Could America be invaded?

[cannot_aim]

Could a country invade America?

Of course, any one could it would just be a very bad idea. The Army, Marines, Air Force, Navy and National gaurd would give any invading nation a run for their money. Also much of Americas population would rise up against an invading army and would cause no end to problems with aiding rebel groups and screwing up their supply lines.

Failing all of that we would nuke their home country until it was nothing but a nuclear wasteland.

 

[Kazturkey]

simple, fire a catalyst into America's nuclear supplies and you have destroyed America's main defense, after which you can proceed to watch as the radioactive fallout from their nuclear supplies strangles most of their armed forces, then just bomb them with nukes until there's a smoking crater shaped like America. either that or you could do the China approach and make America build up a large debt from you and then call it back from them forcing them to surrender and become part of your country

You really don't know how nuclear reactions work, or how many different stockpiles they have do you?

Shh. Don't tell him about the nuclear sub-marines that would be charged with nuking whatever country got us so there's little to no chance of getting out of a nuclear war alive.

So long as the french aren't driving the subs

/satire

But really, radar and depth charges > Your subs.

I'm not 100% sure that's really as fool proof as you might think. I'll grant you that the depth charges are scary, terrifying, and painful as a suppository, but I have faith that the best funded military on earth has figured out a way around that. At the very least, many subs would be in a good position to start letting fly at the first sign of aggression.

America - Your weapons built by the lowest builder! I doubt the Americans have hidden subs THAT close to chinese cities... you need to be within something like thirty miles of the coast to fire a nuke from a sub and the chinese are very good with patrols and such.

 

[TiteAce]

The U.S has been invaded, not by a major force but by sects of terrorists numourus times and probly now. they lay in wait and blend in for years, even 20 or so before they launch, it happened has happened, will happen but we always win

 

[Kazturkey]

The U.S has been invaded, not by a major force but by sects of terrorists numourus times and probly now. they lay in wait and blend in for years, even 20 or so before they launch, it happened has happened, will happen but we always win

OMG A CONSPIRACY!

Where!?

 

[Lazier Than Thou]

simple, fire a catalyst into America's nuclear supplies and you have destroyed America's main defense, after which you can proceed to watch as the radioactive fallout from their nuclear supplies strangles most of their armed forces, then just bomb them with nukes until there's a smoking crater shaped like America. either that or you could do the China approach and make America build up a large debt from you and then call it back from them forcing them to surrender and become part of your country

You really don't know how nuclear reactions work, or how many different stockpiles they have do you?

Shh. Don't tell him about the nuclear sub-marines that would be charged with nuking whatever country got us so there's little to no chance of getting out of a nuclear war alive.

So long as the french aren't driving the subs

/satire

But really, radar and depth charges > Your subs.

I'm not 100% sure that's really as fool proof as you might think. I'll grant you that the depth charges are scary, terrifying, and painful as a suppository, but I have faith that the best funded military on earth has figured out a way around that. At the very least, many subs would be in a good position to start letting fly at the first sign of aggression.

America - Your weapons built by the lowest builder! I doubt the Americans have hidden subs THAT close to chinese cities... you need to be within something like thirty miles of the coast to fire a nuke from a sub and the chinese are very good with patrols and such.

I'd be more afraid of Russia nuking America than China, but only one needs to get through the patrols to destroy China.

To be honest, I have more doubts that Obama would order a retaliation strike in the event of a nuclear war than that we COULD retaliate. A guy who is willing to sit down with terrorists and negotiate is probably not going to want to annihilate billions of people. Maybe that's just me, though.

 

[Zombie Badger]

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty - Thomas Jefferson.

Precisely. I don't think Washington has enough fear of the people, to be honest. Then again, I'm not sure there's really anything to be afraid of. Maybe if the people get more angry, but I haven't seen much that really makes me think the people want the freedoms they have.

