Circumcision: a Pillar of American ignorance

[D-Ray]

I'm not circumcised and it's caused me quite few problems that I won't go into detail about here.

If I ever have a son, I'm going to have them circumcised. They'll just have to deal with the less pleasure.

By that logic you should also cut off your future son's balls so that he doesn't get life-threatening sexually transmitted diseases. He can deal with not having sex, after all it may save his life one day.

What's that? You don't want to cut off your future son's balls? Why not?

You say that robbing him of his sexuality will dampen his enjoyment of life. Well then why would you cut off his foreskin, that also dampens his enjoyment of life.

You, sir, are a very cruel man for willfully harming your own child out of fear.

Okay, you need your balls....you don't need a bit of skin on the tip of your penis.

I'm tired of people saying things like "why don't you cut off your arm so you won't stink" and stupid things like that....a little skin on your penis is not equivilant to any appendages....jeez

 

[CODE-D]

Are you guys trying to say my dick is ugly and inferior.
MY DICK IS JUST FINE!!
Stop making mydick feel bad about itself just because it took a little off the top.

 

[Pharsalus]

Outcry, over what? What gives you the right to criticize another country on this kind of thing? Why not outcry against those aborigines who have massive plates in their lips? It's the same kind of thing really, pretty much harmless, painless (at least I assume the lip plates are painless), and cosmetically odd to your eyes.

Why would you even want to discuss this, hoping to make waves of change in the treatment of infant genitalia?

I'm cut, and I plan to have any sons be as well. Smegma is too gross, I can't even stand the nut butter I get from thigh chafing after a couple of unwashed days.

What did bring this topic bubbling up onto your keyboard? I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Texas Joker 52]

While I know that replying to this is simply painting a target on my forehead no matter what my opinion is, I've decided not to care about the potential flames, hate, insults or whatever might be thrown my way.

I will also say this: Threads like this are personal, and while it's easy for someone to simply not reply or avoid it entirely, you're discussing your cock. Its awkward, and not a lot of people may want to know, so a warning may or may not be appreciated. Seriously, some people may not have any love for the dick. This, is my warning.

As a circumcised Christian, a lot of the background from the Jewish lifestyle and cultural history. Long story short, its a physical sign of a promise made between man and God, as a way to set themselves apart. Its primarily a Jewish and Christian thing, and while I don't know the details, and I won't bother even guessing seeing as I prefer to state facts.

As a previous poster mentioned:

Circumcision for baby boys heals quickly, and the child is too young to remember it. Adult circumcision requires stitches around the end of your penis, and you're going to remember every single second during which your cock was rendered out of service because it has just been sewn up after an operation.

It is much safer to circumcise a child at a certain time just after birth, due to biological processes by which I don't understand and I encourage to look up, mainly due to how they will heal and the lack of any real memory of such later in life.

For those of you who are complaining as to it being out of the child's hands, well, a lot of things are. Your given name for example. You had no choice in the matter, and while you can have your name legally changed, it takes a long legal process in which your new name needs to be approved, as well as registered, among other things. An alias simply does not count, as it is not your legal name.

Ultimately, it is a decision that is for the parents, or if the person in question is already an adult, for them. It is a personal choice, if not a cultural one. So, remember next time circumcision rears its shiny purple head, that its not purely for aesthetics, but possibly religious purposes as well, seeing as that was its origin.

 

[MrJuicy]

But whatever the main point of my argument is that doing an unnecessary major surgery on an infant is a pretty barbaric and evil thing to do.

Circumcision on an infant is hardly major surgery.

I am absolutely clueless as to why everyone is so worried about what everyone else's penis looks like. Just go with your own opinion and leave it at that. We would all be robots if we all agreed on absolutely every single issue in the world.

Get over it and move on, there's more important things out there to be worried about.

 

[bakan]

American? It's a Jewish thing and totally optional if you aren't >.>

Actually, Americans began to circumcise men to prevent masturbation and it is not just a jewish thing.

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I'm cut, and I plan to have any sons be as well. Smegma is too gross, I can't even stand the nut butter I get from thigh chafing after a couple of unwashed days.

