China riots, island tensions and the UN -updated

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In the next half century China' military capabilities will likely equal or surpass the US. This, coupled with resource diminuation (we're expected to reach peak oil in a couple of years) will make war worthwhile for the side who wins (and given the proximity of China to the islands, the strenght of China's manufacturing sector, and the overall global weakening of America's position in the world, means China has a good chance to win).

You can't win a war where both sides have nukes.

China can't do shit with it's large army, if they got to war, we all die. You, and you, and you, and you, and me. And them, too.

Why do you people assume that a small war over a handful of islands that may or may not contain some amount of oil would lead to total war with a shit ton of nukes? That's preposteros thinking.

So far, we didn't have any wars directly between two nuclear powers. Probably there is a rason for that.

A war by proxy wouldn't work here, since Japan doesn't even [/i]have[/i] an army, so it would necessarily end up with Chinese soldiers and American soldiers murdering each other, after which one side would have to back down while still having weapons at their hand.

The USA ridiculously overpowers China on the sea, so unless they want to admit that they lost the war a few days after staring it, China would have to start throwing rockets at them, and the USA would need to bomb the military sites where they are launcing, at which point, congratulations, you just started a war in mainland Asia.

 

[Nikolaz72]

Europe is probably going to collapse economically.....

Shows how much you know about global politics, your knowledge ammounts to null.

Everytime someone informs one of you how much this is an untruth, you ignore it. Leave the thread, learn nothing. And come back in another thread saying the same thing once again.

But Hey, I'll play ball.

(Riots all Across middle east)

Not in the countries that are doing fine.

(Riots in Australia)

I think you are exaggerating this a bit...

(Riots in China)

Honestly, I think like in the midle-east this is the opposition trying to make the goverment look weak through setups, but you wouldnt know anything about such things.

(The Total Collapse of Europe)

*snickers*. . . Usually I would think this was a joke, but comming from you it likely isnt. Only a couple of European countries economy is in the shitter, and they are still doing better than the US. If they ever defaulted 'which they wont' it would only affect the Euro, not the Europe. Europe and Euro is two different things, also Europe isnt a country. Also not all of Europe is in the EU. Also, EU is not gonna collapse. Also, stop talking about things you know abselutely nothing about. It was from people talking about something they had zero knowledge of that you got false knowledge that you then proceeded to constantly spread, EVERYWHERE.

(China is Invading Japan)

Someone bought a broken timemachine that travels into alternate Dimensions.. Might explain your words on just about everything else.

(Obama is gonna get elected for a second term!)

Oh... Ehm, why the fck did I even bother using some seconds of my life typing this.

China is not the next big bad. They are a very old and well-established big bad.

*Face palm* Is there really such a thing as "good country" and "bad country".

What about the UK? We spread our Empire across the entire world, killing hundreds of thousands, stealing land and priceless relics, raping and pillaging and then establishing our way of life and governmental systems onto lands and populations that already had their own.

The UK is also very old and well-established at being a "big bad"

What about USA? They are a country founded on wiping out an indigenous race. A country founded by the ruling elite rebelling tp protect their assets from England's taxes. A country founded on civil war. A country that war-mongers to this day.

The US of A is a very new country and is also well-established at being a "big bad"

I am not forcing an opinion, in all honesty I am particularly bias towards China, because I love it here and I would like to represent a side to China that is not portrayed on Fox news. I just like to point out how things are not just shades of black and white (good and bad).

A final thought. Is China the villian in this event, in regards to the islands? China made offer to share the islands with Japan, to help end the dispute. Japan refused. I think China's approach here, is not a good example of what can be considered a "big bad"

/facepalm

I do not see the japanese calling for the extermination of China. And hey, America lost many lives to the Japanese AND the Germans, we do not hold any hostility towards either country (and we fought Germany twice). Hell, we do not hold any animosity towards the UK whom we fought for our independence.

Also, the native americans were mostly wiped out via diseases before anyone really understood diseases, try again. Now the chiefs are rich as hell due to them using their reservations for gambling and lowering the price of normally taxed goods and are making a killing.

