Circumcision: a Pillar of American ignorance

[saruman31]

Since you are born with it, it must be there for a reason. Cutting it off seems quite stupid. I never heard of anyone being circumcised in Europe.

 

[Samus Aran but a man]

Why would you cause such extreme pain to a beautiful baby boy?

 

[Bruenin]

The proof is that the foreskin has a good chunk of nerves and is the most sensitive and thus pleasurable parts of the penis.
Simple as that.
Seriously man you asked twice for the proof, its like a 5 second google search for the answer.

Have you read the Wikipedia page, checked their sources, or medical journals? The medical jury's out. Has been for years, hell several surveys say that circumcision increases pleasure. Literally took 15 seconds of google for the wiki. Here's the link specifically for sexual effects of circumcision and the list of findings for the past decade+ . Take a look, educate yourself, then get back to me when you see neither side can claim that it does or doesn't impede sexual performance. Before you go at someone for not checking sources, make sure to post some.

For everyone else, can we let this die already? This is the 4th thread on the topic, according to a quick searchbar check. It's going to get a "katana" ban if this keeps up and while a single thread of pointless bickering is fine, I'll grant the civil liberties part is fine but that's always far behind penis performance, we really don't need four threads of "their penis looks and works differently" because it really doesn't (see above.) If you want to make it about personal liberties and parenting, feel free; but you can do so much more with it if you expand beyond just circumcisions.

And OP: Since you're new I point you to the searchbar in the top right, thread-necro's better than making threads that already exist and this should be on the Political and Religion forum, in my opinion, more than OT.

umm... Majority of those studies say that only 60-70% were satisfied or felt an improvement, amd there were studies that showed it taked longer to recover after orgasm and more frequent ejaculation problems. Doesn't seem worth it to just say fuck you to the 40% who werent lucky enough.

Over half of the 'better pleasure' after circumcision seemed a bit skewed and were either surveys or weren't even stated. Most of them were opinions around people who got circumcised for medical reasons. If they had a problem with their dick I would hope it would feel better afterwards.

It doesn't seem too conculsive with the majority of the studies saying nothing was found.

 

[Phasmal]

Besides, I haven't seen anyone answer the REALLY important question: Do ladies prefer snipped, or unsnipped?

I'm a lady.
I prefer unsnipped.
But I'm not all ladies.
Plus I'm English, and guys mostly aren't snipped here.

I dont think parents should make the decision regarding cutting off bits of their kid's downstairs, but they will.

I wouldn't do it to my kid, though.

 

[Samus Aran but a man]

I'm circumcised, and glad to be so. Whenever I see an uncircumcised man in porn, I get pretty put off. It's kind of gross, bro.

I find circumcised penises gross, bro

 

[Samus Aran but a man]

Reliable citation needed for anyone claiming that circumcision makes sex any less enjoyable.

5 seconds of searching on google came up with

^ "Circumcision policy statement. American Academy of Pediatrics. Task Force on Circumcision". Pediatrics 103 (3): 686?93. March 1999. doi:10.1542/peds.103.3.686 . PMID 10049981 .

Boyle, Gregory J; Svoboda, J Steven; Goldman, Ronald; Fernandez, Ephrem (2002). "Male circumcision: pain, trauma, and psychosexual sequelae" . Bond University Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences.

Sorrells, Morriss L.; James L. Snyder, Mark D. Reiss, Christopher Eden, Marilyn F. Milos, Norma Wilcox and Robert S. Van Howe (March 2007). "Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penis" (PDF). BJU International 99 (4): 864?869. doi:10.1111/j.1464-410X.2006.06685.x . PMID 17378847 .

I would show more but I'm going to bed now.

To masturbate.

With my uncut penis.

U jelly?

 

[The_Emperor]

its a baby dont cut off the tip of it's penis for reasons that are even remotely debatable, or reasons of convenience or aesthetic reasons. Simples.

I'd argue not even for religious reasons but those guys are fucking insane.

GOD HATES FORESKINS!

er didnt he create them?

YES HE HATES THEN NOW THOUGH CUT THEM OFF KTHXBYE!

 

[idarkphoenixi]

It's really not fair to do this if the kid has no say. I mean, this is a change he'll need to live with for the rest of his life.

At least let them be old enough to make an informed decision for themselves.

 

[Vicarious Reality]

hey im circumcised and no complaints here. for me it should be a personal choice

Well tat's te core o te problem isn't it?
People are circumsizing cildren.