People have become far more apathetic nowadays. I'm starting to agree with the writer in A Clockwork Orange, when he says that 'The common people will let it go. Oh yes, they?ll sell liberty for a quieter life. That is why they must be led, sir, driven, pushed!' People just don't care about politics, and the worst they ever do is protest outside the offices of the politicians who then ignore them.

I will always believe that people should have the right to choose for themselves. Even though I know people will make bad decisions, it should always be their right to make them for themselves.

That is a noble idea, but I believe that my country would be a better place if it were ruled by a benign dictatorship. Emphasis on BENIGN. This would get rid of the votes of religious nutjobs, as well as the votes of other certain people.

 

[Kazturkey]

simple, fire a catalyst into America's nuclear supplies and you have destroyed America's main defense, after which you can proceed to watch as the radioactive fallout from their nuclear supplies strangles most of their armed forces, then just bomb them with nukes until there's a smoking crater shaped like America. either that or you could do the China approach and make America build up a large debt from you and then call it back from them forcing them to surrender and become part of your country

You really don't know how nuclear reactions work, or how many different stockpiles they have do you?

Shh. Don't tell him about the nuclear sub-marines that would be charged with nuking whatever country got us so there's little to no chance of getting out of a nuclear war alive.

So long as the french aren't driving the subs

/satire

But really, radar and depth charges > Your subs.

I'm not 100% sure that's really as fool proof as you might think. I'll grant you that the depth charges are scary, terrifying, and painful as a suppository, but I have faith that the best funded military on earth has figured out a way around that. At the very least, many subs would be in a good position to start letting fly at the first sign of aggression.

America - Your weapons built by the lowest builder! I doubt the Americans have hidden subs THAT close to chinese cities... you need to be within something like thirty miles of the coast to fire a nuke from a sub and the chinese are very good with patrols and such.

I'd be more afraid of Russia nuking America than China, but only one needs to get through the patrols to destroy China.

To be honest, I have more doubts that Obama would order a retaliation strike in the event of a nuclear war than that we COULD retaliate. A guy who is willing to sit down with terrorists and negotiate is probably not going to want to annihilate billions of people. Maybe that's just me, though.

The patrols and the couple of MILLION red guard soldiers who are, incidentally, better trained than most people believe.

 

[Zombie Badger]

simple, fire a catalyst into America's nuclear supplies and you have destroyed America's main defense, after which you can proceed to watch as the radioactive fallout from their nuclear supplies strangles most of their armed forces, then just bomb them with nukes until there's a smoking crater shaped like America. either that or you could do the China approach and make America build up a large debt from you and then call it back from them forcing them to surrender and become part of your country

You really don't know how nuclear reactions work, or how many different stockpiles they have do you?

Also, nuclear weapons will only explode when armed, and the arming mechanism is usually triggered by the number of Gs associated with ballistic missile flight. And, pray tell, what catalyst do you mean?

 

[Kazturkey]

simple, fire a catalyst into America's nuclear supplies and you have destroyed America's main defense, after which you can proceed to watch as the radioactive fallout from their nuclear supplies strangles most of their armed forces, then just bomb them with nukes until there's a smoking crater shaped like America. either that or you could do the China approach and make America build up a large debt from you and then call it back from them forcing them to surrender and become part of your country

You really don't know how nuclear reactions work, or how many different stockpiles they have do you?

Also, nuclear weapons will only explode when armed, and the arming mechanism is usually triggered by the number of Gs associated with ballistic missile flight. And, pray tell, what catalyst do you mean?

Please do not feed the troll zombiebadger. He may bite.

edit: Wasnt totally clear, I'm calling darkblade a troll. Not you.

 

[Lazier Than Thou]

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty - Thomas Jefferson.

Precisely. I don't think Washington has enough fear of the people, to be honest. Then again, I'm not sure there's really anything to be afraid of. Maybe if the people get more angry, but I haven't seen much that really makes me think the people want the freedoms they have.

People have become far more apathetic nowadays. I'm starting to agree with the writer in A Clockwork Orange, when he says that 'The common people will let it go. Oh yes, they?ll sell liberty for a quieter life. That is why they must be led, sir, driven, pushed!' People just don't care about politics, and the worst they ever do is protest outside the offices of the politicians who then ignore them.