I am sorry, but these protests are significantly WORSE than the protests going on in the middle east, and i say this as a citizen of the country being mostly targeted by those islamic protests.

It takes quite a bit of effort to make a group look worse than islamic extremists, but by George China has accomplished it in these protests. And yes, "face" is stupid. Hell Europeans/Americans were just as guilty of it a few centuries ago, but we have changed. Look at the Revolutionary war, soldiers lining up in rows stoicly standing still so the other side can shoot them. We look back on that style of warfare now and think "what the hell were they thinking?"

This level of hate from an event so long ago is stupid, period. I could understand a bit of sabre rattling, or a resurgence of national pride, but these protests cross WAY over the line.

US doesnt even hate muslims as much as the chinese are hating the japanese, and we were attacked (and are regularly attacked) recently and the extremists are still a threat to us, Japan is no longer a threat to China in any way whatsoever.

Japan didnt invade the US taking over 1/4th their soil and all of Canada/Mexico (Equal to Korea and Manchu, Khmer) killing 20-40Million of your civilians. And then started denying it ever happened.

The US killed a couple hundred thousand and their students gets taught about the nuclear bomb.

Japan killed twodigit millions of Chineese, their schools are acting like it never happened.

See the difference? I think not. If you did you wouldnt have written such rabble.

I like Japan, but Japan LITERALLY has a holiday celebrating an event where 400.000 Chineese civilians got massacred by Japaneese soldiers. Do you think the US would have accepted that? A country killing twodigit million of their civilians then taking over a huge part of their land ruining shit before leaving and 'then' Celebrating the massacre of US citizens while acting like it wasnt a bad thing and not teaching their students about it.

I like Japan, but you are naive if you think that China has nothing to complain about.

Actually, to turn it around.

It would be like the Americans celebrating Hiroshima day. Would be 'pretty' offensive to the Japaneese. And when the Japaneese started complaining about it the US would feign ignorance and claim it is a day to celebrate winning WW2 and the bravery of the soldiers that dropped the bomb, not the death of the hundreds of thousands of civilians and the aftermatch of a nuclear waste disaster.

China has 10.000 times more of a good reason to hate Japaneese, as the Americans had to dislike radical muslims.

 

[Zyst]

Just to bring some more information about the OT:

As far as I understand in a summarized version:

China lost the islands 100 years ago or so to Japan.
It was given to the US who later on returned it to Japan.
Japan sold it as private islands to Japanese people.
Then they bought it back.

At this point China got really angry.


Anyhow, I want to make clear that no matter the reason territory that has been lost in wars and have treaties belong to the other side, I live in Mexico, over half of our country was 'lost' in treaties with the US and I don't complain about it, I think it's fair, there was a war and we lost. That's it.

However, all the shit and riots China has been promoting over TV are just downright wrong, I've been following this incident through Sankaku Complex (Extremely NSFW) but here are some images and links to some of the stories:

Some Japanese stores have been looted, and in the riot some have taken advantage of the situation to downright rob not even Japanese stores:

They've also attacked people and cars that are made in Japan (Mind you, vehicles that BELONG TO CHINESE CITIZENS) that's right, they are fucking over their own citizens going as far as attacking police vehicles:

Not infrequently it has been Chinese who have been the ultimate victims of the protests ? the reaction of one patriotic Chinese lady upon seeing that the mob she had joined had just destroyed her Japanese car has become a classic:

Going to the ridiculously far:

The case of a Chinese man who faces permanent paralysis after being dragged out of his car and brutally beaten by a mob who were infuriated by the fact he was driving a Japanese-made car has scandalised many Chinese, who are apparently starting to question the patriotic nature of such acts.

Seriously... when does too much become too much? When you would CRIPPLE for life a fellow citizen for driving a car?

I'm going to stop here because my post is resource intensive as it is.

Say what you want China, we know you are pissed off but your reaction is completely overblown and stupid, you are harming your own citizens in the process, the Chinese Foreign Minister (source: http://www.chunichi.co.jp/s/article/2012091701001789.html) has even had the gall to ask Japan for compensation of their Riots, what. the. fuck?

