You know, I must have forgotten the scenes in The Lion King where Simba escapes drowning and is raised by kindly humans...Khell_Sennet said:
Disney- What is the Real Reason?
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I think it's not that the audience is dumber. It's just that they can make a lot more money off of making a TV show that has movies, albums, and toys rather than a one shot movie and some toys.
They're in this for the money not for the children.
They're in this for the money not for the children.
Pretty much.Shapsters said:
Look, I consider the combined actions against the Native Americans as the worst genocide in history, but frankly you're wrong. What happened to the Native Americans was over a period of hundreds of years, and it was about territory, not hatred. Most of it consisted of relocation and conversion from their lifestyle, outright massacres were not the norm. And might I remind you that this was hundreds of years ago, where the general mentality to these sorts of things were much different. You didn't need to be a horrible person to treat Native Americans unfairly.avykins said:
Now the only way I could imagine you thinking there was nothing wrong with the Holocaust is if you know nothing about the Holocaust. Adolf Hitler hated the Jews, along with all the other minorities he persecuted. He intentionally massacred and brutally murdered as many of them as possible, just for the sake of killing them. Solely because of who they were. And I should remind you that this was merely half a century ago.
He is one of the most cruel and barbaric leaders of human history. It is insulting to say that I only hate him for the sake of hating him without knowing what he was trying to do. I know perfectly well what he was trying to do, and what he did. It is inexcusable by any means. The fact that he lost the war does not change what he did or how he should be viewed in the slightest.
To say that Walt Disney's admiration of Hitler is no different than my admiration for any leader is just insane. I don't see how I could take anything from that sentence except that you don't know who Hitler was or what he did. or, I suppose, you believe in some alternate reality in which every political leader is as bad as Hitler, but I find that much more unlikely. I hate Hitler, and I hate anyone who likes him for what he did. And if you think there's something wrong with that, then I hate you.
Dammit it was not off topic! You asked why I hate Disney and I answered, because of how it started. I'm sorry if you don't feel that's a valid reason but you didn't specify "reasons I feel are valid only" in the OP.Shapsters said:
Hail to the leader! I stand behind you!A random person said:
I can't blame disney, they give what the kids want, and they want crap, so disney delivers crap. Pixar is the best thing that happened to disney, I can watch pixar movies now and not get the feeling that I am watching a little kid's movie. My favorite was Monsters, Inc. Anyone else notice the slight nod to HL2 at the end? Or was that just my wishful thinking?
A teacher of mine put it this way:
"Disney has never made a decision that wouldn't earn them a lot of money."
"Disney has never made a decision that wouldn't earn them a lot of money."
Now see this leads me to believe you did not read my OP, because at no point did I ask why you hate Disney, these were my questions,ElephantGuts said:
"Is it Disney's fault that the current generation has been dumbed down into liking the current selection of Disney products? Should they be criticized because they know who they are selling their products to?"
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"Now that they have started these new products, will they be able to make another classic like previous Disney movies, or are the destined to be stuck with what they have started? And will a great cartoon bring them back to their former glory or is it too late?"
Please reread my OP and find the part where I said,
'Why do you hate Disney?'
And I will gladly consider your opinion, until that time, start reading OPs.
Be it not for me to join in with off-topic debates, but I know a considerable amount about Hitler and you, sir, are horrendously wrong. See ElephantGuts' post above for elaborations. Yes, Hitler thought he was doing the best thing for his people. However, he was also horrendously wrong, and millions upon millions of people suffered - had their lives torn asunder or snuffed out - because of it. To put it briefly, without Hitler, the Nazi Party would never have risen to such prominence (possibly any prominence at all) or been so cruel. To claim that Hitler is no more cruel and barbaric than, oh, Obama is rather silly. And, to overuse the phrase, horrendously wrong.avykins said:
On the subject of actual Disney. If they spawned Pixar, then at least something good came of it, but Hannah Montana is a crime against nature, and I really dislike the modern trend of flashy pop culture rubbish aimed at kids - it's soulless, aimed only at making money, and has no art or enthusiasm behind it. I wonder what it's like to work on something like that. Pretty shameful, I'd think...
I don't know what's the true motive under Disney. All they do is advertising Hannah Montana and Miley Cyrus trash among with NOT funny shows.
In exception to Pixar's works because it is wholly owned by Disney, Disney is best summed by what the creators of South Park made a parody of The Jonas Brothers.
In exception to Pixar's works because it is wholly owned by Disney, Disney is best summed by what the creators of South Park made a parody of The Jonas Brothers.
Wow, has it really been that long ago? Anyway, the big chase scene through the building, where they are riding on the doors. Replace those doors with prisoner pods and the scene ( not the action ) looks similar to the area of the citadel where gordon jumps in a prisoner pod.A random person said:
Now first of all, you can't generalize that all the kids of this generation like the recent crap Disney has been making, there are some smart kids I know who actually like the decent stuffs.
Second of all, it is not the kids fault for liking this craps. Because they don't know what would the better stuffs be like. Disney is a powerful media entertainment company and their entertainment is far more easy to access than others, and most kids just want to turn on the TV and watch what's there, do you really expect them to do a 2 hours research on the history of Disney to decide what's good and what's not?
Second of all, it is not the kids fault for liking this craps. Because they don't know what would the better stuffs be like. Disney is a powerful media entertainment company and their entertainment is far more easy to access than others, and most kids just want to turn on the TV and watch what's there, do you really expect them to do a 2 hours research on the history of Disney to decide what's good and what's not?
Aladdin is a story from the Tales of the Arabian Nights. You might as well say that the movie Spider-man ripped off Stan Lee's comic books about Spider-man or that the movie A Christmas Carol ripped of Charles Dickens. Rip-off means that you take someone elses idea and try to make people think you came up with it.asinann said:
And about Lion King, if anything that is a "rip-off" of Hamlet. His father comes back in ghost form to motivate him to take revenge on his uncle, who secretly killed daddy... The only likenesses I know of between the Japanese movie and Lion King is that both the protagonists are lion cubs (is that the right word?) named Simba or Kimba (Simba means "lion", it's hardly a unique idea for a name) and that they look up at the starry sky at night, which is such an obviously good idea that anyone would come up with it. Feel free to point out similarities I've missed.
asinann said:
Yeah ah no they aren't. That is a urban legend. The Lion King is an allegory of Hamlet, as was Kimba the White Lion. The makers of Kimba have gone on the record to say that Disney did not rip them off. However that does not mean that Disney paid them an ass ton of money to be quiet. The story of Aladdin was in The Book of One Thousand and One Nights, moreover The film Aladdin was the least changed from the source material.
Well, there is no The Book of One Thousand and One Nights. There's been a lot of different versions, and originally the story of Aladdin wasn't even in there. Sorry for being a smartaleck, just pointing it out.Fumbles said: