D&D is Devil Worship
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I would disagree with that point, actually (the $3000/hr vs $15/hr). Speaking as someone who is unemployed (no, I'm not lazy, I apply for every job I see that I have a hope in hell of getting/being able to do), I would much prefer the $3000 one. Happiness is all very well and good, but the bills need to be paid, and I don't have time to work 50 hours per week to pay those bills AND do university.Soushi said:
Just saying, money is not irrelevant, much though we would like it to be.
LOL.bakonslayer said:
((shrugs)) Im a messianic Jew. so my arguments against her would revolve around christianity's continued corruption. But the easiest thing you can do, is simply point out to her that SHE is not capable of saving anyone's soul. EVER. according to Judeo-Christian religion, only a contrite heart coming to God through Messiah saves a soul, and no living person can accomplish that except for themselves.
My second piece of advice would be to point out that everyone sins. that it is impossible not to sin in the eyes of God. (( I just read a book on this written by one of the most credible Rabbi's in history)) and that perhaps, her sin of arrogance and pride is no worse than your "sin" of playing D+D.
and no, i dont think it is a sin, Rpg's are like anything else, they can be good or bad. I run a game and my players are usually stalwart heroes of the land. except when they get reaaallllyyy pissed off at someone or something.
Uh, no Mormon I've ever met has said D&D is devil worship, and I'm Mormon. I've played D&D since I was 10 and have met a decent number of Mormons who also play. I think the word you were looking for is simply 'idiot'.JWAN said:
No her opinion is not valid. Shes a fucking idiot who should learn to mind her own fucking business and learn the difference between real and make believe.Allan53 said:
She had no justification whatsoever for her actions. I would have informed her that I'm agnostic and open to religious thought- but that she had ruined the idea of Christianity for me and that I was probably going to convert to Islam because of her actions.
As amusing as the "do it back to her in her own realm" suggestions are, you can get into far more trouble than what she could get into for what she did. Even if you do the EXACT same thing she did. The best approach I can see would have been to either ask "are you done?" or walk out in the middle of her "sermon".
Violence would just make things worse. Duplicating what she did would make it worse. Even if you don't get back at her you should still be the bigger person and just move on with your life.
The only thing I might agree with from the posts above me is the one mentioning talking to someone in charge of her "education" and letting them know she damaged your personal property. Don't demand repercussion, just let them know she's attacking people and let them deal with her over-zealousness. If they don't do anything or you don't know who to go to then find someone else in authority and let them know you're worried that she might do it again to someone who might actually hurt her. Just because she's a religious wacko doesn't mean you should want to see injury come to her.
Violence would just make things worse. Duplicating what she did would make it worse. Even if you don't get back at her you should still be the bigger person and just move on with your life.
The only thing I might agree with from the posts above me is the one mentioning talking to someone in charge of her "education" and letting them know she damaged your personal property. Don't demand repercussion, just let them know she's attacking people and let them deal with her over-zealousness. If they don't do anything or you don't know who to go to then find someone else in authority and let them know you're worried that she might do it again to someone who might actually hurt her. Just because she's a religious wacko doesn't mean you should want to see injury come to her.
I actually had something similiar except instead of D&D it was yu gi oh(sp?) cards my mom took me into church and a pastor and all that crap, I got rid of them because back then I wasn't confrontational, alot different now, alot of people are morons and should be added to the depopulation list.
There was no proper justification for what she did, absolute F for procedure and intent. All she accomplished was further the stereotype that Christians are insane thumpers. I know plenty of reasonable Christians, and it sucks when people like this come along and make them look bad (I'm agnostic)Allan53 said:
you sir are a better man than me, at this point blood would most likely have been spilled or at best i would have used my 'raised by a drill instructor been on parades themselves' bellow and hurled them bodily out of the building. Also i happen to know some pagans of my own age who are rather hot headed and would love an excuse to give fundamentalist christians what-for with a little raid in response to get hassled at school etc.Soushi said:
I will argue that her statement are not defendable this way. There are two types of religious filosofy: 1) religious filosofy, 2) Good religious filosofy (And yes, there is a types. The difference being in religious filosofy you can practicly say whatever you want and say it's filosofy. But the valuble stuff is in Good filosofy wich have standards. the 3 most important ones are -consistensy. -koherence (I think thats how you write it)and- argument.
