Crime out of control...

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ace_of_something

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Slayer_2 said:
Tip:
Carry two wallets, one with about $5-10 in it and expired credit cards and driver's license if such a thing is allowed in your state/country, also fill it with a small amount of clutter. Hand the dummy wallet when being mugged.
Nice idea, but what if they have you turn out your pockets or are even dumb enough to search you? Then you risk pissing them off.
speaking as a former police officer i can tell you they usually only ask you to turn out your pockets if you say "i don't have a wallet" or something like that. As far as patting you down, only once did this happen and in that case the victim knew the assailant who was looking for drugs not money.

You would think most criminals are unique and beautiful snowflakes but they're not like 24 out of 25 (a guess on my experience) follow the same methodology and motives.
 

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Fondant said:
orifice said:
Zac_Dai said:
Jursa said:
Until death sentence by torture for murder/attempted murder is introduced crime will prosper...
I think history would disagree.
I'm not so sure. The death sentence has an excellent record for preventing recidivism(100% I believe). And a quick flick through a history book will show lots of people who chose not to perpetrate further crimes after execution!


It also shows how ineffective it is in preventing crimes by others. Study: Stalinist russia, where crime usually meant death, or a jaunt in the prison camps, and yet the crime rate rose dramatically during Stalin's reign.
Well the crime rate in russia may have risen because the economy went to hell. Poverty is a big crime boost.
 

Corpse XxX

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No problem with crime where i am from..
Well, a couple of robberies u cannot get away from, but the cops knows who has done it almost even before it has happened.. The same 5 ppl over and over again.. lol..

we do have many drunk drivers,but so far in my 26 years of life, no one i know of has been killed in a dui accident..
 

Meanmoose

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Baby Tea said:
Two words: Krav Maga.
Learn that, buy a gun for your house, and feel a little safer.

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Meanmoose said:
Lukeydoodly said:
If you can, buy a gun.
Pointing a gun at armed robbers is a good way to get killed.
That's why you point and SHOOT.
Only if they are in your house, though. Not on the street, that's retarded.
very few criminals die that way, and when you consider how many guns there is in america....
Besides does burgulars deserve to die? Guns mostly make you feel safer. Its very dangerous shooting at numurous armed burglars. They might shoot back you see...

(your life or your posesions?)
 

orifice

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Meanmoose said:
Fondant said:
orifice said:
Zac_Dai said:
Jursa said:
Until death sentence by torture for murder/attempted murder is introduced crime will prosper...
I think history would disagree.
I'm not so sure. The death sentence has an excellent record for preventing recidivism(100% I believe). And a quick flick through a history book will show lots of people who chose not to perpetrate further crimes after execution!
It also shows how ineffective it is in preventing crimes by others. Study: Stalinist russia, where crime usually meant death, or a jaunt in the prison camps, and yet the crime rate rose dramatically during Stalin's reign.
Well the crime rate in russia may have risen because the economy went to hell. Poverty is a big crime boost.
Ah but lord fondant, I say to you study nazi germany. Criminal reforms by the nazi party made public execution the sentence for burglary. The crime figures for burglary in berlin dropped from thousands a year to just twelve a year in less than two years!
The death sentence is less of a detterent for murder because murder is the sort of crime that is only done by desperate, irrational, or otherwise imbalanced individuals.
But as the above example for burglary shows that some things are just not worth dying for, at least as far as the vast majority of people go.
In conclusion, I assert that the death sentence can be a very effective detterent when utilised properly, and on a sufficiently wide range of crimes.
*ducks under table to dodge incoming flames!*
 

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Our crime rate is just dandy. I mean, sure, there are buildings on fire, people killed and so on every single day, but we're still fine. Mostly. ...I just don't want criminals to come here. I have only a baton and a few knives to keep them away. And they already tried robbing my neighbour. Several times. And they stole his car radio. And a friend of mine got beaten with a baseball bat and had everything taken from him, except for clothes. And so on and so on. We have the Russian Mafia here. I've never seen more brutal beasts.
 

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Crime has actually had an overall decrase over the decades, that said, why don't you do something about it, start a neighboorhood watch or something.
 

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Jursa said:
Until death sentence by torture for murder/attempted murder is introduced crime will prosper...
Do you seriously believe that? Given it has been proven that the death penalty is not a deterrent to crime, given that those people who would be given the death penalty either do not believe that they will be caught or are wholly removed from the concept of consequences. It is also generally accepted that the problem with the death penalty is that it requires a costly legal spine (ensuring that innocent people are not handed this penalty) for a crime that will likely never be repeated.

Add to all that that torture has been proven to be an ineffective remedy to crime. When basic human needs were introduced into the prison system (in the 1800's prisons were dank and horrible places that saw prisoners regularly strung up and beaten) recidivism dropped by stupefyingly huge amounts, introducing counseling and social programs saw another huge decrease in recidivism and therefore crime in general.

We are fortunate to be living when we do, crime on a global scale is lower than it has ever been in history.

I wonder if the OP isn't exaggerating a bit, because he reads the paper's crime report daily. How many times have we heard how kids today are much worse than kids of the generation before? This is something that people have been saying for (literally) hundreds of years, kids can't be getting worse with every generation. Stories from laypersons about crime are always inaccurate.
 

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Sir Orifice, your point is most valid, however I feel your example fails to take the effect of background and society into account the issues. Given that both Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany both instituted similar, Draconian measures for crimes, then why do we find such a wild divergeance between the two?

