Circumcision: a Pillar of American ignorance

[Jake0fTrades]

Oh yes, circumcision serves no real purpose, neither does marriage, fashion, video games, sports, underwear, jewelry, Coca-Cola, stamp collections, interior decorating, music, shaving, silly string, religion, pocket-watches, fancy hats or alcohol.

Most things we do or use don't make any sense, but that doesn't stop us from doing it. You're not going to get anywhere gripin' about this online.

Oh, and that's real classy, saying all American's are ignorant. Because circumcision is a practice that exists onlyin America. Yeah, it definitely didn't start in ancient Egypt and remain a common practice throughout history, practiced by Muslims, Christians and other religions. Nope, that's American ingenuity.

 

[Bento Box]

The doctor who was meant to do my circumcision didn't do it properly. At the age of about 3 or so, I got some sort of infection under my (half) foreskin due to it. I don't remember the pain of being circumcised, but I do remember the pain of anything in contact with my wee-wee for the first year or so that I can remember.

>The doctor who

I actually had to pause for several seconds to untie my mind and read the complete post correctly. I applaud you, even though I'm sure that was completely unintentional.

On topic: I'll be concise, because I've already said way too many words in past circumcision threads.

The way this should work, is the same way all religious issues should work (and circumcision certainly fucking well is a religious issue): Parents' religious treatment of their kids should end at indoctrination (and even that, only because thought-crime legislation is impractical (and right now, impossible)). Anyone should be permitted to do to themselves whatever they like, once they're old enough, provided that it doesn't harm others. Nobody should be able to exact irreparable damage on another person, child or no, without provocation. Unethical is unethical, and the religious shield shouldn't protect anyone: If a grown man wants to slice up his prick, fine, but if parents want to slice their children's dicks, then it's exactly as ethical as tearing off their children's nails, or slitting their children's eyelids down the middle, or slicing off their daughters' labia.

 

[Sansha]

Reliable citation needed for anyone claiming that circumcision makes sex any less enjoyable.

Exactly. The only people who really have a position to state this are people who have had sex, then been circumcised, recovered and had sex again and is therefore actually able to compare the experiences.

Everyone else has no idea what they're talking about. It's like saying childbirth is more/less painful than a baseball bat to the testicles - nobody knows because you cannot properly compare the experiences.

 

[Burst6]

The thing about the foreskin is it keeps the glans from rubbing against underwear and things like that.

I'm not circumcised, but as far as i understand it if you cut the foreskin the glans touches the more rough parts of your body and your underwear. It can't stay sensitive because it would annoy you, so it has to become less sensitive.

The foreskin keeps it in a soft environment until it's needed, so the glans can keep being sensitive.


This is just what i think. I haven't really read any of the studies posted here, and i don't care enough about the issue to read a whole report, so i don't know if this has been covered.

Feel free to rip me a new one if it does though.



I want to ask all the circumcised people to do something, but i don't feel right asking this on the internet.

 

[D-Ray]

From all the talk about "increased pleasure" and the links above....it seems that uncircumcised guys won't last as long in bed as a circumcised guy. Remember, sex isn't just about you....just saying.

However, I don't have an opinion on circumcision. I'm circumcised, but I don't remember ANYTHING about the process. So, to me, nothing "barbaric" has been done to me by my parents.

 

[The_Echo]

The way I see it, foreskin is really gross. So I don't mind being circumcised.

And I'm not really seeing the actual problem with circumcision. It seriously does not matter. At all.

 

[D-Ray]

Ok. Lets say that the ENTIRE world stops circumcising....WHAT DOES THIS ACCOMPLISH??? Nothing. "Yay! Every man can enjoy sex as much as I (think) I do!" It shouldn't be this big of a deal what people do acording their religion or customs. It's just the way it is over here, get over it.

BTW, if it is done for religious purposes, nothing anyone says to them, (especially through an internet forum) can change their mind because they BELIEVE in their religion. So, these arguments are as "pointless" as circumcision itself.

 

[thom_cat_]

I'm circumcised, and glad to be so. Whenever I see an uncircumcised man in porn, I get pretty put off. It's kind of gross, bro.

America-oh yeah, thought so.
You are the only country that thinks this. And it's ingrained into you by exactly the things the OP was talking about.

As for me? I'm uncircumcised and glad. If I felt the need to get it that would be fine, but having it done before I even had a choice is just stupid.

Que? 'ingrained' into me? I've actually never even heard the word 'circumcise(d)' spoken. Like...ever. It's not really something that gets brought up in normal conversation. "Oh, hey, by the way, have we told you how great it is to get circumcised? Yeah, getting part of your dick cut off is just so great; and good for you too! Have your family circumcised ASAP. Girls, too! Circumcise the world!"

Firstly, the fact you have one gives you the impression.
Then the fact that an extremely high percentage of porn 'actors' (lol) have it.
It's pretty much a standard, and whether you haven't heard it spoken doesn't matter. It's a societal thing that tends to go unspoken. It's more ingrained into your society and what you see than you yourself.

BTW, if it is done for religious purposes, nothing anyone says to them, (especially through an internet forum) can change their mind because they BELIEVE in their religion. So, these arguments are as "pointless" as circumcision itself.