If this christians argumants are of the kind that has been thrown at DnD for years than it's the kind that is easely declared irational. Irational arguments are not good arguments. When arguments are not good, then the standard for what is good filosofy is not met. Therefore her proclaimation is of the same filosofical value as the rambling of a drunk five-year-old.
If this christians argumants are of the kind that has been thrown at DnD for years than it's the kind that is easely declared irational. Irational arguments are not good arguments. When arguments are not good, then the standard for what is good filosofy is not met. Therefore her proclaimation is of the same filosofical value as the rambling of a drunk five-year-old.
just... what the fuck? I mean....WHAT? I just can't start to grasp the concept of dnd being devil worship.I mean where does this come from? What started this, and do they have some convincing evidence(more then some quotes made out of context).
I must say that my worst experinace with dnd was as DM, killing one of the characters. never really DM'ed since.
I must say that my worst experinace with dnd was as DM, killing one of the characters. never really DM'ed since.
The argument from the Christian community seems to stem from the ability to play as "evil" characters, in addition to the "polytheism = evil" argument. There are also sprinkles of "games of chance" and the idea of the DM as a "god." This sometimes devolves into the "evil = devil worship" argument, and is merely from a lack of understanding.
When confronted for playing D&D, I often argue that Monopoly is more like devil worship.
Christianity has a semi-rigid ideal of the benevolence of the common man, which is a lot more in line with D&D than they sometimes think. A good DM will use his godlike power to teach your character (and sometimes the players) that life is filled with consequence. If you die because you stumbled into a Lich's hideout, it's both bad luck and your own damn fault for poking around looking for loot. Similarly, playing as an "evil" character doesn't necessitate worship of evil gods, but rather indicates a character's nature to defy the laws deemed "good." Evil campaigns rarely last more than a few sessions before everyone dies, or kills each other. This is because the game is balanced toward a "good" playing style. Being a team player means your team wins.
Monopoly, on the other hand, has always been the source of an unreasonable argument about the selfishness of others in my experience. Often, the game ends with one person wielding godlike power over the other, who winds up tossing the board in the air with much anger. It also encourages selfishness, since there can be only one winner of the game. It is also a game of chance, and is essentially a game of money worship. Seems to fly in the face of Christian "family values," yet Monopoly is marketed as a family game.
When confronted for playing D&D, I often argue that Monopoly is more like devil worship.
Christianity has a semi-rigid ideal of the benevolence of the common man, which is a lot more in line with D&D than they sometimes think. A good DM will use his godlike power to teach your character (and sometimes the players) that life is filled with consequence. If you die because you stumbled into a Lich's hideout, it's both bad luck and your own damn fault for poking around looking for loot. Similarly, playing as an "evil" character doesn't necessitate worship of evil gods, but rather indicates a character's nature to defy the laws deemed "good." Evil campaigns rarely last more than a few sessions before everyone dies, or kills each other. This is because the game is balanced toward a "good" playing style. Being a team player means your team wins.
Monopoly, on the other hand, has always been the source of an unreasonable argument about the selfishness of others in my experience. Often, the game ends with one person wielding godlike power over the other, who winds up tossing the board in the air with much anger. It also encourages selfishness, since there can be only one winner of the game. It is also a game of chance, and is essentially a game of money worship. Seems to fly in the face of Christian "family values," yet Monopoly is marketed as a family game.
could you have said fuck a few more times? sorry.Arcane Azmadi said:
OT: I don't think that anything where you FIGHT DEMONS AND DEVILS AND SHIT is devil worship. I saw resident evil got yelled at by some religious group, that wasn't christian or Muslim for a change, saying that even thought you fight the army's of darkness and kill evil for breakfast, that the game was promoting about six kinds of devil worship, which is weird saying that most of the devil worshipers in the game are then shot to death by a chia pet left on top of a fridge. D&D is an old target and probably won't stop being one. And where were you where there was a Christian club?