Simple, really:

Hitler reduced poverty, disease, and squalor. Stalin did not. Given that the following are clear causes of criminality, especially crimes against property and the person, we must conclude that the solution lies not with the Draconian measures themselves, but rather with economic stimulus and social reform.


Aside from this, the two regimes are remarkably common. Both in essence rode other people's systems to power, both were intolerant and randomly violent, both were governed by a command economy (less so in Nazi Germany's case, though it was the command element that helped Hitler restore Germany), both nations lost the First World war and were subject to severe economci sanctions....the list goes on.
 

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Baby Tea said:
Meanmoose said:
Pointing a gun at armed robbers is a good way to get killed.
That's why you point and SHOOT.
Only if they are in your house, though. Not on the street, that's retarded.
Assuming you shoot straight, that the first bullet incapacitates him, that there is only one of them armed with a firearm and that you get to the trigger first.

If you fail in any of those variable the chances are your assailant is going to kill you. After all, you were going to shoot them, why shouldn't they?
 

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fix-the-spade said:
Baby Tea said:
Meanmoose said:
Pointing a gun at armed robbers is a good way to get killed.
That's why you point and SHOOT.
Only if they are in your house, though. Not on the street, that's retarded.
Assuming you shoot straight, that the first bullet incapacitates him, that there is only one of them armed with a firearm and that you get to the trigger first.

If you fail in any of those variable the chances are your assailant is going to kill you. After all, you were going to shoot them, why shouldn't they?

Whose to say that they weren't going to kill you even if you gave up or left them alone. Most burglars pull a runner when they see or hear a gun. After all is stealing really worth their life?

You having a gun gives you an edge, it may aggravate the situation but it also may avoid or end it. Its a gamble either way, but as for me I'd rather have a gun then not.
 

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Other than underage drinking, smoking and the occasional party brawl, there isn't much crime going down in my hood...
 

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Jursa said:
Until death sentence by torture for murder/attempted murder is introduced crime will prosper...
Uhm... I really don't think that a death sentence would help.
 

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It was really fucked up...

There is next to no crime in my town, but when there is it's usually something really bad.

A few years ago I was woken up by the sounds of a Land Rover driving through the door of the local Budgens. I could see it through my window. The dumb shits destroyed nearly everything inside so they failed to steal anything.

This last one really freaked me out, a girl got raped at the lake... Some Asian guy did it and they caught him but... I stay the fuck away from that place now...

Crime makes me want to live somewhere as far away from people as possible... But hey, I'm glad I don't live in America, you guys seem to get the worst of it.
 

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Meanmoose said:
Baby Tea said:
Two words: Krav Maga.
Learn that, buy a gun for your house, and feel a little safer.

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Meanmoose said:
Lukeydoodly said:
If you can, buy a gun.
Pointing a gun at armed robbers is a good way to get killed.
That's why you point and SHOOT.
Only if they are in your house, though. Not on the street, that's retarded.
very few criminals die that way, and when you consider how many guns there is in america....
Besides does burgulars deserve to die? Guns mostly make you feel safer. Its very dangerous shooting at numurous armed burglars. They might shoot back you see...

(your life or your posesions?)
Well if an armed robber has a gun, you can shoot them and just say you felt your life was threatened.

But in the street, I guess it IS retarded.
 

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PumpItUp said:
I live in Halifax, the second largest city in the Atlantic Provinces of Canada. And we have our own warring drug families. I'm not sure why I feel like this is good news but somehow, I get a sense of glee whenever they come up. I mean, a little city in the corner of the country have a DRUG WAR. That's awesome, in a twisted sort of way.

No civilian casualties by the way. It's mostly a bunch of guys from one family shooting at one guy from the other...and missing. A lot.
I live there too and I know EXACTLY which families you're talking about. In the news almost everyday for one reason or another.

Good to see another Haligonian on here by the way. ;)
 

Meanmoose

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Lukeydoodly said:
Meanmoose said:
Baby Tea said:
Two words: Krav Maga.
Learn that, buy a gun for your house, and feel a little safer.

EDIT:
Meanmoose said:
Lukeydoodly said:
If you can, buy a gun.
Pointing a gun at armed robbers is a good way to get killed.
That's why you point and SHOOT.
Only if they are in your house, though. Not on the street, that's retarded.
very few criminals die that way, and when you consider how many guns there is in america....
Besides does burgulars deserve to die? Guns mostly make you feel safer. Its very dangerous shooting at numurous armed burglars. They might shoot back you see...

(your life or your posesions?)
Well if an armed robber has a gun, you can shoot them and just say you felt your life was threatened.

But in the street, I guess it IS retarded.
I was not talking about the legal aspect. You fire at a burglar. You have three realistic options. Option 1. You miss he shoots at you and you die or get seriously injured. option 2. You kill him but his mates kill you. (now or later does not matter.) Option 3 you kill him and you recieve no retaliation.

Now if you dont shoot there are these are the most probable outcomes. Option 1 they steal your valubales. (if you have isurance I guess you are coverd i a way.) Option 2 they steal and kick your ass. However humiliating you dont die. Option 3. They steal your stuff and kill you. (This is highly unlickely because thives dont want to have murder charges on themselves. Besides the police spend alot of efort trying to catch murderers. I thought this was obviuos.)

They wich is the safest course? hmmmmm?