If you're actually seventeen I would suggest working on your communication skills.Dramerc said:
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.....honestly? I'm not one for guns, and think they need to be much more controlled. But that? That was perfect. Kids these days are as disrespectful as fucking anything. And sometimes you need some absolute shock value to even get their attention. I have not one problem with anything in that video, and 100% agree with everything the guy said.
.....honestly? I'm not one for guns, and think they need to be much more controlled. But that? That was perfect. Kids these days are as disrespectful as fucking anything. And sometimes you need some absolute shock value to even get their attention. I have not one problem with anything in that video, and 100% agree with everything the guy said.
I dunno. If you needed to send a strong message to someone, a head on a pike is a much clearer indicator that you mean business than an anonymous charitable donation.nikki191 said:
Also, he kinda has to blame HIMSELF for the way his daughter turned out. Where do you think she LEARNED to be so disrespectful? Her parents. At least he's trying to put a stop to her behavior now instead of letting her grow up as spoiled as she is.
Eh using a GUN to promote a point is kind of over kill.
But his daughter is a bit of a twit really.
In all honesty parents are not really left with many options today it seems.
You try and actually parent your kid and suddenly the whole world comes down on you for being cruel.
But his daughter is a bit of a twit really.
In all honesty parents are not really left with many options today it seems.
You try and actually parent your kid and suddenly the whole world comes down on you for being cruel.
So many people come out with shit like this, are you all really saying that you're unable to bring up children without destroying property? There are people who genuinely can't think of any way to bring up a child without vindictive, over-the-top punishments for minor offences?tmande2nd said:
Personally, I think we should bring back beating children, spice it up a bit, give people options. It's the next logical step if we're going to 'give parents more options' I mean why not use force to correct mild misdemeanour? Makes sense right? -.-
See this is a subject on which I sit on the fence. On one hand, I can support %100 what he's trying to achieve: disciplining his daughter for breaking the law of the home, of which he and his wife are basically God. I agree that you don't take guff like her's as a parent, test the boundries all you like just don't get too shocked when the electric fence gets you.Signa said:
My issue is the method. Airing your dirty laundry in public like this is poor form in my opinion. Also, declaration of bias: I'm an Aussie, so limited gun exposure. I find the idea of using a weapon to prove a point when punishing your child for stepping out of line, kinda fucked.
Honestly, if he'd stripped her room of every luxury item and thrown the laptop into a trash compactor, I'd pretty much be with him all the way. I just think using the gun was distasteful, has done nothing other than provoked the wrong kind of debate and put his fellow gun owners under even further scrutiny because he has misused his rights.
It wasnt entitled rich people in the riots. It wasnt spoiled brats in the riots. It was poor lower class teens ages 14-18 who live in council flats and decide they need better stuff, this girl isnt even an example because she owned a laptop to shoot at. I despise the rioters. I think they deserve the harshest of harsh punishments. I dont think hitting your kids will help stop those poor kids being parented poorly. You gotta be a good parent AND deal out fair punishement. If Mrs Council Flat is spitting out kid number 14 and drinking/smoking her face off while screaming at the other 13 thats rioter material in the making, and hitting them on top wont do jack shit to stop them from becoming the next generations problem.Dramerc said:
Of course anyone who disgrees with a public display of humiliation for a child is a liberal... Apparently. She wouldnt have rioted, look at all the chores she did for her father? I bet the rioters never knew dicipline like that. Not even close. And as a matter of fact us "liberals" are not why England is "in hell" as you put it. Im all for punishing kids where punishment is deserved, im all for harsh scentences for riots. I dont think hitting the kids or being HARSHER to kids who are already living harsh shitty lives will make them not want to riot. At all.
That said a smarter and more reasonable thing to do would be to go down to the hopsital and hand off the laptop to a sick kid. Thats a better lesson than destroying it. "You earn the things I buy for you by treating me with respect, what makes you inherently more entitled to that laptop than the little kid whos sick?" I think that sends a better message. And seems a little less crazy.
This. Totally what this man said. It makes no difference, no one was hurt, no one COULD have been hurt. Problem? I see none.mad825 said:
Nawh, most teenagers go through a disrespecting stage and the like reguardless of how they've been brought up. So while he could take some of the blame, I doubt most/all of it would rest with him.Syzygy23 said:
I feel sorry for that damn kid, she's going to be talk of the town for months where she lives...
News Flash: EVERY GENERATION OF YOUNG PEOPLE ARE DISRESPECTFUL TO THEIR PARENTS. This has nothing to do with the post millennial generation being different somehow. Evolutionarily biologists even have an explanation as to why this is.Dramerc said:
And thanks for proving that the American Education system is shit.