I will always believe that people should have the right to choose for themselves. Even though I know people will make bad decisions, it should always be their right to make them for themselves.

That is a noble idea, but I believe that my country would be a better place if it were ruled by a benign dictatorship. Emphasis on BENIGN. This would get rid of the votes of religious nutjobs, as well as the votes of other certain people.

It very well could be "better." But would still fight tooth and nail against such oppressive government. Benign or not, any government with the power to give you everything you want has the power to take it away. Even assuming they never do take it away, I still wouldn't want to live under such a rule.

 

[Darkblader01]

it is possible to detonate a nuclear device with a catalyst, for example a H-bomb can detonate a nuclear device.

also,unless you have anything of value to say then please stop trying to insult me with petty replies

 

[Kazturkey]

it is possible to detonate a nuclear device with a catalyst, for example a H-bomb can detonate a nuclear device.

also,unless you have anything of value to say then please stop trying to insult me with petty replies

No it isn't. A H bomb can DESTROY a nuclear warhead, but it certainly won't detonate it.

 

[sabotstarr]

Yes, you might be able to retaliate, but what's the point in that after your country has been destroyed?
The primary role of nuclear weapons is to deter other countries from bombing your country.

If R-hour (retaliation hour) is upon two countries, successfully avoiding nation-wide destruction is down to dropping your bombs first, crippling the other countries' infrastructure.
This will, in effect disable the opposing country?s means to retaliate in kind, by disabling the government and possibly even the weapons of mass destruction itself.
Therefore, the country to react first during R-hour is the ?victorious? one.

Yes but victory is such a subjective term now a days. Either way this was about an invasion not mutual destruction.

Well in that case, yes it can be invaded. It was invaded by the British over 100 years ago and it can be done today, too.
The rest of the world has enough nuclear bombs to annihilate the USA and then just walk into the bombsite that was the former nation of America, but then again...who'd want to, right?

exactly, they would be blown to pieces once NORAD saw the first missile/bomber is seen taking off. Then the most powerful army/navy/air force would hit you with nukes, bombs, ICBMs, and anything else we could find. Then your missiles/planes would be shot down and your nation would be said crater. Fox would then declare the current president a god. THE END.
Hypothetically

 

[historybuff]

simple, fire a catalyst into America's nuclear supplies and you have destroyed America's main defense, after which you can proceed to watch as the radioactive fallout from their nuclear supplies strangles most of their armed forces, then just bomb them with nukes until there's a smoking crater shaped like America. either that or you could do the China approach and make America build up a large debt from you and then call it back from them forcing them to surrender and become part of your country

You really don't know how nuclear reactions work, or how many different stockpiles they have do you?

Shh. Don't tell him about the nuclear sub-marines that would be charged with nuking whatever country got us so there's little to no chance of getting out of a nuclear war alive.

So long as the french aren't driving the subs

/satire

But really, radar and depth charges > Your subs.

I'm not 100% sure that's really as fool proof as you might think. I'll grant you that the depth charges are scary, terrifying, and painful as a suppository, but I have faith that the best funded military on earth has figured out a way around that. At the very least, many subs would be in a good position to start letting fly at the first sign of aggression.

America - Your weapons built by the lowest builder! I doubt the Americans have hidden subs THAT close to chinese cities... you need to be within something like thirty miles of the coast to fire a nuke from a sub and the chinese are very good with patrols and such.

Actually, we wouldn't necessarily need them. Though, obviously, it stands to our advantage. The United States actually has weapons in Europe. When the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty was signed, the USA controlled weapons in other NATO countries. We keep control of those weapons and, in that way, we don't violate the treaty but we still provide weapons for Belgium, Germany, ecetera, ecetera so that they have means to defend themselves--but they are under our control. Not theirs.

