Death (sort of depressing)

[ryai458]

I have had pets die its no big deal just an animal.

 

[Vetinarii]

So get back to me when you get your facts straight

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2004/04/27/1081903.htm

I did your research for you.

I accept your apology. Thank you.

I did my homework too so read the other posts and quit being a pretentious dick

"I accept your apology now"

you're griefing someone who lost a loved one

you get no apology

what you will get is a crap-load of people mad at you until eventually a moderator will step in

but seriously you really have no brain at all do you?

quoting random sources without doing EXTENSIVE research?

just going by blatant incorrect statements like "Animals never committed suicide ever"
and "animals are not capable of compassion or feeling" (yes that one might be out of context I don't have time to sift through your crap again)

really stop trying to justify your crap

you're hurting someone who lost something

and now you're arguing with someone who values humans life less then dirt about it

just say you're sorry and leave the thread (not to me, to the original poster, I could care less about what people think of me)

on a side note I'm pretty sure everyone here (except you obviously) thinks you're being a massive idiotic douche (in lack of a better more intelligent word; I'm rather rushed at the moment)

RIGHT PEOPLE?!

*cough* that is all I'm off to my robotics class now, be back in 2 hours
need to fix the giant robot dog we have *sigh*

One I think you are wrong about the Lemmings. YET I think Pirate Kitty has no reason to carry on griefing. In my opinion (of which it holds no real value) Dog 0 - 1 Me. I lost my cat a while ago I find the best way to deal with it is to laugh about it. Oh and if that eutinasia argument comes up again... not allowed to kill humans... there is a law! If that law wasn't there then I wouldn't be helping people to commit suicide... (/manic laughter)

 

[Angerwing]

You killed your dog because it was diagnosed with cancer?

Treatment would probably be a better solution, but whatever.

Treatment for doggie cancer is expensive shit.
Which would you prefer: The dog suffers through multiple chemo sessions with little hope of improving, or gets put down quickly and painlessly.

This was the more humane choice.

I suppose, if your idea of humane is giving up.

If not giving up means the creature I care about suffers more pain than it would if I let it die calmly and without pain, then it deserves to be given up on.
I've been through this. I've seen the pathetic look my dog gave me. I saw the pain he was barely enduring. I've seen the look he gave me begging- PLEADING for me to end it.
Don't give me that giving up shit. What the fuck else was I supposed to do?

Pleading with you? No non-human animal knows what death is or could ever express any form of suicidal thought. They simply aren't self-aware or capable of such comprehension.

Yet they are, in your mind, sentient enough to want to hang on to the last shreds of a miserable and painful life at all costs? I'm sorry, your view is internally inconsistent.

Either animals can "want to live" AND "want to die," or they have no opinion either way except for in-the-moment instinctive reactions to avoid things like starvation, predators, and cars.

This guy did exactly what he should have. For one, it was NOT. TREATABLE. I'm sorry, but they just don't have the same kind of hyper-advanced treatments for animals as they do for people. Blame veterinary science, if you must.

Moving on, the animal would have been suffering. And the family would have had to watch it suffer. And, frankly, it's better to remember the animal as it was when it was happy, than to remember watching it decay while still lurching around the house and vomiting everywhere.

But no, go ahead. Take the halfway-high-road. Ascribe all of the personality characteristics that you see as positive to animals... but ignore the possibility of any you deem negative. If you believe animals can feel pain, you ought to believe animals can suffer. And if you'd rather have them suffer just so you can feel all high-and-mighty, you're incredibly selfish.

Quoted for fucking truth. Pirate Kitty, I know you've read a lot of the comments, and responded to them in your smartass manner, but I noticed you overlooked this one. Please take another look. If you don't, I think we can all safely assume that you're too much of a soulless beast to do anything but troll someone who just lost a beloved pet.

A) He clearly didn't make the decision.
B) If the cancer spread throughout the system, there is nothing that could be done.
C) Even a tiny shot would cost tens of thousands. Something which only the wealthiest (or most dog-obsessed) would be able to afford.

