Democrat, Republican, or Sanity

[shadow skill]

I know if you aren't from the United States you probably will hate me for posting this, but the fact that 200,000 Germans ended up attending Obama's "world visits" kinda makes me pause just a little bit.

Nobody would fault me for saying that "Germany has to do right by Germany", or "Great Britain has to do right by Great Britain", so would anybody fault me for saying that any presidential candidate should hold America's best interests FIRST and not the world's????

My sentiments exactly, bravo for your choice of words.(have a cookie)

Agreed. So many people forget that the President is little more than a figure head who's only real power is the power to Veto. That being said, people also forget that when the democrats took control of Congress/Senate in 2006, they did so under the promise of cheap energy. As soon as they take over, the exact opposite happened. They didn't cause the energy/$ crysis, but they didn't do what they promised, when they had the power to actually help.

So, it really doesn't matter who you vote for for pres, but I think that the senate/congress sould go back to the Republicans. As for prez though, I would vote for the one most suited for the job, not the most popular on TV. Pretty obvious who that is.

You realize that he republicans are still able to block legislation by fillibustering. What makes you think that Obama doesn't have America's interests at heart?

 

[shadow skill]

Republican, yes, I said it, I'm a republican, under 50, on the internet. I just find it scary that Obama's idea of helping us with the gas problem is to "Wait for gas to get to 10-15 dollars a gallon so we're forced to switch to alternative fuel." I also could never stand by a candidate who supports abortion (my mom suffered two miscarriages because she couldn't afford to go to the doctor and anyone who says its right to make not only the baby, but the mother suffer through that is wrong).

How is it his plan to wait for gas to get to 10-15 dollars? What does the medical procedure of abortion have to do with miscarriage? Are you saying it is appropriate to make a girl or woman who has been raped carry the child to term?

 

[nmmoore13]

How is it his plan to wait for gas to get to 10-15 dollars? What does the medical procedure of abortion have to do with miscarriage? Are you saying it is appropriate to make a girl or woman who has been raped carry the child to term?

Well you see, gas is what they call a "non-renewable resource" as supply goes down, demand goes up, and thus prices rise, Obama plans not to stock up our supplies with offshore drilling, but to make us go thirsty until we can pile up windmills for fear of death because we can't drive our cars to work every morning to get money to get to buy FOOD.

As for the abortion thing,you have a fetus, it dies, that's a miscarriage. Having a baby die, no matter how has got to be at least a little depressing, especially knowning you murdered it. I do expect raped women to carry the children, there's always adoption.

Funny, the only people I've ever heard support abortion have already been born.

Murder only applies to human beings. Fetuses are not human beings, they are mass of organic cells akin to a toenail.

A woman's body is her property. A fetus does not have the right to live in it without its mother's approval.

 

[John Galt]

As for the abortion thing,you have a fetus, it dies, that's a miscarriage. Having a baby die, no matter how has got to be at least a little depressing, especially knowning you murdered it. I do expect raped women to carry the children, there's always adoption.

Because the emotional scars of carrying, delivering, and giving up a baby caused by rape(only to have it crowding the orphanages, thus making it harder for other children to find homes)is totally better than making you feel a little queasy.

The thing is, you can't expect someone to do something like that. Why should they? Because you think the alternative might make them sad? Or because it might make you sad? What right do you have to force that opinion on someone? If you were raped, would you want to go through that whole ordeal?

Funny, the only people I've ever heard support abortion have already been born.

Funny, because all of the opponents for abortion have already been born too. It's a conspiracy I say.

 

[Beowulf DW]

How is it his plan to wait for gas to get to 10-15 dollars? What does the medical procedure of abortion have to do with miscarriage? Are you saying it is appropriate to make a girl or woman who has been raped carry the child to term?

Well you see, gas is what they call a "non-renewable resource" as supply goes down, demand goes up, and thus prices rise, Obama plans not to stock up our supplies with offshore drilling, but to make us go thirsty until we can pile up windmills for fear of death because we can't drive our cars to work every morning to get money to get to buy FOOD.

As for the abortion thing,you have a fetus, it dies, that's a miscarriage. Having a baby die, no matter how has got to be at least a little depressing, especially knowning you murdered it. I do expect raped women to carry the children, there's always adoption.

Funny, the only people I've ever heard support abortion have already been born.

I'm not Republican or Democrat, but I think that certain kinds of abortion should be legal. I hate the idea of abortion, and I don't like it when people choose abortion. However, I also know that this is America, the land of choice, and no one, not me and certainly not you, has the right to make that choice for another person.

 

[shadow skill]

How is it his plan to wait for gas to get to 10-15 dollars? What does the medical procedure of abortion have to do with miscarriage? Are you saying it is appropriate to make a girl or woman who has been raped carry the child to term?

Well you see, gas is what they call a "non-renewable resource" as supply goes down, demand goes up, and thus prices rise, Obama plans not to stock up our supplies with offshore drilling, but to make us go thirsty until we can pile up windmills for fear of death because we can't drive our cars to work every morning to get money to get to buy FOOD.

As for the abortion thing,you have a fetus, it dies, that's a miscarriage. Having a baby die, no matter how has got to be at least a little depressing, especially knowning you murdered it. I do expect raped women to carry the children, there's always adoption.

Funny, the only people I've ever heard support abortion have already been born.