Overall, say what you want about Japan but you don't see them Rioting and breaking everything Chinese in sight, I'd love to ask some of these people to show some fucking restraint and their Government to stop spurring them on: China, you're a grown up country now, because you throw a tantrum every time things don't go your way doesn't mean you'll be given what you want.

Sources for the information (that have more sources within, a lot more pictures and better writing than mine, sorry for the long post)

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2012/08/28/japanese-ambassador-attacked-in-china/
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2012/09/14/chinese-attacks-on-japanese-mount/
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2012/09/16/chinese-hate-for-japan-burns-at-fever-pitch/
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2012/09/17/chinese-mobs-cripple-man-for-driving-japanese-car/
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2012/09/18/chinese-mobs-attack-italian-embassys-toyota/

The sources go even further back but that's about how much I felt like digging, if you do visit the site please do take in mind it's extremely NSFW.

 

[Jegsimmons]

Europe is probably going to collapse economically.....

Shows how much you know about global politics, your knowledge ammounts to null.

Everytime someone informs one of you how much this is an untruth, you ignore it. Leave the thread, learn nothing. And come back in another thread saying the same thing once again.

But Hey, I'll play ball.

(Riots all Across middle east)

Not in the countries that are doing fine.

(Riots in Australia)

I think you are exaggerating this a bit...

(Riots in China)

Honestly, I think like in the midle-east this is the opposition trying to make the goverment look weak through setups, but you wouldnt know anything about such things.

(The Total Collapse of Europe)

*snickers*. . . Usually I would think this was a joke, but comming from you it likely isnt. Only a couple of European countries economy is in the shitter, and they are still doing better than the US. If they ever defaulted 'which they wont' it would only affect the Euro, not the Europe. Europe and Euro is two different things, also Europe isnt a country. Also not all of Europe is in the EU. Also, EU is not gonna collapse. Also, stop talking about things you know abselutely nothing about. It was from people talking about something they had zero knowledge of that you got false knowledge that you then proceeded to constantly spread, EVERYWHERE.

(China is Invading Japan)

Someone bought a broken timemachine that travels into alternate Dimensions.. Might explain your words on just about everything else.

(Obama is gonna get elected for a second term!)

Oh... Ehm, why the fck did I even bother using some seconds of my life typing this.

China is not the next big bad. They are a very old and well-established big bad.

*Face palm* Is there really such a thing as "good country" and "bad country".

What about the UK? We spread our Empire across the entire world, killing hundreds of thousands, stealing land and priceless relics, raping and pillaging and then establishing our way of life and governmental systems onto lands and populations that already had their own.

The UK is also very old and well-established at being a "big bad"

What about USA? They are a country founded on wiping out an indigenous race. A country founded by the ruling elite rebelling tp protect their assets from England's taxes. A country founded on civil war. A country that war-mongers to this day.

The US of A is a very new country and is also well-established at being a "big bad"

I am not forcing an opinion, in all honesty I am particularly bias towards China, because I love it here and I would like to represent a side to China that is not portrayed on Fox news. I just like to point out how things are not just shades of black and white (good and bad).

A final thought. Is China the villian in this event, in regards to the islands? China made offer to share the islands with Japan, to help end the dispute. Japan refused. I think China's approach here, is not a good example of what can be considered a "big bad"

/facepalm

I do not see the japanese calling for the extermination of China. And hey, America lost many lives to the Japanese AND the Germans, we do not hold any hostility towards either country (and we fought Germany twice). Hell, we do not hold any animosity towards the UK whom we fought for our independence.

Also, the native americans were mostly wiped out via diseases before anyone really understood diseases, try again. Now the chiefs are rich as hell due to them using their reservations for gambling and lowering the price of normally taxed goods and are making a killing.

I am sorry, but these protests are significantly WORSE than the protests going on in the middle east, and i say this as a citizen of the country being mostly targeted by those islamic protests.