Tat is eual to pedopilic cild torture as ar as i am concerned

 

[kingpocky]

Reliable citation needed for anyone claiming that circumcision makes sex any less enjoyable.

5 seconds of searching on google came up with

^ "Circumcision policy statement. American Academy of Pediatrics. Task Force on Circumcision". Pediatrics 103 (3): 686?93. March 1999. doi:10.1542/peds.103.3.686 . PMID 10049981 .

Boyle, Gregory J; Svoboda, J Steven; Goldman, Ronald; Fernandez, Ephrem (2002). "Male circumcision: pain, trauma, and psychosexual sequelae" . Bond University Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences.

Sorrells, Morriss L.; James L. Snyder, Mark D. Reiss, Christopher Eden, Marilyn F. Milos, Norma Wilcox and Robert S. Van Howe (March 2007). "Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penis" (PDF). BJU International 99 (4): 864?869. doi:10.1111/j.1464-410X.2006.06685.x . PMID 17378847 .

I would show more but I'm going to bed now.

To masturbate.

With my uncut penis.

U jelly?

Sure, go ahead. Although it kind of looks like you didn't really bother reading the thread, as there have been different studies saying different things since that one post I have, and even a wikipedia article summarizing the results of major studies. I would say that you should go over a thread better before responding to posts on the first page, but I guess you had more important things you needed to go get done, so I understand.

 

[Pinkamena]

Why is this even such a big deal?

 

[dfphetteplace]

Do you really want to play trend setter with your son's dick?

 

[mental_looney]

Is it just me or is there a thread on this every week.

It's bad m'kay we all don't need to go over the same arguments again and you haven't suddenly become the only enlightened person to realise it's bad we don't all need told about it.

It's highly inflammatory to blame america for the practise that existed long before that country did.

 

[Dwarfman]

This is not an attack, only an outcry.

Coming fromn someone who is circumsised are you sure about that? I kinda get sick and tired of being treated like some cripple or special person by people like you.

 

[irishda]

Circumcision: the new rape threads for the Escapist.

I think this is a non-issue, but the really stupid part of these threads is all the users citing "Children are getting mutilated" as a reason. When the hell did escapist users start caring about children? This is the same forum that hates kids because of the censorship placed on TV, would rather the entire population was immortal instead of reproductive, and argued that not being able to kill children in video games was "breaking their immersion". Now people are getting indignant because of a procedure that has enough pros and cons on both sides to make this really a non-issue. You don't care about kids, Escapist, so stop using them as ammunition.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

Cutting off the most sensitive part of the penis in a procedure that if witnessed could be equated to torture is what I'd call child abuse. There are no medical benefits to cutting off the foreskin and it can therefore be equated to cutting off the earlobe. To any circumcision advocates, would you cut off a child's earlobe?

 

[Jonluw]

Circumcision: the new rape threads for the Escapist.

It's the other way around, actually. The rape threads were a bit of a new thing. Circumcision threads have been around forever.

I think this is a non-issue, but the really stupid part of these threads is all the users citing "Children are getting mutilated" as a reason. When the hell did escapist users start caring about children? This is the same forum that hates kids because of the censorship placed on TV, would rather the entire population was immortal instead of reproductive, and argued that not being able to kill children in video games was "breaking their immersion". Now people are getting indignant because of a procedure that has enough pros and cons on both sides to make this really a non-issue. You don't care about kids, Escapist, so stop using them as ammunition.

Just because I don't really care about what happens to some random guy in my town outside of my monkeysphere, that doesn't mean I'd want to make it legal to stab whomever you want.
By the same token, I don't think it should be legal for parents to have a doctor even touch their child with a scalpel unless there is a real medical reason for it. (No, potentially lowering the chances of STDs by a tiny bit doesn't count. Teach your kids to use a condom instead of knives. They're far more effective.)

And the pros of circumcision are really debatable.

Then there's the fact that I'm not allowed to cut any other part of my kid. Why is his penis excempt from this rule? If anything it should be emphasized as a part I'm not allowed to slice, considering it's a rather personal part.

Also: Wanting to be able to kill virtual representations of children is not the same as wanting to kill or harm real children. Nor is it the same as hating children.

And if you don't think taking away someone's foresking is harming them, you might be interested to know that there is practically an industry devoted to foreskin restoration. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreskin_restoration]