So you plan to circumcise your future sons because you are unable to teach them some basic hygiene, as you are unable to wash yourself regularly...

 

[Palademon]

My question is if we're going to cut off parts of our children, why don't we cut off nipples?
Why are we cutting off parts of the thing that physicallly makes us a man and not the things that physically makes us a woman?

 

[thom_cat_]

Well, just saying that you are wasting your time. (I am friends wth a lot of religious people....nothing will change them.)

Also, the same could be said about you. Being born in a place where it's more popular to stand against circumcision inclines you to have that opinion as well. If you were born into a society where you are looked at weird for having an uncircumcised penis, you would wonder why you are different. However, (in my opinion) That doesn't matter.

Hahah yeah but it's so much fun! I just can't understand their thought process so it's interesting in a way. It's not really the "conversion" I'm looking for. It's the realisation that they can think about what they believe. Just getting someone to question their beliefs is the best thing.

There's circumcision here. My father is circumcised. But it's just not prevalent. So it's on the decline. It doesn't matter to me, so I don't find either "disgusting" or whatever some of these people are saying. Dicks are different, vaginas are different. People need to realise this. I hate ideals. Like the fact that the ideal woman has the body of an effeminate man. Society sucks.

 

[elcamino41383]

As I said in the last thread that brought this up...I never had it so I can't miss it. I don't care one bit that I'm circumcised. I also, personally, think a penis looks a bit more funny uncircumcised. I honestly don't see how so many can have a problem with losing something they never had the knowledge of even having. But alas, that's just me.

 

[Fieldy409_v1legacy]

Its just a clipped dick.

Tell those women in Africa, "stop whining, it's just a clipped clit."

Why dont you tell them you just made that comparison? See how they react to that.

 

[holy_secret]

I just don't like the idea of mutilating the body in order to reach an aesthetically appealing point.

The mentality of saying "what does it matter it looks gross with the hood on" or arguing about sensitivity doesn't make sense to me because it feels like a violation of the human body to use bodily mutilation as a form of beauty surgery. This without the consent of the person in question.

This is the same reason there is female genital mutilation in the world, because it's how it's always been like and because it's tradition.
Why make a distinction?

 

[s0p0g]

it makes hygiene easier. do you know what old people who need to be washed by someone else often look like under their prepuce? do you know how that residue (smegma) smells?
ain't pretty at all, can tell you that.

and it's not like they're cutting off a finger or something, it's just some cm² of skin that has not that much of a purpose.
also, having no prepuce makes you less sensitive. the advantage should be obvious (at least for small part of people here who do not claim to be asexual)

that being said, i don't think it's something that should be done blindly "just 'cause", or for aesthetical reasons (then again, people do much weirder stuff to become beautiful. BUT it's themselves who makes that decision. more or less, at least), or because daddy has been circumcised, so his son has to, too, or because some book you read (to not go ape-shit crazy and kill people and steal stuff, because we all know without a proper belief-system we all would do that. look at us atheists; we're running wiiiild) tells you too.
as with any other surgical intervention (or any medical intervention for that matter) there should be an indication for it. (phimosis comes to mind, being the most common)

 

[Ham_authority95]

At this point in out modern society, there is little justification for such an act, yet America continues this ridiculous practice, for largely cosmetic reasons, along with the ideology, "I was, so my son will be". Is this not insane? It is absurd to perform surgery based on cosmetic reasons unless of some horrible deformity or mutilation. Besides, the foreskin offers more pleasure, and keeps the head lubricated. Many people perform this act, because they do no know the alternative, and that is truly tragic. Throughout Eurasia, and the rest of the world circumcision is on the decline, because people have recognized these truths for over half a century. The only reason (Outside of religion), is that is can reduce the chances of catching HIV, something that has been huge problem within 3rd-world countries, but why not offer condoms instead of a permanent surgical solution, reintroduce the female condom, an older tool originally intended to offer women the tool necessary to keep themselves safe. What say you? This is not an attack, only an outcry.

You should post this on a forum with more soon-to-be parents, since they're the ones who make the decision to have kids circumcised.

I doubt people on a video gaming forum will ever bother to circumcise their children.