So, really, I mean. When you have nuclear weapons under US control--and its not like security would be lax in those places--we would know if those posts were taken over (unless they were traitors). So--this business about whoever strikes first or something--well, not all our stuff is in the US.

 

[Lazier Than Thou]

simple, fire a catalyst into America's nuclear supplies and you have destroyed America's main defense, after which you can proceed to watch as the radioactive fallout from their nuclear supplies strangles most of their armed forces, then just bomb them with nukes until there's a smoking crater shaped like America. either that or you could do the China approach and make America build up a large debt from you and then call it back from them forcing them to surrender and become part of your country

You really don't know how nuclear reactions work, or how many different stockpiles they have do you?

Shh. Don't tell him about the nuclear sub-marines that would be charged with nuking whatever country got us so there's little to no chance of getting out of a nuclear war alive.

So long as the french aren't driving the subs

/satire

But really, radar and depth charges > Your subs.

I'm not 100% sure that's really as fool proof as you might think. I'll grant you that the depth charges are scary, terrifying, and painful as a suppository, but I have faith that the best funded military on earth has figured out a way around that. At the very least, many subs would be in a good position to start letting fly at the first sign of aggression.

America - Your weapons built by the lowest builder! I doubt the Americans have hidden subs THAT close to chinese cities... you need to be within something like thirty miles of the coast to fire a nuke from a sub and the chinese are very good with patrols and such.

I'd be more afraid of Russia nuking America than China, but only one needs to get through the patrols to destroy China.

To be honest, I have more doubts that Obama would order a retaliation strike in the event of a nuclear war than that we COULD retaliate. A guy who is willing to sit down with terrorists and negotiate is probably not going to want to annihilate billions of people. Maybe that's just me, though.

The patrols and the couple of MILLION red guard soldiers who are, incidentally, better trained than most people believe.

Or perhaps you only believe that they're better trained than they are.

 

[Zombie Badger]

That is a noble idea, but I believe that my country would be a better place if it were ruled by a benign dictatorship. Emphasis on BENIGN. This would get rid of the votes of religious nutjobs, as well as the votes of other certain people.

It very well could be "better." But would still fight tooth and nail against such oppressive government. Benign or not, any government with the power to give you everything you want has the power to take it away. Even assuming they never do take it away, I still wouldn't want to live under such a rule.

And after you have defeated the government, what would you do? Most revolutions have only led to brutal dictatorships, even the ones that start off offering a democratic government. I admire your ideals, though I can't help but spot flaws.

 

[Kazturkey]

simple, fire a catalyst into America's nuclear supplies and you have destroyed America's main defense, after which you can proceed to watch as the radioactive fallout from their nuclear supplies strangles most of their armed forces, then just bomb them with nukes until there's a smoking crater shaped like America. either that or you could do the China approach and make America build up a large debt from you and then call it back from them forcing them to surrender and become part of your country

You really don't know how nuclear reactions work, or how many different stockpiles they have do you?

Shh. Don't tell him about the nuclear sub-marines that would be charged with nuking whatever country got us so there's little to no chance of getting out of a nuclear war alive.

So long as the french aren't driving the subs

/satire

But really, radar and depth charges > Your subs.

I'm not 100% sure that's really as fool proof as you might think. I'll grant you that the depth charges are scary, terrifying, and painful as a suppository, but I have faith that the best funded military on earth has figured out a way around that. At the very least, many subs would be in a good position to start letting fly at the first sign of aggression.

America - Your weapons built by the lowest builder! I doubt the Americans have hidden subs THAT close to chinese cities... you need to be within something like thirty miles of the coast to fire a nuke from a sub and the chinese are very good with patrols and such.

I'd be more afraid of Russia nuking America than China, but only one needs to get through the patrols to destroy China.

To be honest, I have more doubts that Obama would order a retaliation strike in the event of a nuclear war than that we COULD retaliate. A guy who is willing to sit down with terrorists and negotiate is probably not going to want to annihilate billions of people. Maybe that's just me, though.

The patrols and the couple of MILLION red guard soldiers who are, incidentally, better trained than most people believe.

