DmC looks great, what's with all the hate?
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Most of the bile tsunami has risen from the dual earthquake of Dante's redesign and the fact that Ninja Theory is developing the game.
Im simply not going to defend the Dante redesign, because its a creator cameo.
Ninja Theory developing it is becoming less of an issue however, since gameplay trailers look good, previews from trusted videogame journalists saying it plays close enough to a DMC as were gonna get any time soon, and that Capcom has a strict overwatch at Ninja Theory to make sure they dont fuck it up.
Im simply not going to defend the Dante redesign, because its a creator cameo.
Ninja Theory developing it is becoming less of an issue however, since gameplay trailers look good, previews from trusted videogame journalists saying it plays close enough to a DMC as were gonna get any time soon, and that Capcom has a strict overwatch at Ninja Theory to make sure they dont fuck it up.
I always give reinterpretations a chance. But redesigning something based around stereotypes based around what the main character traits' likes are? I don't think that's a really good design style. Not talking about DMC 5 mind you, just your idea of Dante. If it works because of that, then good. But if it doesn't, it just feels cliche or sad.Draech said:
Oh well, maybe it's just me. I simply feel unease when everything is based around stereotypes or any biased pattern recognition people always do.
EDIT: Either ways, the redesigning to me isn't the major problem. It's about the large amount of remakes people do. Instead of redesigning the character, why not create a new character? It would certainly give more originality with less chains on what to put in gameplay without the fan hate. I'd rather take a minor ripoff than truly simply destroying an icon to majority of the fans.
I have personally dealt with it by deciding not to buy the game. But you understand why the anger, and therefore hate is there.Draech said:
And you never know, perhaps all the hate will make capcom consider making the next one an in-house, true to the original lore installment.
This isn't actually accurate, the head dev has been hostile in his attitude to some fans, but he's usually referring to the ones who wanted to boycott the game before just because it wasn't the same old DMC they're used to.Shadowstar38 said:
The oft-quoted 'I don't care what they think' that fanboys refer to when trying to make out Tameem as an arrogant arsehole is actually an answer to the question 'what do you think of the fans who decide to hate games without even playing them?'
What Ninja Theory are doing with this game is not giving in to the demands of the vocal few who think everything should be made to suit them. While other developers like Sucker Punch and Sonic Team might buckle under the pressure to appease the fanbase, NT are staying true to their vision, whether it's popular or not, and that's something I can wholeheartedly respect.
Personally, I'm looking forward to DmC and, having recently finished and thoroughly enjoyed Enslaved, I think the series is in good hands with NT.
Quick Edit: Just from reading a few other posts, I find the fact that any of you take the DMC storyline seriously utterly hilarious.
I'm not really following what you mean when you say "Guess what You opinion is no better than Michael Bays in your example". Because I really wasn't talking about Michael Bays opinion. I was talking about his capabilities as a director. But in anycase. Liking something generally means you know more about the source material than most people, and thus your opinion is more relevant. But its still an opinion in the end, and should be treated as such. (Who's Opinion on String Theory would you trust more, A quantum physicist, or a lawyer?) That being said, alot of fans froget when they need to trust in the people handling the IP. I don't want Ninja Theory to pander and make the game I want them to make. I want them not to make horrible choices. Another movie example, when they rebooted Star Trek, it was a great movie. But wouldn't it have been even better if someone was like. "Hey. We should really turn down the bloom effects."
And you can't with a straight face, fan or not, think that its a good design choice to remodel the main character of something after yourself. That would be like if Christopher Nolan decided he wanted to -play- Batman. Its poor choices like that that have fans riled up.
I am willing to bet that it was a reboot but while they knew there would be some fan backlash they did not think there would be so much of it and they then shat out the alternate universe thing in the hopes it would win fans back over.Jeremy Dawkins said:
OT: Personaly I have douts that this game will be good for the following reasons:
Dante character redesign- While I do not like the way he looks I could overlook it if he did not sound like a 12 year old who just lernt the word fuck. From what I have seen he just sounds and acts like a douche and not the fun, loveable kind of douche that real Dante is, the irritating, Kick to the balls painfull kind of douche that everybody hates.