It takes quite a bit of effort to make a group look worse than islamic extremists, but by George China has accomplished it in these protests. And yes, "face" is stupid. Hell Europeans/Americans were just as guilty of it a few centuries ago, but we have changed. Look at the Revolutionary war, soldiers lining up in rows stoicly standing still so the other side can shoot them. We look back on that style of warfare now and think "what the hell were they thinking?"

This level of hate from an event so long ago is stupid, period. I could understand a bit of sabre rattling, or a resurgence of national pride, but these protests cross WAY over the line.

US doesnt even hate muslims as much as the chinese are hating the japanese, and we were attacked (and are regularly attacked) recently and the extremists are still a threat to us, Japan is no longer a threat to China in any way whatsoever.

Japan didnt invade the US taking over 1/4th their soil and all of Canada/Mexico (Equal to Korea and Manchu, Khmer) killing 20-40Million of your civilians. And then started denying it ever happened.

The US killed a couple hundred thousand and their students gets taught about the nuclear bomb.

Japan killed twodigit millions of Chineese, their schools are acting like it never happened.

See the difference? I think not. If you did you wouldnt have written such rabble.

I like Japan, but Japan LITERALLY has a holiday celebrating an event where 400.000 Chineese civilians got massacred by Japaneese soldiers. Do you think the US would have accepted that? A country killing twodigit million of their civilians then taking over a huge part of their land ruining shit before leaving and 'then' Celebrating the massacre of US citizens while acting like it wasnt a bad thing and not teaching their students about it.

I like Japan, but you are naive if you think that China has nothing to complain about.

Actually, to turn it around.

It would be like the Americans celebrating Hiroshima day. Would be 'pretty' offensive to the Japaneese. And when the Japaneese started complaining about it the US would feign ignorance and claim it is a day to celebrate winning WW2 and the bravery of the soldiers that dropped the bomb, not the death of the hundreds of thousands of civilians and the aftermatch of a nuclear waste disaster.

China has 10.000 times more of a good reason to hate Japaneese, as the Americans had to dislike radical muslims.

So do you guys not understand a joke? or does everyone in this thread just enjoy being a tight ass that i could clip a cigar with?

 

[Radelaide]

Every time these riots come up, this is what I think of.

 

[Evil Smurf]

and this is why Wil Wheaton was right when he said: "don't be a dick". Stop being dicks world.

 

[TheIronRuler]

they aren't "imperialist" at all.

seriously there's been thousands of years of Chinese history so it should be pretty damn easy for you to pull out a lengthy list of countries supposedly "imperialist" China has attacked or annexed or whatever during that time right ?

on you go.

do it.

stuck ?

ye actually there are only about 2 possible candidates that you could even dubiously claim and that's in over 2000 years of continuous history as unified state. -.-

what China does do is work on the basis of old maps created long before western and regional powers such as Japan forced the map of their country to change due to their own "imperialism".

China basically doesn't have an "imperialist" or "expansionist" aims and if you believe otherwise you really don't understand China or the Chinese.

simplistically all they care about is China and unifying the mostly small parts that have been hacked off it during "The century of humiliation" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_of_humiliation ) due to outside imperialism conducted against them.

.
...These were port-cities held by the world's trading giant empires and as much as I'm aware of it they've all returned to China. If you have the balls to revert the peking treaty, I would do that next, because I am not sure if China can claim Taiwan here. Y'Know, a communist reunification cannot claim dynastic lands. The insanely large amount of different nationalities under the Communist China banner only serves to prove that like Indonesia, they had been given the right to grow like a fat pig, wailing on smaller nations as the west watched because they were sympathetic for them... or because big uncle USSR helped a lot. Dynastic china right now have no bloody ties to nationalism, and only a push from the communist states brought some unity to the region as it tried to united all of these people under one nation.
Today's china doesn't have any right to much of the land it took the same way Spain doesn't have the rights for the Nederlands& Belgium and Naples*Sicily.