Or perhaps you only believe that they're better trained than they are.

No, they really are rather well trained, especially given that there are such a lot of them.

 

[historybuff]

Yes, you might be able to retaliate, but what's the point in that after your country has been destroyed?
The primary role of nuclear weapons is to deter other countries from bombing your country.

If R-hour (retaliation hour) is upon two countries, successfully avoiding nation-wide destruction is down to dropping your bombs first, crippling the other countries' infrastructure.
This will, in effect disable the opposing country?s means to retaliate in kind, by disabling the government and possibly even the weapons of mass destruction itself.
Therefore, the country to react first during R-hour is the ?victorious? one.

Yes but victory is such a subjective term now a days. Either way this was about an invasion not mutual destruction.

Well in that case, yes it can be invaded. It was invaded by the British over 100 years ago and it can be done today, too.
The rest of the world has enough nuclear bombs to annihilate the USA and then just walk into the bombsite that was the former nation of America, but then again...who'd want to, right?

exactly, they would be blown to pieces once NORAD saw the first missile/bomber is seen taking off. Then the most powerful army/navy/air force would hit you with nukes, bombs, ICBMs, and anything else we could find. Then your missiles/planes would be shot down and your nation would be said crater. Fox would then declare the current president a god. THE END.
Hypothetically

Not necessarily. We have nuclear weapons under our control in Europe. It's not like a global superpower keeps all their stuff at home.

 

[darkorion69]

The US is too geographically isolated for standard military assault. An enemy army would have to attack from one (or more) of four vectors...Canada, Mexico, Pacific Coast, Atlantic Coast.

Given our relatively amicable trade and political relations (and binding treaties) with both Canada and Mexico an attack from these vectors is unlikely at best. Mexico and Canada would also be reluctant to support a guerrilla war based from their countries, as the US (as usual) would crack down on the Mexican and Canadian governments because they are more visible targets than hidden insurgents.

This leaves amphibious and air assaults on our coasts. Our spy satellite network, Coast Guard, and Naval patrols would detect the movement of the massive number of transports required for any significant landing. An enemy would have to employ stealth submarine transports to get their boots on the ground for a preliminary assault.

A significant aerial assault would require multiple aircraft carriers, which would be extremely hard if not impossible to stealth. Additionally the airplanes would also need stealth technology to avoid anti-aircraft measures. The aerial assault plan would have to cripple most (preferably all) communications, command and control, and military radar emplacements on the coastline. Secondary targets would be civilian radar and communications points.

If communications could not be suppressed, the invader would be very quickly facing the combined firepower of all NATO's forces. The weight of this military retribution would crush the invasion within 30-60 days at best. US citizens would hunt down enemy soldiers personally, and every gun nut in America would jump in their SUV's and raise some hell for the enemy.

Bottom line...the US is not vulnerable to standard military invasion. It would require a highly stealthy, highly organized, and rapid strike from a technologically superior enemy. We are vulnerable to nuclear assault to some extent...but nuclear weapons don't capture territory, and their use would doom the offending party (or the nation they come from) to extreme sanctions and US occupation for a long time.

 

[Lazier Than Thou]

That is a noble idea, but I believe that my country would be a better place if it were ruled by a benign dictatorship. Emphasis on BENIGN. This would get rid of the votes of religious nutjobs, as well as the votes of other certain people.

It very well could be "better." But would still fight tooth and nail against such oppressive government. Benign or not, any government with the power to give you everything you want has the power to take it away. Even assuming they never do take it away, I still wouldn't want to live under such a rule.

And after you have defeated the government, what would you do? Most revolutions have only led to brutal dictatorships, even the ones that start off offering a democratic government. I admire your ideals, though I can't help but spot flaws.

Heh, I can't imagine I would defeat such a government. But, if I did, I'd use the original Constitution of the United States of America as a base for government and add in term limits and all sorts of restrictions on the government. Specifically inter-state commerce laws that put the power in the hands of the people, not the federal government.