So, religious people won't change their minds so we've just gotta let them get on with their crap and not argue with them. Sorry, not gonna happen.

 

[D-Ray]

I'm circumcised, and glad to be so. Whenever I see an uncircumcised man in porn, I get pretty put off. It's kind of gross, bro.

America-oh yeah, thought so.
You are the only country that thinks this. And it's ingrained into you by exactly the things the OP was talking about.

As for me? I'm uncircumcised and glad. If I felt the need to get it that would be fine, but having it done before I even had a choice is just stupid.

Que? 'ingrained' into me? I've actually never even heard the word 'circumcise(d)' spoken. Like...ever. It's not really something that gets brought up in normal conversation. "Oh, hey, by the way, have we told you how great it is to get circumcised? Yeah, getting part of your dick cut off is just so great; and good for you too! Have your family circumcised ASAP. Girls, too! Circumcise the world!"

Firstly, the fact you have one gives you the impression.
Then the fact that an extremely high percentage of porn 'actors' (lol) have it.
It's pretty much a standard, and whether you haven't heard it spoken doesn't matter. It's a societal thing that tends to go unspoken. It's more ingrained into your society and what you see than you yourself.

BTW, if it is done for religious purposes, nothing anyone says to them, (especially through an internet forum) can change their mind because they BELIEVE in their religion. So, these arguments are as "pointless" as circumcision itself.

So, religious people won't change their minds so we've just gotta let them get on with their crap and not argue with them. Sorry, not gonna happen.

Well, just saying that you are wasting your time. (I am friends wth a lot of religious people....nothing will change them.)

Also, the same could be said about you. Being born in a place where it's more popular to stand against circumcision inclines you to have that opinion as well. If you were born into a society where you are looked at weird for having an uncircumcised penis, you would wonder why you are different. However, (in my opinion) That doesn't matter.

 

[Deathmageddon]

Seeing as though it is irreversible it should be a choice you make when you're an adult, rather than your parents make for you when you are a newborn.

That's stupid, no adult is going to voluntarily get their dick clipped. The whole point of doing it to babies is that they won't remember it. Also, circumcision FTW. Unkempt dicks are more prone to infection.

 

[Rodrigo Girao]

Oh, and that's real classy, saying all American's are ignorant. Because circumcision is a practice that exists onlyin America.

Other than Jews, Muslims, and other primitive tribes... the USA and South Korea are the only countries where it is widespread. And South Korea only does it due to American influence.

Yeah, it definitely didn't start in ancient Egypt and remain a common practice throughout history, practiced by Muslims, Christians and other religions.

Christians doing it is truly fucked up, as their religion is staunchly against it [http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+5&version=NIV].

 

[lacktheknack]

You know, I lived with a couple of Jewish guys for a while, and they said that circumcision never bothered them, never affected their 'sensitivity' during sex

How would they know better?

And by the same token, why would they care?

OT: I don't care. The fact that most of the more hysterical anti-circumcision proclaimers are uncircumcised and that most circumcised people are pro-circumcision/don't care should say something.

 

[lacktheknack]

Yeah, it definitely didn't start in ancient Egypt and remain a common practice throughout history, practiced by Muslims, Christians and other religions.

Christians doing it is truly fucked up, as their religion is staunchly against it [http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+5&version=NIV].

Verse six in that link:

<quote=Verse 6>For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

So, I can further justify my not caring.

 

[Iron Lightning]

Maybe I'm crazy, but to my mind cutting the dicks of newborn children seems pretty nasty.

Also, lol at Yahweh making man in his perfect image and then telling men to cut off a part of that "perfect image."

 

[Rodrigo Girao]

How would they know better?

And by the same token, why would they care?

Let's say I poke your eyes out when you're a baby. You will never know what sight is... so why should you care?

Verse six in that link:
<quote=Verse 6>For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Meaning circumcision has zero spiritual value, one way or the other; but he still makes clear that putting any faith on it may damn you, that the old jewish law is a huge load of pointless taboos, and in verse 12 he clearly likens it to a partial castration.

 

[Iron Lightning]

I'm not circumcised and it's caused me quite few problems that I won't go into detail about here.

If I ever have a son, I'm going to have them circumcised. They'll just have to deal with the less pleasure.

By that logic you should also cut off your future son's balls so that he doesn't get life-threatening sexually transmitted diseases. He can deal with not having sex, after all it may save his life one day.

What's that? You don't want to cut off your future son's balls? Why not?

You say that robbing him of his sexuality will dampen his enjoyment of life. Well then why would you cut off his foreskin, that also dampens his enjoyment of life.

You, sir, are a very cruel man for willfully harming your own child out of fear.

 

[D-Ray]

How would they know better?

And by the same token, why would they care?

Let's say I poke your eyes out when you're a baby. You will never know what sight is... so why should you care?

Verse six in that link:
<quote=Verse 6>For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Meaning circumcision has zero spiritual value, one way or the other; but he still makes clear that putting any faith on it may damn you, that the old jewish law is a huge load of pointless taboos, and in verse 12 he clearly likens it to a partial castration.

Well, you need your eyes...(or at least it is more perfered to a bit of skin on your penis)