Actually most have not, aside from people online throwing back theories to and fro. Most are rediculous and easily explained away bit not all are. To claim because a few have been that all are, is folly.Shaoken said:
Given how many planes have exploded cause of explosives I would say 'dead giveaway' is a long shot at best. I have this idea because the people on those planes, using sat phones, SAID AS MUCH! We can argue if it was a threat of a bomb, or a real bomb, but that is a moot point as the possibility of there being a bomb has been raised as a red flag. One that has not been adequately addressed! I do believe the government downplayed this for a simple reason, after 3000 people died heads would have to roll if such a massive breach of security was even investigated, the panic would be instant and people would demand action against those believed to be responcable for such a breach... even if there wasn't one.
Box cutters though? Who could of suspected that, easily smuggled on and not really looked for prior to 9/11... good escape goat there.
You have NO understanding of norad, not any ability to even google norad. In fact most of your points are down right ridiculous statements not based at all in reality. I don't know how to respond to such ramblings, cause all my arguments would assume a level of reality. 24/7 war drills? Red tape preventing any communications between organisations? Super sonic jets unable to catch up with civilian passenger craft? A simple transponder being turned off eliminating all ability to track?
You reach for anything to make it look as if Norad is incompetent at best, or at worse is some long dead paperweight organization that even the people working for it mistaking believe is in charge of something. In this case the organization wasn't up to par because it had been crippled, and you want to ignore that reality by putting into doubt norads ability to do it's damn job. The only job they have, the one the name is based on, defending the airspace over America!
Any other day it would of had jets in the air, parallel to any of those passenger planes, within half a hour... tops. Now we could argue if they would of ordered them to be shot down, let alone in time. That would be reasonable to ponder on... but your argument that norad is a cold war dinosaur without the ability to function effective. It makes me think of libertarianism, and the fact they would rather believe every governmental body is unable to function as justification for ridding them all.
I'm not even going to waste time on it. Google can be your friend, use the damn thing. On reflection I take this back. With the amount of 9/11 bullshit floating around any google on norad is going to bounce you through years worth of 'chaff.' Google is not your friend when there is mind boggling amounts of matches to your quarry.
Potentially but most importantly: 3000 people died! This isn't some little thing here we can half arse away. It deserves to be looked at closer and made sure all concidences are just that. The fact is NO ONE really did so. They left so much unexplored all to shit out a 'offical story' so fast that alone is sus, but likely a coincidence as they wanted to look competent after enough screw ups to maybe even demand a impeachment hearing. The investigation we had was damage control, designed first and foremost to ensure the US government would not face any blame, and not really about finding out what happened.
I would point out that ONE man regected, one man who had morality put the plan down when all the people around him wanted it, pushed for it and where angered over his decision to not do it. Your telling me that similar thinking men, to those would be murders, magical disappeared when JFK told them no? That anyone who might think 'letting US people died for political gain' just vanished off the face of the earth at that moment and where never replaced in government by
like minded people ever again?
Reality to you, there are many people who don't give a fuck about each other and lot of them gravitate to positions of power. I don't have a doubt for a second if some CIA bigwig would loose a moments sleep if he decided to off a US citizens cause he believed, that there is the scary part about these people, that it was 'for the better good.'
As for the declassification, that was because of laws. A whole bunch of files where opened up and vola, it happened to be one. No one thought 'you know what, lets release this document and that one but not that one.' No they released a whole box load of documents, many of them actually, of which this happened to be just one.
See, you, like a lot of the conspiracy nuts seem to think that the US government is one single, long and unbroken chain, of 'selected' people from a shadow puppet government that controls everything. Under such a system it would be reasonable to say that all governmental secrets would remain forever berried but we don't have that system. People are elected, the government changes hands and often things that are classified sit there, unknown what is in them, till the freedom of information act gets a hold of them.
Hell I would be willing to bet the people who could of maybe berried it for another dozen years, even in violation of law, didn't even know it existed prior to it's release.
In any case I brought Northwood up to disprove one thing - The myth that the US government would not target it's own people. The documents existence means they ALREADY HAVE! Yet here you are trying to say that the documents existence is evidence no one will ever think that way again... bulllll shiiiiit!
It wasn't made for a 'this is the master plan here people' argument, cause after all we didn't blame Cuba did we. Its existence proves that there are have been people in the government, and likely are still, that will have no qualms about killing US citizens for 'the greater good.' But you can continue to live in your little, strange, reality where human nature doesn't exist and all governmental organizations are incompetent beyond belief.
Now this shows you are even more delusional I think. I am NOTHING to these people, not even a blimp on the radar. You know, those devices they use to track planes. Hell, on the ladder of 'threats to the USA' I rate below 'global warming' and somewhere above 'earth worm plague.' You know what, hell, I would be willing to admit that the one nameless (I don't know it, but I think he must have one) guy who has did this is more worried about the earth worms then a single internet based political commenter.