First, I know everyone on the site has voiced every opinion possible on this subject. I'm just throwing in my two cents.
If my daughter had, several times, wasted my money and treated me like a slave driver despite a fair amount of leniency and a moderate amount of familial responsibility, and slandered me many times in public, she would deserve the loss of privileges. If she had done this with the laptop I bought her, maintained for her, and put an unnecessary amount of love and effort into, then she would deserve to lose it. The strongest way of doing this would be to destroy it in a way that she could not ignore. Whether by gun, knife through the screen, torching, snapping it in half, or smashing it, thhe same message is conveyed; "you will not be doing this shit again, since your computer is dead."
All the problem with the tool of destruction being a gun is really a pointless nitpick. The gun was fired into the ground, in an isolated area, into a stationary unliving target. A hammer would have done the same damn thing, except minus the cost of bullets. I go target practicing all the time, and have even shot up old CRT TVs and PC monitors. While angry, he did not go ballistic. No one was hurt, no one could have gotten hurt. He wasted money by firing those rounds, but that was his choice. The only rationality behind the shooting itself being reprehensible I can possibly think of is the "Oh no, guns! Once those things come out, they can't be sheathed again until they taste blood! RUN!!!" argument I hear so often coming up in the gun control debate. No, the issue at hand should be whether it was wrong to post his punishment of his daughter on YouTube, or even whether destroying her laptop was wrong. And that is simply the difference between accountability-based parenting that focuses on consequences for misdeeds and... that other kind of parenting that teaches that the child can never be punished with more than a dissatisfied look. Could he have simply pawned off the laptop? Yes, yes he could have. Could he have simply not posted the video online? Once again, yes.
Also, a lot of you seem to actually believe the girl's facebook post about having to do all that housekeeping. For you all, ignnore the above post since in your eyes the dad is wrong anyway and just did something even worse.
If my daughter had, several times, wasted my money and treated me like a slave driver despite a fair amount of leniency and a moderate amount of familial responsibility, and slandered me many times in public, she would deserve the loss of privileges. If she had done this with the laptop I bought her, maintained for her, and put an unnecessary amount of love and effort into, then she would deserve to lose it. The strongest way of doing this would be to destroy it in a way that she could not ignore. Whether by gun, knife through the screen, torching, snapping it in half, or smashing it, thhe same message is conveyed; "you will not be doing this shit again, since your computer is dead."
All the problem with the tool of destruction being a gun is really a pointless nitpick. The gun was fired into the ground, in an isolated area, into a stationary unliving target. A hammer would have done the same damn thing, except minus the cost of bullets. I go target practicing all the time, and have even shot up old CRT TVs and PC monitors. While angry, he did not go ballistic. No one was hurt, no one could have gotten hurt. He wasted money by firing those rounds, but that was his choice. The only rationality behind the shooting itself being reprehensible I can possibly think of is the "Oh no, guns! Once those things come out, they can't be sheathed again until they taste blood! RUN!!!" argument I hear so often coming up in the gun control debate. No, the issue at hand should be whether it was wrong to post his punishment of his daughter on YouTube, or even whether destroying her laptop was wrong. And that is simply the difference between accountability-based parenting that focuses on consequences for misdeeds and... that other kind of parenting that teaches that the child can never be punished with more than a dissatisfied look. Could he have simply pawned off the laptop? Yes, yes he could have. Could he have simply not posted the video online? Once again, yes.
Also, a lot of you seem to actually believe the girl's facebook post about having to do all that housekeeping. For you all, ignnore the above post since in your eyes the dad is wrong anyway and just did something even worse.
It's actually not that big of a deal here in America. Using a gun on an inanimate object? No harm no foul. Using a gun on a person? Call da po-po.Gordon_4 said:
It's like if Cthulhu lived on your street corner. It would be mind breakingly terrifying at first, but after about a week you learn to deal with it and it's suddenly not such a big shocker.
Well that was just very stupid and immature on the dad's part I have to say. Making a whole video to show the world is a bit overboard. How about confronting your daughter in the privacy of your own home instead of shouting it out to the whole world along with destroying the laptop with a firearm. That just seems stupid to me. Also I'm among those in America who believe that the only time you should be able to handle a firearm is when you are in some position of authority. Or have had the proper training and they should never be used to prove a point to your 15 year old daughter who could have gotten your point if you just spoke to her like a person.
I get that you're mad dude, but seriously shooting the laptop was overboard.
I get that you're mad dude, but seriously shooting the laptop was overboard.
That's completely insane. How's the daughter going to watch that youtube video without a computer? The father obviously hasn't thought it through.