Combat- The combat looks kind of cool but I think it has lost some of the style that the other had. it also seems to be alot slower.
Ninja Theory- I have never played a game by these guys that I enjoyed. I had some fun with Enslaved's combat but it lasted all of hour before I got tired of it and I think their narrative ability sucks. I have no faith that they will do a good job. Plus whenever they give interviews they come accross as complete douche nozzles, telling people to shut up because they are right and we are wrong. Pissing off people you are trying to sell a game to. Very clever.
If this game fails I bet that Ninja Theory will come out and say it was the fult of the original fans because they need someone to blame. Reminds me of the creator of Stargate. When Stargate Universe came out and most of the old fans did not watch it because it was no longer Stargate but a Battlestar Galactica rip off, one of the creator's (Brad Wright I think) said that they could go screw themselvs because SG:U was so awesome that it would get so many new fans he did not need them and then when it tanked and it got canceled he said it was the old fans fault.
Sales are always going to make more impact than internet bandwagons. What really gets to me is when you have such a huge uproar concerning a game, e.g. Mass Effect 3, Diablo 3, often before the game is even released, but then those doing the complaining go out an buy the game anyway.RevTibe said:
Daystar Clarion said:Needs more Vergil.
So far, I haven't seen anything resembling DMC.
No, I've no problem with the character's new look, he just doesn't act like Dante.
Dante in old DMC = Sup, baby?
Dante in new DMC = No! Fuck you!
Such rapier wit
But honestly, as long as the combat is up to par, there's no way it could be worse than DMC2.
>.> you think so? looks a lot slower too me then the last games. other wise, yeah .... I'm not buying its a real Devil May Cry.
there's the above mentioned personality change where they seem to have drained the humor from him to make him a swarey brat with the likeability of an angry honey badger
there's the drop to 30 FPS from 60, which IS noticeable, if, ya know, you've actually PLAYED a DMC
and lastly, the origin alteration, the half angel/demon thing, sounds like some ones trying to hard to make him different while forgetting he already was
there's the above mentioned personality change where they seem to have drained the humor from him to make him a swarey brat with the likeability of an angry honey badger
there's the drop to 30 FPS from 60, which IS noticeable, if, ya know, you've actually PLAYED a DMC
and lastly, the origin alteration, the half angel/demon thing, sounds like some ones trying to hard to make him different while forgetting he already was
So very absolutely this.Zaik said:I don't really have a horse in this race, but it's probably got something to do with this:
Kind of seems a bit narcissistic?
That said, Ninja Theory initially claimed that Capcom gave them the go ahead to troll the shit out of their fanbase, and that's certainly one way to do it. It's kind of been backpedaled since then, but remake dante still looks like the lead dev or whoever that guy is.
I hate Dante's "new" look, he's not supposed to look like the demographics he gets worshipped by, or the gargantual troll on the dev team that had the balls to say we "secretly want DmC". The level of arrogance is just unprecedented and uncalled-for. Should have just ended it with 4, honestly.
I never said you said any thing about change.Draech said:
He is making a basic complaint about a game, NO FUCKING HARM!!! You are judging him by assuming he knows no better because he's a fan. Face it, you are in the wrong.
Funny, you don't sound like a grown-up. It's not about being a grown-up any way, he made a complaint about what he dislikes, again, WHERES THE FUCKING PROBLEM?Draech said:
He is allowed to have an opinion no matter what. I shouldn't have to point out the obvious.
Wrong again. They are not forcing any one to make the game the way they want. They are not holding a gun to their head and making demands.Draech said:
They are just making harmless complaints to get their voice heard and maybe make the developers think. That's all.