculous to have FSM taught then it's just as ridiculous to have Christian ideas taught.
Religions that prescribe a way of dressing want that dress code to be observed in school? FSM make full pirate regalia their religious dress and demand respect for that too. Again, if it's ridiculous for pirate regalia to be allowed, then it's no less ridiculous for any other religious dress to be allowed.
That's the essence of it, whether it was appropriate or necessary for this particular kid to make the point is another question... if other students were allowed to come to school in a burqa without being challenged then I'd say it was entirely appropriate. If everyone else was just dressed normally and he strolled in as a pirate... well then I have more sympathy with the school's position.
And the joke religion designed to criticize intelligent design strikes again. Well, In school students have their rights to freedom of speech and religion pretty much forfeited. The school and legally suspend him if he is causing a disruption, even for a religious reason. The only way to change this is to protest and I can't see a large enough group caring enough to get together and cause a change.
How do you define a "real" religion? Why is someone's fervent (and sometimes fanatical) belief in a supreme being license to do things that can be entirely counter to the mainstream accepted culture? FSM advocates being a virtuous person, it has a moral code, what makes it less legitimate than others?Cakes said:
.....wow. This is kind of stupid. Not that the kid was kicked out of class, but that he was claiming that it was religious bigotry?! I'm sorry, you're all welcome to believe whatever you bloody well want to, but this is just going too far; you're trying to claim that an idea created to mock religion is now a religion?! I don't feel any pity for the kid, who was clearly trying to do it for laughs.
What's next, Pastafarian holidays in school?
What's next, Pastafarian holidays in school?
But why does that make any difference? They may be older, more traditional, more widely observed, but none of that grants them any greater authority or any greater claim to truth than some guy making stuff about magic pasta. If we have to respect all religious beliefs, despite their absurdity, just because they're a person's religion, then why can't FSM demand that same respect?Cakes said:
Saying you can just draw a line between what's a "real religion" and what's not is the height of arrogance. I know that FSM is obviously, demonstrably absurd, but so is every other religion. Why does only one set of ridiculous beliefs get respected and pandered to?
In fact if this fella started the religion say 2000 years ago then he would in fact be a supporter of a 'valid' religion. I could 'carbon date' the ancient scrolls set forth by the FSM and say that is my proof.Riding on Thermals said:
For the record it isn't 'anti-theist' to play the devil's advocate. It is just you religious folk can't take any form of questioning but still find it okay to force your beliefs onto us via preachers, missionaries and immunity from the law.
I think this is stupid...it's not a damn religion it's just a bunch of douchebags seeing how far they can push the envelope. It was certainly disruptive to the other students in the class and if the parents really have such a problem with the system they should homeschool.
Seems like you're not actually okay with people believing whatever they want to...irishdelinquent said:
Okay, everyone, the game's up. No one actually believes Pastafarianism, it's just a joke. Let me repeat that:
[HEADING=1]A Joke[/HEADING]
Sure, the kid shouldn't have been suspended for wearing the pirate suit, but then again, he shouldn't have been wearing it in the first place. Calling it a religious belief is like saying Scientology makes a remote amount of sense. It's just wrong.
[HEADING=1]A Joke[/HEADING]
Sure, the kid shouldn't have been suspended for wearing the pirate suit, but then again, he shouldn't have been wearing it in the first place. Calling it a religious belief is like saying Scientology makes a remote amount of sense. It's just wrong.
Oh, I see, it's wrong because it mocks you?popdafoo said:
As far as I'm concerned, your religion (I don't even care which one, this will apply no matter which religion you belong to) makes a mockery of reality, and that offends me about as much as it offends you to have people make fun of your religion. It teaches things that are patently absurd as if they are absolute truth, and then asks the rest of us to nod along.
The most critical we're expected to be is essentially "I don't agree, but I respect your position", well enough of that. All viewpoints are not inherently equal and I don't respect the teachings of your religion any more than either of us respect the teachings of FSM.