 

[Korolev]

The Chinese government will get this under control soon enough. They had similar outbreaks in 2005 and 2010 of "anti-japan" sentiment. While there are more than a few Chinese people who dislike or even hate Japan, most don't. These riots are partially organized by communist party officials and nationalistic chest-beaters, neither of whom represent the majority of Chinese people. The Chinese people in my class completely disagree with these protests.

China's trade with Japan is worth hundreds of billions of dollars every single year - that is worth more than some useless, virtually uninhabitable islands and a relatively small oceanic gas field.

Nothing will come of this - if the Chinese Government really hated the Japanese and wanted to fight, why is the government providing protection to Japanese civilians and embassy staff? These riots are just a scare tactic, nothing more.

The very SECOND the government doesn't want these protests anymore, they'll IMMEDIATELY stop. The protests are only going ahead because the communist party is letting them, because they think that they serve a useful function in intimidating Japan. It's nonsense of course. While Japan could never invade China, China also is unlikely to be able to invade Japan due to its woefully inadequate navy. They could nuke Japan, but that would plunge China into complete global isolation.

No war is going to happen. The Chinese Government is staffed with engineers and technicians and chemists. They aren't going to start a nuclear war over a few crappy islands.

 

[JeffBergGold]

Just to bring some more information about the OT:

As far as I understand in a summarized version:

China lost the islands 100 years ago or so to Japan.
It was given to the US who later on returned it to Japan.
Japan sold it as private islands to Japanese people.
Then they bought it back.

At this point China got really angry.


Anyhow, I want to make clear that no matter the reason territory that has been lost in wars and have treaties belong to the other side, I live in Mexico, over half of our country was 'lost' in treaties with the US and I don't complain about it, I think it's fair, there was a war and we lost. That's it.

However, all the shit and riots China has been promoting over TV are just downright wrong, I've been following this incident through Sankaku Complex (Extremely NSFW) but here are some images and links to some of the stories:

Some Japanese stores have been looted, and in the riot some have taken advantage of the situation to downright rob not even Japanese stores:

They've also attacked people and cars that are made in Japan (Mind you, vehicles that BELONG TO CHINESE CITIZENS) that's right, they are fucking over their own citizens going as far as attacking police vehicles:

Not infrequently it has been Chinese who have been the ultimate victims of the protests ? the reaction of one patriotic Chinese lady upon seeing that the mob she had joined had just destroyed her Japanese car has become a classic:

Going to the ridiculously far:

The case of a Chinese man who faces permanent paralysis after being dragged out of his car and brutally beaten by a mob who were infuriated by the fact he was driving a Japanese-made car has scandalised many Chinese, who are apparently starting to question the patriotic nature of such acts.

Seriously... when does too much become too much? When you would CRIPPLE for life a fellow citizen for driving a car?

I'm going to stop here because my post is resource intensive as it is.

Say what you want China, we know you are pissed off but your reaction is completely overblown and stupid, you are harming your own citizens in the process, the Chinese Foreign Minister (source: http://www.chunichi.co.jp/s/article/2012091701001789.html) has even had the gall to ask Japan for compensation of their Riots, what. the. fuck?

Overall, say what you want about Japan but you don't see them Rioting and breaking everything Chinese in sight, I'd love to ask some of these people to show some fucking restraint and their Government to stop spurring them on: China, you're a grown up country now, because you throw a tantrum every time things don't go your way doesn't mean you'll be given what you want.

Sources for the information (that have more sources within, a lot more pictures and better writing than mine, sorry for the long post)

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2012/08/28/japanese-ambassador-attacked-in-china/
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2012/09/14/chinese-attacks-on-japanese-mount/
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2012/09/16/chinese-hate-for-japan-burns-at-fever-pitch/
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2012/09/17/chinese-mobs-cripple-man-for-driving-japanese-car/
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2012/09/18/chinese-mobs-attack-italian-embassys-toyota/

The sources go even further back but that's about how much I felt like digging, if you do visit the site please do take in mind it's extremely NSFW.

"Dang look at dem savages robbin and lootin!"

On a more serious note If China decides to steamroll Japan I doubt the U.S. would declare war on them. They will probably put up some half ass defense and then pull out. China is looking strong and lethal. Japan should not take this lightly.

 

[Zyst]

snip

"Dang look at dem savages robbin and lootin!"

On a more serious note If China decides to steamroll Japan I doubt the U.S. would declare war on them. They will probably put up some half ass defense and then pull out. China is looking strong and lethal. Japan should not take this lightly.

It's profitable for the US to declare War on China, leaving aside the fact that they are forced to through the treaty the debt of the US towards China (Which I think is 10% of the total US Debt?) if the country is at war besides the obvious fact that the debt stops being paid in case they win they can establish treaties to their benefit. Namely a no-arms and no-conflict one, China in a couple of decades will probably get a military strong enough to beat the shit out of the US, it sounds crappy but they do have a LOT of people, currently? The US could probably win, later on it's uncertain. Although the US is highly dependent on imports from China (and who isn't?) it still wouldn't be the worst thing.

And again, they have a treaty with Japan that pretty much says "You guys can only have a limited army and can NOT declare war upon a country, if you guys get into a war against your will then we will intervene in your favor" (Something along those lines, wiki it up if you want more info.)

But that's how it is.

 

[Krois]

Not to incur the wrath of this thread but I think all riots are the same - blown way out of proportion at best. That riot in London about the police shooting a kid not long ago had random robbing and vandalism too which had nothing to do with the goal of the protest itself, people just took advantage of it.

Although I'm Chinese, I hardly cares about the history of what which country done to another over what back in the days. I respect the fact it is actual history that those pointless massacre and war deaths occurred but are we suppose to carry those kind of hating passion all the way through the future as if it's part of us?

This whole island business seems silly to me to begin with. It's like argument on the internet on a bigger scale to prove who got bigger epeen.

 

[AverageExtraordinair]

snip

"Dang look at dem savages robbin and lootin!"

On a more serious note If China decides to steamroll Japan I doubt the U.S. would declare war on them. They will probably put up some half ass defense and then pull out. China is looking strong and lethal. Japan should not take this lightly.

It's profitable for the US to declare War on China, leaving aside the fact that they are forced to through the treaty the debt of the US towards China (Which I think is 10% of the total US Debt?) if the country is at war besides the obvious fact that the debt stops being paid in case they win they can establish treaties to their benefit. Namely a no-arms and no-conflict one, China in a couple of decades will probably get a military strong enough to beat the shit out of the US, it sounds crappy but they do have a LOT of people, currently? The US could probably win, later on it's uncertain. Although the US is highly dependent on imports from China (and who isn't?) it still wouldn't be the worst thing.

And again, they have a treaty with Japan that pretty much says "You guys can only have a limited army and can NOT declare war upon a country, if you guys get into a war against your will then we will intervene in your favor" (Something along those lines, wiki it up if you want more info.)

But that's how it is.

If China started shit with Japan and the US got involved via the defensive treaty then what would the allies of the United states do in that situation.

 

[Zyst]

snip

"Dang look at dem savages robbin and lootin!"

On a more serious note If China decides to steamroll Japan I doubt the U.S. would declare war on them. They will probably put up some half ass defense and then pull out. China is looking strong and lethal. Japan should not take this lightly.

It's profitable for the US to declare War on China, leaving aside the fact that they are forced to through the treaty the debt of the US towards China (Which I think is 10% of the total US Debt?) if the country is at war besides the obvious fact that the debt stops being paid in case they win they can establish treaties to their benefit. Namely a no-arms and no-conflict one, China in a couple of decades will probably get a military strong enough to beat the shit out of the US, it sounds crappy but they do have a LOT of people, currently? The US could probably win, later on it's uncertain. Although the US is highly dependent on imports from China (and who isn't?) it still wouldn't be the worst thing.

And again, they have a treaty with Japan that pretty much says "You guys can only have a limited army and can NOT declare war upon a country, if you guys get into a war against your will then we will intervene in your favor" (Something along those lines, wiki it up if you want more info.)