You do realize that the drilling stuff will take about a decade to even come online in some places. Then there is the fact that over the long term the oil prices will STILL go up, so in the relative short term it would help prices but in the long term (30-50) years the price of oil will go up thus making drilling now pointless especially when the prices will not go down very much at all.

We still have oil in the reserves why not use that, while we begin adjusting to new sources of energy? The money we spend to build the oil rigs could be put to use get us ready to transition over to existing alternative energy resources. Hell it isn't even our cars that cost us the most in terms of fuel prices; it's our power grid and our buildings.

 

[Slycne]

How is it his plan to wait for gas to get to 10-15 dollars? What does the medical procedure of abortion have to do with miscarriage? Are you saying it is appropriate to make a girl or woman who has been raped carry the child to term?

Well you see, gas is what they call a "non-renewable resource" as supply goes down, demand goes up, and thus prices rise, Obama plans not to stock up our supplies with offshore drilling, but to make us go thirsty until we can pile up windmills for fear of death because we can't drive our cars to work every morning to get money to get to buy FOOD.

You do realize that the drilling stuff will take about a decade to even come online in some places. Then there is the fact that over the long term the oil prices will STILL go up, so in the relative short term it would help prices but in the long term (30-50) years the price of oil will go up thus making drilling now pointless especially when the prices will not go down very much at all.

We still have oil in the reserves why not use that, while we begin adjusting to new sources of energy? The money we spend to build the oil rigs could be put to use get us ready to transition over to existing alternative energy resources. Hell it isn't even our cars that cost us the most in terms of fuel prices; it's our power grid and our buildings.

You do realize the market will react to legislation being passed expanding on supply despite it not being in circulation yet.

We should be pursuing more drilling to lessen the burden for now, while working on development of alternative sources.

 

[Beowulf DW]

The market may react favorably to legislation for drilling, but it won't last very long. There still wouldn't be any product for several years.

Drilling for oil doesn't solve the core problem, which is dependence on oil. The resources and time that would be allocated to drilling for oil would be better spent on the research and developement of alternative energy sources. If we drill for oil now, we will only put off this same problem for a generation or two. And of course there's the environment to think of...

 

[werepossum]

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You do realize that the drilling stuff will take about a decade to even come online in some places. Then there is the fact that over the long term the oil prices will STILL go up, so in the relative short term it would help prices but in the long term (30-50) years the price of oil will go up thus making drilling now pointless especially when the prices will not go down very much at all.

We still have oil in the reserves why not use that, while we begin adjusting to new sources of energy? The money we spend to build the oil rigs could be put to use get us ready to transition over to existing alternative energy resources. Hell it isn't even our cars that cost us the most in terms of fuel prices; it's our power grid and our buildings.

I have to ask, are you really that stupid and/or ignorant, or just a really committed Democrat? There is NO alternative energy proposal that can be implemented in anything near a decade, in fact the energy differentials (energy produced divided by energy to produce and maintain) of current forms of alternative energy would break the whole world if we tried to switch over in a decade. Unlike oil, you can't find a nice spot to drill and pump out windmills or solar cells, you need lots of energy to produce them and lots of maintenance to keep them running. Yet you disparage additional drilling assuming that implementing existing technology will take a decade. Why on Earth would you assume that drilling more wells using existing technology is more difficult than developing commercially viable forms of new technology? I'm betting you're unable to think logically and are therefore reduced to having a political party think for you - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Even when we transition entirely to non-fossil fuels, petroleum will still be in demand - thus any new wells will still be useful, especially since the cost of drilling can be paid back pretty quickly at $100/barrel. As to our reserves - about three days supply if I remember correctly - I can only assume anyone who thinks we should use those to lower the price of gas wasn't around in the late 70s AND isn't smart enough or well-read enough to have learned the lesson, which is well-documented for those who care to learn.

Gas at $5/gallon doesn't discomfort me, and perhaps not you. But it is devastating to some people, and unquestionably drives up both inflation and unemployment. For the Democrats to prevent additional drilling, maximizing pain for those low in economic power, in favor of something they know is not nearly ready is to me at least as inexcusable as the Republicans' attempts to block draconian penalties and safeguards to the environment. (As I mentioned, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are mentally deficient.)

Slycne is exactly correct - oil prices quoted are oil futures. Allowing drilling lowers the price; blocking drilling raises the price. We should be encouraging the oil companies to drill their little hearts out whilst enforcing draconian penalties (supported by bonds - the oil companies can well afford it) and enforcing rigid safety standards on methodology. While the oil companies are drilling, the government should go balls to the wall on all potentially practical forms of alternative energy through tax incentives, research grants, proof-of-concept construction grants, and grants and tax incentives to anyone willing to install currently near-feasible forms of alternative energy such as solar, wind, and geothermal, and especially for nuclear power which is quite feasible now. Eventually either one form of alternative energy will prove practical, or more likely a number will prove to be practical in certain limited regions and/or for certain limited uses.

 

[shadow skill]

One of the main uses of Petroleum, plastic can already be made without using Petroleum at all.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

I just love how people are debating issues and topics that have no relevance to the functional job roles of the presidency. The who debacle is a waste of my time since the candidates pander to these people anyways.

 

[Matthew Alexander]

Man, I am so glad I'm Canadian and don't have to deal with the Democrat/Republican thing and the whole craziness of the red blue divide. I'm just stuck with a great big myriad of Idiots to choose from. Conservative, Liberal, NDP(New Democratic Party), Green, etc. You know its bad when the only party that doesn't seem like a pile of bickering children is the Green Party.