 

[Celtic_Kerr]

No non-human animal has ever committed suicide. Ever. Never happened. Ever.

EEEHHH. Wrong. Dolphins in captivity have been known to simply hold their breath until they die.
One notable case, the dolphin who played the part of Flipper. Look it up.

Also, dogs who spend their time being treated as little more than dress-up dolls tend to live significantly shorter lives, just because they lack the will to keep living through that crap.
You know the kind. The ones with the owners that talk in baby-talk almost exclusively and fork out hundreds of dollars to buy little frilly dresses for their clearly unhappy pets.
They also sometimes just stop eating to get out of it. Can't think of any notable cases, but I'm sure you'd find something if you searched hard enough.

But continue as you are, who am I to deprive a lady of her trolling.

one word

Lemmings

EDIT: see later posts before quoting my lemmings comment

UNfortunately I must state you wonr gon this account. Lemmings don't actually throw themselves off cliffs in mass suicide as is believe. Lemmings breed by the hundreds. The multiply quickly. When they migrate, they usually run along to find a new place big enough for them, but there are so many that lot of them simply get bumped off the cliffs by their neighbors, or they can't take a turn in time. I did a massive project on them

EDIT: Unfortunately did not see the EDIT. sorry for the repetitive quote

 

[Angerwing]

You say animals don't commit suicide?

True they don't get depressed and die (like all these weak sorry excuses for animals called "humans")

Oh, and you have a profound, and frankly, immensely insulting misunderstanding of what Depression is. How about a little fucking education before you say stuff like that, mmk? Depression is caused by chemical imbalances and deep-seated emotional instabilities. It's not a sign of weakness.

 

[iLikeHippos]

Life's about cutting bonds dude. It's blunt, evil and probably not what you wanna hear, but it's good to know.

Just don't think about it, man. Only bad energy seeps from the ideas in your head.

 

[firedfns13]

My dog was put to sleep yesterday after being diagnosed with cancer...
This has really gotten me down, since I grew up with this dog, and now he's gone.
I couldn't even say goodbye, since a friend of my family was watching over him...
Sorry if I'm getting you guys down. My question to you guys is: Have you ever had an encounter with death inside the family or pets?
Edit: Treatment wasn't an option. It was a form of cancer that was inherited from his dad...
she was 12 years old and the cancer has spread far beyond being treatable.
Basicly every organ was infected.

*hug*

Same story here a few years ago, except instead of penny having stayed with friends, my mom took her to the vet the day after thanksgiving before everyone woke up. :'(

At least they're chilling out on the picnic table sunbathing in heaven now. Or sitting in their chair staring out the window.

 

[Megalodon]

Sympathies, this thread is bloody sad.
Had to put one of my dogs down back at easter, can't adequately convey how crap I felt. Helps to have another dog.
Thread needs pics.

Spoiler

The one on the right was mine. The other two were our friend's. Both also now put down

My other dog

My dog with our friend's new one

Dunno what's up with the size of the last one.

 

[hyperhammy]

Sorry for your loss and derailment of your thread OP.

Eh shit happens... guess trolls gonna troll.
I also realised something, I was feeling guilty about having given her away 2 years ago, but I realised that it was the best thing for her. We got older and couldn't spend as much time with her, but she was also getting older, and needed a place where she could hang loose, sit on the couch, sleep in a bed.
I was also depressed about not being able to say goodbye, but at least I don't have to deal with her sickimage and can just remember the good times.

 

[archvile93]

So get back to me when you get your facts straight

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2004/04/27/1081903.htm

I did your research for you.

I accept your apology. Thank you.

Okay that's certainly true, but that's only one case. It might not necessarily apply to othr species that are most likely smarter than a rodent. Regardless this argument is irrelevent since the dog's cancer was untreatable, as in it was doomed, done for, going to die soon as inevitably as a politician's brain is the size of a marble and twice as smooth. Chemo treatments would have only cost large sums of money and would not have saved the dog anyway. It is unlikely it would have even slowed down its cancer. In the end, the only thing it would accomplish is to make the suffering even more unbearable.