But that's how it is.

If China started shit with Japan and the US got involved via the defensive treaty then what would the allies of the United states do in that situation.

Absolutely nothing unless they have a treaty saying that if one nation goes to war the other party must also go to war. Called Treaty of Mutual Assistance I believe, but I'm not 100% sure.

Unless you didn't mean that as a question, then I didn't really understand your statement

 

[Tomeran]

This is madness. MADNESS!

I didnt follow these riots too thoroughly in the news because I thought they were relativly minor(Anti-japan protests and such arent a new phenomenon in China), but 85 cities?!

Think about that: Many countries dont even have 85 cities!

This is what hyper-nationalism does to people, and why I continue to argue that nationalism should just die off, and that we gradually start erasing national borders(like in the EU, but less clumsy and more competent-like).



I sure hope this does not escalate further, there is enough tension in the region as it is. Its a bit of a powderkeg, and if China actually takes offensive action against Japan, its going to blow. Imagine a fully armed conflict in asia, with -China-, and both Japan, the phillipines and Taiwan involved? Its hard to do that without the US stepping in. And from there its anyone's guess where it goes.

WTB ride off the planet.

 

[Nieroshai]

they aren't "imperialist" at all.

seriously there's been thousands of years of Chinese history so it should be pretty damn easy for you to pull out a lengthy list of countries supposedly "imperialist" China has attacked or annexed or whatever during that time right ?

on you go.

do it.

stuck ?

ye actually there are only about 2 possible candidates that you could even dubiously claim and that's in over 2000 years of continuous history as unified state. -.-

what China does do is work on the basis of old maps created long before western and regional powers such as Japan forced the map of their country to change due to their own "imperialism".

China basically doesn't have an "imperialist" or "expansionist" aims and if you believe otherwise you really don't understand China or the Chinese.

simplistically all they care about is China and unifying the mostly small parts that have been hacked off it during "The century of humiliation" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_of_humiliation ) due to outside imperialism conducted against them.

Nepal. But go on.

 

[ChaplainOrion]

I would hate this all to turn into WWIII, not because of the death, violence, etc but because it will just sound so goddamn stupid. The Middle East erupted over a movie, Asia fought over some useless rocks and water, and America was all like "shit" and had to go fight in both places, dragging the rest of the world in because of diplomacy and such.

 

[SajuukKhar]

I find it sad that in a an age were people can make large hydron super particle collides, and other feats of science, we have yet to evolve past the barbaric nature of our caveman ancestors.

Even after thousands of years of evolution, our so called civilization is nothing really more then a facade was put up, but at even the slightest provocation we end up breaking down to our most base personality.

 

[AverageExtraordinair]

I find it sad that in a an age were people can make large hydron super particle collides, and other feats of science, we have yet to evolve past the barbaric nature of our caveman ancestors.

Even after thousands of years of evolution, our so called civilization is nothing really more then a facade was put up, but at even the slightest provocation we end up breaking down to our most base personality.

bingo, I have been saying this for years. Its never going to change either because its our nature. The advancement of our species has brought about many advances and change the way we live radically no mount of technology will change what we are at the core.

 

[Chrinik]

What is it with Asian countries and hating each other so much? They're getting to be almost as bad as differing religious sects that will murder each other at the drop of a hat.

The Japanese invaded China in 1937 and was in constant conflict until 1945. During the invasion and occupation anything up to 4 million Chinese died, including single incidents like the Nanking Massacre where 200-400,000 died. The Japanese are as about as popular in China as the Germans are in Israel for rather similar reasons.

The German-Israel relationship is rather good, thank you very much, and I could drive my german car through Tel Aviv without it getting fucked up by radical jews that get discounts if they yell "FUCK ALL THE NAZIS!"

On the Topic itself, holy smokes. China is kinda a crazy country. If they think they own something, they make sure everybody does...they scream like a child until the other one gives in because they are annoyed enough.

But serriously, 10/1 those "Japanese Stores" where owned by Chinese...I don´t see Toyota salesman here that are japanese, they tend to be german...