Death (sort of depressing)

[Astoria]

Lets make a couple improvements shall we and see if the argument still holds.

Treatment for cancer is expensive shit.
Which would you prefer: Your mother suffers through multiple chemo sessions with little hope of improving, or gets put down quickly and painlessly.

This was the more humane choice.

Yup, not so humane now huh. And is cost still a factor if it comes to saving your loved one?

That is a completely different issue so don't drag that into a thread where someone is seeking comfort.

 

[steampunk42]

i own 4 dogs...and used to work at the local zoo as a volenteer. something that always got to me was people saying that animals dont feel, that they are just sacks of meat ment to serve humans...guy who said that got beat by me and my brother. every time one of our dogs has been hit by a car...they always stuck around long enough till we had hugged it and said good bye. sometimes for days afterwards the other animals on the farm would act like they were in a state of mourning or depression...ive seen to many animals act too human to beleive they dont feel like us.

 

[hyperhammy]

Oh, and a tip? If somone had their beloved pet dog that they grew up with put down yesterday...don't tell them that they gave up. That's pretty fucking cruel.

Thanks...

Firstly, I'm sorry to hear that your dog had to be put down.

I had to go through the same thing with mine not too long ago. We had two westies, one young one called Tess who had to be put down on my birthday when the vet diagnosed her with such advanced diabetes there was no hope for her. She'd spent the entire week before this being so depressed (isn't it strange how dogs can also get depressed?). The other one, Misty, was already very old and had to be put down a week later with multiple issues. She was the runt of the litter, so not a massive surprise.

Then my Dad died when I was about 6 years old, so never knew him. My grandad passed away about 3-4 years ago, and my step-nan (who we only found out wasn't our real nan after she passed) about 4 weeks later.

Not to mention my best friend committing suicide 2 years ago.

There's not many of my family left now... *live every day to the fullest*

I'm really sorry, seems like you went through a lot...
but I guess it has to happen to everyone someday.

 

[BonsaiK]

My question to you guys is: Have you ever had an encounter with death inside the family or pets?

All my parents and grandparents are dead from natural causes. Several people I know have suicided including my partner from about six years ago, and one very recently, also various business acquaintances have either died or reduced their brains to a vegetative state through drug abuse and might as well be dead, really. Never had any pets die on me though, except some guinea pigs when I was little but I don't remember that. Currently I have two cats and they will never die.

 

[sheogoraththemad]

my cat, we found him in a bush after several days, he couldn't walk any more and had a stomach infection so we put him to sleep too

 

[hyperhammy]

i own 4 dogs...and used to work at the local zoo as a volenteer. something that always got to me was people saying that animals dont feel, that they are just sacks of meat ment to serve humans...guy who said that got beat by me and my brother. every time one of our dogs has been hit by a car...they always stuck around long enough till we had hugged it and said good bye. sometimes for days afterwards the other animals on the farm would act like they were in a state of mourning or depression...ive seen to many animals act too human to beleive they dont feel like us.

I know what you're saying... my dog could always read my emotions...
when I was sad, he would come up to me and just sort of keep me company...
When I was happy, so was she...

 

[EmzOLV]

I'm really sorry, seems like you went through a lot...
but I guess it has to happen to everyone someday.

Exactly! I don't treat myself any differently to someone else (although I guess a few years of therapy were required when I was growing up but that was nothing).

The only people who make things more sad are the people you tell, or who are sympathetic. I have almost gotten used to people dying, I know it's going to happen, I know I will lose more of my friends and family. And it doesn't get easier but I'm aware of it. I know that this is something that had to happen and although it was sad, it can be beneficial in that I know more or less how to be there for my friends when it happens to them.

It does get easier. It just shows you how short life can really be!

 

[JoJo Bizzaro 7]

Pleading with you? No non-human animal knows what death is or could ever express any form of suicidal thought. They simply aren't self-aware or capable of such comprehension.

I would like to see such proof.
Until I do, I would like to say one thing to you: Stop talking out of your ass. That's my thing.

 

[Astoria]

To some people, yes.
My family couldn't afford things like that. She would tell me that herself, if she weren't already fucking dead.

Memo to me. NEVER get sick around you...

Me: *cough cough* Its just a cold!
You: Aww come on now, dont be scared. Lets just take a little walk behind this barn.
Me: Uhh... whats the shotgun for...

IVE SEEN OLD YELLER! ;_________;

That is a completely different issue

Its really not. When I got my kitten I accepted him into my family. Hes not just a random mobile toy to me. He actually has a personality and I would go to the same lengths to protect him as I would any of my blood.

You are comparing the putting down of pets with euthansia so yeah I'd say that's a completely different issue.

 

[JoJo Bizzaro 7]

To some people, yes.
My family couldn't afford things like that. She would tell me that herself, if she weren't already fucking dead.

Memo to me. NEVER get sick around you...

Me: *cough cough* Its just a cold!
You: Aww come on now, dont be scared. Lets just take a little walk behind this barn.
Me: Uhh... whats the shotgun for...

IVE SEEN OLD YELLER! ;_________;

Oh, don't be so silly. I'd never do anyhing like that! Now, come with me to the basem- "friendship center" so I can shoo- "show" you in the FUCKING HEAD.

/maniacal laughter

 

[Astoria]

You are comparing the putting down of pets with euthansia so yeah I'd say that's a completely different issue.

How so? You are still killing a creature, a member of your family no less, to "save it from pain"
Exact same principle.

No, not exact same principle. As someone has previously mentioned animals are unable to understand the concept of death so if they were to realise that something was happening to them this would terrify them however humans are capable of understand death so they are able to think about what course of action they would like to take. With animals there is a whole other side to the problem so don't try to combine them.

 

[bak00777]

my dog almost had to be put down February 2009. She was hit by a car, the bastard didnt even stop. I was really torn up because i blamed myself, i was supposed to shovel the snow off the driveway but i was busy so my dad did it and he took to dog, because she listens to him more than anyone else.
luckly they were able to set the bone, but i still think that if i wouldnt had been a lil douche and shovel the snow myself she wouldnt had been hit.

Seven years ago my grandfather lost his battle with cancer. It didnt hit be atfirst, but as we pulled away from the church on our way to the cemetary it hit it. Now every once in a while i like to eat the brand chips and ginger ale he always stocked in his house and think about him.

 

[Astoria]

No, not exact same principle. As someone has previously mentioned animals are unable to understand the concept of death so if they were to realise that something was happening to them this would terrify them however humans are capable of understand death so they are able to think about what course of action they would like to take. With animals there is a whole other side to the problem so don't try to combine them.

Except for the fact that most of the time when it comes to "euthanizing" someone its because they are in so much pain or are so sick they have no clue whats going on anyway.
All I am saying is, the type of person who would put down their pets without exhausting all options first is the exact type of person I will never, ever, put in charge of my healthcare.

And who says he didn't? Putting down a pet is one of the hardest decisions people ever have to make and it is not one that people make easily.

 

[ActivatorX]

You killed your dog because it was diagnosed with cancer?

Treatment would probably be a better solution, but whatever.

Treatment for doggie cancer is expensive shit.
Which would you prefer: The dog suffers through multiple chemo sessions with little hope of improving, or gets put down quickly and painlessly.

This was the more humane choice.

I suppose, if your idea of humane is giving up.

Right, and it's just as humane to watch your dog crawl around in pain. It's also just as humane to be selfish and try to keep your pet alive, when you can clearly see it's suffering tremendously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOAcRKZxjy4
Take a look at that short video, and tell me what you would do, oh wise one.

 

[Weaver]

You killed your dog because it was diagnosed with cancer?

Treatment would probably be a better solution, but whatever.

Treatment for doggie cancer is expensive shit.
Which would you prefer: The dog suffers through multiple chemo sessions with little hope of improving, or gets put down quickly and painlessly.

This was the more humane choice.

I suppose, if your idea of humane is giving up.

Good thing your family rolls around with $40,000 in spare cash for extensive cancer treatments on animals. Most don't.

 

[hyperhammy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOAcRKZxjy4
Take a look at that short video, and tell me what you would do, oh wise one.

I haven't cried like I just did seeing that video in a looooong time... =,(

 

[Ralen-Sharr]

Unfortunately when some pets get old, they just aren't strong enough for treatment. I had a cat that was legally old enough to vote and smoke, he got cancer, which may or may not have been treatable, but he wasn't strong enough to survive the treatment.