 

[loremazd]

So get back to me when you get your facts straight

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2004/04/27/1081903.htm

I did your research for you.

I accept your apology. Thank you.

Pirate Kitty, could you please just leave this thread?
No one is looking for a fight here. You're being pretty upsetting!

It's not a fight.

Someone said something wrong and claimed I didn't do my research.

I proved them wrong.

No fight.

I think the idea is that you should leave the thread because you kicked a guy when he's down and continued to defend that belief. There comes a time when it comes to euthanasia where the owner keeps the pet alive to make -themselves- feel better. I saw it with my aunt and uncle, whos dog could not stand anymore because of the intense pain.

For a dog it is simple, they are living in pain. For a human it's simple, they cannot afford to take the dog out of pain.

So the dog will be in pain because of people judging them for killing a family member and they can't deal with it.

 

[loremazd]

Also, my condolences, let yourself grieve, it'll feel bad for awhile, but take heart, you gave the creature a warm life full of love, fun, food, and happiness.

There is nothing more any creature should want in this life.

 

[Darkgoosey666]

My dog was put to sleep yesterday after being diagnosed with cancer...
This has really gotten me down, since I grew up with this dog, and now he's gone.
I couldn't even say goodbye, since a friend of my family was watching over him...
Sorry if I'm getting you guys down. My question to you guys is: Have you ever had an encounter with death inside the family or pets?
Edit: Treatment wasn't an option. It was a form of cancer that was inherited from his dad...
she was 12 years old and the cancer has spread far beyond being treatable.
Basicly every organ was infected.

sorry for your loss mate, but i guess its for the best isnt it? i mean twelve is a good age for a dog to live to, so he had a great life and it ended before he went through too much pain.

I lost my favorite dog, he was poisoned. horrible way for a dog to die. it takes a long time and is agonizing for them.

best wishes man.

 

[Lydius_Winters]

You killed your dog because it was diagnosed with cancer?

Treatment would probably be a better solution, but whatever.

Treatment for doggie cancer is expensive shit.
Which would you prefer: The dog suffers through multiple chemo sessions with little hope of improving, or gets put down quickly and painlessly.

This was the more humane choice.

Funnily the humane choice is rarely applicable to humans.
Just a thought.
Lost 2 of my grandparents a year or so ago.

 

[bruunwald]

We all have to face this eventually. There is no right way or wrong way to handle it, though hopefully we each keep some measure of dignity when it comes. In any case, nobody can tell you how you should act or feel. My feeling is we need to be sad all we need to, but should try not to want to. And don't forget what was good about those you've lost.

At forty now, I've lost many pets, my father, an uncle, a grandmother, and even some old schoolmates. My old roommate's ex committed suicide. Some deaths hurt us more than others personally, but the important thing to remember is that they hurt somebody somewhere worst of all, even if it's not us.

People matter. Life matters. Even out here on a small world in the middle of a big black expanse.

 

[demoman_chaos]

My best friend died in a car wreck because he was arguing with his wife (they were married for less than a month after dating for only a few months at most because he wanted to get married before shipping out) while driving a fairly quick car in a rainstorm. Then the ***** ran off with all his death benefits (twas in the Marines but wasn't deployed yet) and left his family (I knew him and his family literally my whole life) to pay for the funeral and everything. If there was ever anyone I would actually brutally torture to death, it would be her.

 

[ZydrateDealer]

You killed your dog because it was diagnosed with cancer?

Treatment would probably be a better solution, but whatever.

Treatment for doggie cancer is expensive shit.
Which would you prefer: The dog suffers through multiple chemo sessions with little hope of improving, or gets put down quickly and painlessly.

This was the more humane choice.

Nope it wasn't because we don't treat humans that way. Sorry gran your 79, you've had a good run...we don't wanna pay the doctor's bills so we just thought we'd give you a lethal injection instead. However given that this is a gentle way to die why don't we treat humans this way? :/