This is sickening. I'm more bothered with those who ran her over. Bloody Asian drivers. That truck ran over her, then reversed over her, then ran over her again, leaving a trail of blood on his tires. Then a second car came along and couldn't be stuffed to move, so ran her over too. Those passerby's at least walked past her, not over her. Imagine the agony of her.
Chinese girl crushed, 18 people don't care
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I think my example conveyed my point just fine, but ok, come up with something different if you'd like. Anyway, the herd mentality does exist for a reason: it does sometimes save people. The problem is, today it kills/hurts more than it saves. It's a holdover from when it was a necessity in order to protect from killer animals, harsh environments, and, later, tribes and other attacking human groups.Veylon said:
On the video it says ignore, it never said they don't care. And besides, it's not their duty to do anything, if something goes wrong, lawsuit. And who wants that! I would have done exactly the same.
China or not, this kind of thing shouldn't have to happen. Anywhere. Goddamn the "Observer Effect"...
Wait, Grandpa! Take me with you!Cheshire the Cat said:
Seriously, old ass news and I love how you declare that humanity has sunk to a new low over this.
Yeah, forget the raping and killing that goes on every day, forget wars, ethnic cleansing and the fact that we let millions starve to death in 3rd world countries.
This, 18 people either not seeing or not caring about a wounded kid is surely the worst thing humanity has ever done! And I am sure that if you saw it you would ignore the bystander effect and act differently right? Right?
You kids and your silly "losing faith in humanity" fad.
Besides, as was stated in the other threads, one dude did in fact run off to try to find a phone because believe it or not, not everyone has a cell.
But seriously, this is old. Very old.
I'm going to point one thing out on the video that you posted. That kid is a thief and was caught shoplifting, and not for the first time at that.viranimus said:
OT: And I should care why? Okay so some random kid happens to get mortally injured on video and internet goes into an uproar, but think of all the kids that have suffered worse fates with people giving less shits just because it wasn't video taped.
You can cry all you want for that little girl, but by doing that you are effectively ignoring all the other bad stuff that is going that we could just as well cry over[footnote]Well you can cry over them, I don't give a fuck about 'em.[/footnote].
I like to go with the term "monkey sphere."DasDestroyer said:
Yes, it's tragic, but this is how people are. It's called something-or-other, and basically the more people there are around the less likely someone in the girl's situation is to get help.
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In the words of stalin: "The death of one is a tragedy, the deaths of millions are a statistic"RanD00M said:
Im not going to be yold its wrong to care about a single situation just because others have it worse. Im not going to say youre a bad person for not caring but saying we are ignoring everything else bad in the world just because we are sad over the cruel murder of a small girl where 18 people could have easily saved her life is just incorrect. Im affected by the fact people are dying in africa. Im affected by the fact people are being tortured in north korea. How sad? Not very, sadness does fuck all, am i angry about it? Damn right i am, and if able ill do anything to prevent these horrible things from happening, ill give to charity, ill donate blood and my organs apon death and ill devote my life to becoming a goddam medical researcher. There. I give a fuck. Im not crying. Im doing some shit. You are the opposite end of an equally useless spectrum. Cryers and non caring assholes. People doing equally unhelpfull stuff, at least the cryers have the moral senseabilities to see something is wrong. Im angry this little girl was treated in such a way. I give a fuck about the society we raise in which this is acceptable.
Not giving a fuck is as self destructive and useless as caring too much, you care because you are humans and too watch your own debase themselves like this makes you think how people LIKE YOU, yes YOU can let this happen. Would you have helped the girl? You dont give a fuck now shes dead, why would you when shes alive?
Some of that holds truth, but some other parts are just you showcasing how much better you are than me. Also you might be angry, but it's YOU who are angry while other who watch this shit are sad.BiscuitTrouser said:
Also you aren't affected by people suffering in Africa, you might feel for them but they do in no way affect anything that really happens to you.
And for future walls of text, please space paragraphs better. It was very hard to read your post.
I dont think im better than you, i assert that my view inspires me to do more about it than yours. Which stands to reason. I care. You dont. Doesnt take a genius to see who will act the most? Sorry, i tend to ramble, i will if i can. They affect me, maybe not directly, but i know the world, and thus me, would be better off if everyone in africa was healthy, helping all development economically, scientifically ect as much as any first world country.RanD00M said:
Moral landscape, great book, covers this in detail. No one expects you to care, its fine if you dont, i wouldnt ask that of someone if they just cant, i cant force you so i might as well respect your view point.
Right... I presume the kid was caught in the act of something (pickpocketing/stealing maybe? Worst case probably picking on some other kid?). It's a bloody kid for heavens sake, what could he have possibly done to deserve such a terrifying experience. (Yeah I know, bigotry isn't the best place to look for rational responses)viranimus said:
Of course I'm just wimpy/too soft... I even felt bad for gaddafi and how his life came to an end (though not undeserving).
Yeah I shouldn't have watched it... feeling pretty angry (and helpless) right now and have no outlet to vent. I hate going to bed angry.
That video pisses me off for entirely different reasons. For the first two examples, it's honestly not that surprising, plenty of cities where they'd blend in with the any number of homeless people laying down here and there, but whatever, it is what it is.yman15 said:
But the 3rd part, where they dress up the guy in a suit and then act like that's what made the difference. The very idea that his appearance makes a difference has nothing to do with what the video is about, and suggests that the bystander effect is not the issue but rather the prior people were only ignored because they appeared to be "nobodies". True or not, that's an entirely different concept then what they were talking about.
And perhaps most importantly, again with that 3rd part with the guy in a suit, did anyone actually pay attention to that woman who came up to him? Who the hell acts like that? It did not seem like a random concerned citizen, she came across as if she might be a paramedic or something, and a person like that doing something about it is hardly a surprise, likely having nothing to do with his state of dress.
I'm not trying to argue with you. The battlefield is an ugly, irrational place where neither instincts nor sense hold sway. It's just odd to me that the person who always does what he's told and shows no initiative is held to be brave, while the person willing to defy the commands a vast and omnipresent command structure as well as his entire society is held to be cowardly.Dr. Witticism said:
