So, you're saying that you decided to cause discomfort to people that had done nothing to you simply because you don't believe the same things they do?
In OP's defense, according to his story, they did it first. Waiting around a homosexual's vehicle and trying to purge him of his 'sin'? That's pretty awful.
Not that it justifies his behavior, he certainly didn't take the high road on this one, but calling the OP intolerant for blasting metal at these people is like siding with the pot because you think the kettle really is a little bit blacker.
How is it awful? They just knelt and prayed for him. That's not awful.
What's awful is if they beat the living crap out of him, what's awful is that they tie him to the back of his own car and then drag him around the parking lot full throttle while the teachers encourage it... yet they never did that, did they?
What they did was peaceful and all it took was the guy's precious time.
They - the OP and his friend - should have sucked it up and moved on. Or just laughed when his friend told the story.
I couldn't give a rat's ass what they did or what he did. They're both the fools here, but to say what they did is awful is just flat out wrong considering worse things have been done to "cleanse" people of their sin and you're just insulting the victims.
To say that someone born with a slight genetic defect (or whatever causes homosexuality) is an impure aberration, scorned by God, and in desperate need of rescuing from their 'sinful' nature, lest they be cast down into eternal damnation and suffering; that is awful. It's not what those people did, it's the beliefs that their actions represent that I find repulsive.
Yes, it WOULD have been worse if they had brutalized him in some way. I never said what those people did WAS worse than the violence that has been acted out on homosexuals in other situations. You put those words in my mouth; just because I used a strong negative adjective doesn't mean I think a certain action is the be-all, end-all of horribleness.
Bear in mind, that both the nonviolent actions of the students at this school and the violent actions taken against homosexuals elsewhere originate from the same set of beliefs; that homosexuality is, by nature, an affront against God. Actions originate from beliefs, be they violent or nonviolent. I agree that we can be glad that OPs friend wasn't attacked, but I still find it awful when I hear about people who hold those kinds of beliefs.
I still say that he's calling his friend gay for listening to Yellow Card in a means that he is a pansy, not that he is in fact a homosexual.
You said it was pretty awful... which implies that it was, in a way, awful. What they did was laughable and kind, not awful. Targeting him for homosexuality would have been much more brutal than that, but considering what kind of people he was dealing with he would have most likely walked home with a pamphlet or a call from school asking that he attends a special camp to learn to no longer be homosexual.
That didn't happen, which is my strongest reason to believe he isn't a homosexual and that the OP used it as a means to say that his friend is inferior by listening to Yellow Card -- probably an inside joke we're unaware of.
I think they just prayed for his soul because he listened to the genre known as Metal.
EDIT:
But yes, it would be awful if they did that. In the sense of insulting him and targeting him for something he can't help.
I apologize, I didn't know you thought he was actually a homosexual. If I knew that, I wouldn't have been that harsh, I am truly sorry.
EDIT2:
If you're wondering how I missed that, I tend to do that. It was already in my mind that the guy was using it as an insult so I missed the word entirely...
Just like when I'm looking for something and it's right in front of me.
No worries. I can see how you might have read "*yes, he is gay*" as 'he listens to music I think is gay' instead of 'he is a literal homosexual'. In that case, your position would have been completely justified.
Now that you mention it, I'm not sure. I just assumed because homosexuality was mentioned that sexual orientation was the heart of the matter (I'm a knee-jerk advocate when it comes to gay-bashing). Now that I think about it, it probably was just about the music in his car. To automatically assume homophobia was an overreaction on my part.
Well, I still don't really like it, but if they gathered around his car to pray for him just because he listens to Yellow Card (which isn't really that bad a group from a moralistic standpoint), then it's not as awful as I said. It's just silly. Really, really silly.
EDIT: I meant I advocate FOR gays when it comes to gay bashing. That was probably a little ambiguous.
I agree, it's very silly. The OP proved sillier - it's a word? Who knew? - without thinking about the lyrics to the songs.
I mean to say that he didn't pick songs that approved Christianity just to be ready for the inevitable onslaught of unhappy protesters on his lawn. A little ironic that I have the foresight for that, but then overlooked what your stance was... damn, am I ever weird like that.
First of all... I only dislike religions, because almost all of them try to cram their religions down our throats. Like mormons, or jahocah's witnesses...
However, I equally hate people who fuck with others BECAUSE they are religious, make fun of their religion for no point, or pull shit like what you described. Let them be how they are dude. It's called respect
LASTLY (and the reason I quoted this small piece) is to ask. What the fuck has being gay have to do with Yellow Card?
its funny u say religions cram it down ur throats. i wont argue there r those denominations that sort of make it their duty to do that and what not but MOST do not and the VAST majority of people who do believe in religion dont "cram it down ppls throats" as u so eloquently put it. personally i find many atheists "cramming" that GOD DOESNT EXIST AND UR A MORON for believeing in god mentality down religous ppls throats.
although bi guess im being a little hipocritical judging atheists as such but, hey lots of atheists do it to religion.
Oh, I'll admit the vast majority of reigions don't, and I'm quite thankful for that. I don't speak of god in my everyday life. If someone brings it up, I say what I believe an let it drop. I was mentioning religions that cram faith down people's throat in reference to the school. My parents had be baptized protestant, so that if I believed in god, I could be a part of a religion, but ti was my idea. I don't like the idea of hos this school forces religion on them, and how they were probably fed the bible since birth.
No but they deserved it for standing around his friend's car and praying to save him. I don't care what they belief, but I do have a problem with people who do things like that.
dick move, totaly
going to hell for, problly
worth doing it again, hell yes,
just bring me with next time and i'll bring a harly-davidson and full leathers and we can cruse for chicks ;3
So, you're saying that you decided to cause discomfort to people that had done nothing to you simply because you don't believe the same things they do?
In OP's defense, according to his story, they did it first. Waiting around a homosexual's vehicle and trying to purge him of his 'sin'? That's pretty awful.
Not that it justifies his behavior, he certainly didn't take the high road on this one, but calling the OP intolerant for blasting metal at these people is like siding with the pot because you think the kettle really is a little bit blacker.
How is it awful? They just knelt and prayed for him. That's not awful.
What's awful is if they beat the living crap out of him, what's awful is that they tie him to the back of his own car and then drag him around the parking lot full throttle while the teachers encourage it... yet they never did that, did they?
Sorry randomly reading the comments and saw this a couple times. Yes it is a blow to him because he likes yellowcard but he is really gay i forgot to put he has the rainbow flag sticker on the back of his car
What they did was peaceful and all it took was the guy's precious time.
They - the OP and his friend - should have sucked it up and moved on. Or just laughed when his friend told the story.
I couldn't give a rat's ass what they did or what he did. They're both the fools here, but to say what they did is awful is just flat out wrong considering worse things have been done to "cleanse" people of their sin and you're just insulting the victims.
To say that someone born with a slight genetic defect (or whatever causes homosexuality) is an impure aberration, scorned by God, and in desperate need of rescuing from their 'sinful' nature, lest they be cast down into eternal damnation and suffering; that is awful. It's not what those people did, it's the beliefs that their actions represent that I find repulsive.
Yes, it WOULD have been worse if they had brutalized him in some way. I never said what those people did WAS worse than the violence that has been acted out on homosexuals in other situations. You put those words in my mouth; just because I used a strong negative adjective doesn't mean I think a certain action is the be-all, end-all of horribleness.
Bear in mind, that both the nonviolent actions of the students at this school and the violent actions taken against homosexuals elsewhere originate from the same set of beliefs; that homosexuality is, by nature, an affront against God. Actions originate from beliefs, be they violent or nonviolent. I agree that we can be glad that OPs friend wasn't attacked, but I still find it awful when I hear about people who hold those kinds of beliefs.
I still say that he's calling his friend gay for listening to Yellow Card in a means that he is a pansy, not that he is in fact a homosexual.
You said it was pretty awful... which implies that it was, in a way, awful. What they did was laughable and kind, not awful. Targeting him for homosexuality would have been much more brutal than that, but considering what kind of people he was dealing with he would have most likely walked home with a pamphlet or a call from school asking that he attends a special camp to learn to no longer be homosexual.
That didn't happen, which is my strongest reason to believe he isn't a homosexual and that the OP used it as a means to say that his friend is inferior by listening to Yellow Card -- probably an inside joke we're unaware of.
I think they just prayed for his soul because he listened to the genre known as Metal.
EDIT:
But yes, it would be awful if they did that. In the sense of insulting him and targeting him for something he can't help.
I apologize, I didn't know you thought he was actually a homosexual. If I knew that, I wouldn't have been that harsh, I am truly sorry.
EDIT2:
If you're wondering how I missed that, I tend to do that. It was already in my mind that the guy was using it as an insult so I missed the word entirely...
Just like when I'm looking for something and it's right in front of me.
Wait a moment, I know this is a bit off topic, how does listening to Yellowcard make one gay? I got a concussion in a mosh pit at a Yellowcard show about seven years ago.
Back to the point I'll never understand people of faith, but I have largely a peace with them. Only when the come after me do I respond.
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You sir, have my salute. I get annoyed by those extreme religious institutions who say that any music harder than a kitten's belly is the devil's work.
Yea that is a private school so none of us here can hate on it. If you don't agree, don't be there. That simple. But that was dick of you, it's not like they were beating him up. It WAS prententious, but they were praying for his everlasting soul, which is a pretty nice gesture I think.
Preeeeeecisely. It was a dick move, 'cause the punishment don't fit the crime.
If the story'd been that the members of the student body saw some material that--to their understanding--was offensive; waited by the car's owner for him to come back; then acted like a bunch of crazy Texans by dragging they guy behind their truck for an hour, you'd have been well within your rights to pull what you did. Also, use of fire would have been all right.
The fact of the matter is that the students did not act destructively, but rather with concern. They attempted to connect with another human being and share something they felt was beautiful. If that really ruffled your Yellowcard enjoying friend that much, then perhaps the wrong issue was getting resolved, as history teaches us that the only insults with any weight are those that might actually be true. If anyone really wants to get back at the excessively religious, the best way to do so is to act as though one normally would...which is to say in a manner which makes clear that their religion is not worth anyone's time.
If I'd have know you or that other guy I'd have been rite in that car with you. Possibly dangling out of one of the windows whilst thrusting vulgarly in their general direction.
Not a Dick move. An appropriate reaction for their Dick move.
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