Do you agree with this?

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

Everyone's a victim, whether they sign up to it out of a misguided sense of patriotism or they're caught in the crossfire.

This. So very much this.

War. What is it good for?
....Thinning out the population and brainwashing the masses....and that's pretty much it.

 

[Jegsimmons]

There are no such things as "victims", anymore. No, no, the USA made sure of that after they dropped the nuke on Japan TWICE, and killed hundreds of thousands of people without a second thought. Hundreds of thousands of innocent civillians who had no part in the war, killed without mercy. The end of World War II marked the end of the era where killing civillians was unacceptable.

No, the end of World War II marked the end of needing more than a single weapon to kill a hundred thousand. Cities had taken comparable damage from bombing before, only it required a host or aircraft armed with many, many weapons.

I don't see how it'd be preferable to kill many times that number of civilians in a ground war instead, unless lots of US and allied forces also dying makes it alright? In preparation for a ground war on Japan, the US stockpiled half a million Purple Hearts to award to wounded soldiers. After 60 years of fighting around the world and awarding them, they've still got about a quarter of them left.

well thats a little depressing to hear. lets hope we dont have to award them all anytime soon.

but who said civilians were ok to kill? doesnt that end up in a court martial, and in some cases straight up imprisonment? (which it usually ends up as)
very one sided views on this thread.

 

[PatSilverFox]

The civilians or the soldiers.
They don't just lose their spouses, they lose their LIVES *rolls eyes*
All of this power to women stuff is just ridiculous and out of hand.

 

[The_ModeRazor]

Hillary who-the-fuck? Whatever. War is just war. Hate is just hate, and love is just love. The world is simply how it is. It's our place to occasionally question it and otherwise conform completely.

And dying ain't half bad you know. Sure it hurts like fuck, but then you are dead. No thing, no more.

 

[General BrEeZy]

no i dont. victims are everywhere. and yes, losing a loved one is hurtful, but how do the male soldiers (females aren't excluded, just so you know) feel about going off, being under deaths shadow all the time, get hit, lose limbs, sanity and sometimes their lives over political or religious (no insults to anyone in general, don't feel offended please) nutjobs?

WAR
SUCKS
D*CK

 

[Cheesus333]

That quote is so Goddamned stupid I don't even -

Hell, I'm not even adequately equipped to deal with this textually. So I shall let Kim do it.

Natasa Feb 20 2008
Women are the worst victims of war followed by children. This is a fact. I know.

That's right folks. Women are the worst victims of war. Apparently dying, which is what the men do in wars, is neither here nor there compared to what women experience. Oh and the children, you know, the innocent victims who are unable to fend for themselves...well, they also come in second...because the greatest suffering only happens when it happens to women.

Granted, this isn't new...it isn't ground breaking. All around the world travesties are only brought to light when they begin to affect women. It seems like we only start to hear about horrific atrocities when the women start to suffer...never mind the corpses of thousands and thousands of men may lie decaying in unmarked mass graves.

Perhaps a little extreme, but that essentially sums up my view on the matter. Perhaps a little concern for the soldiers who actually fight, bleed and die for their country would be in order too, Hillary?

 

[Hamster at Dawn]

I half agree with this. The problem is that men can also lose people in war and women can fight in wars. The quote seems rather sexist.

 

[JoJo]

I'd say children suffer more. as an adult, you usually have yur shit together, so if a family member dies, there's less impact. As a child, you lose one of half of the pairing that raises and loves you. Plus you go into that world of meeting new people who are supposed to be your father even though father is now in a box.

This, a child relies on their parents completely, to lose half of that is devastating. Sure women suffer in war but so do men, singling them out like this just turns men against feminism in the long run as rather than trying to secure women as equals it's trying to put them over men.

 

[Commissar Sae]

Everyone suffers in war, to say only those left behind are suffering is to ignore the serving troops and the civilians caught in the warzone.

 

[aei_haruko]

"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat."
- Hillary Clinton.

I Think this is a load of crap. I mean sure, it would be bad to lose a family member but it would be a whole lot worse to die in combat. I believe the true "Victims" of war are the civilians that die when they have no part in the war. What are your opinions on this quote?

I agree, total crap. The victims are ALL people

 

[Bakuryukun]

"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat."
- Hillary Clinton.

I Think this is a load of crap. I mean sure, it would be bad to lose a family member but it would be a whole lot worse to die in combat. I believe the true "Victims" of war are the civilians that die when they have no part in the war. What are your opinions on this quote?

I don't really think anybody should be deciding who suffers more in war, seeing as I and most others on this site have never be in a war, so any opinion that I have, and most of you have, on the subject is going to be aimless and empty conjecture at best.

All people involved in war suffer, it doesn't and shouldn't matter how much.

 

[FoolKiller]

"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat."
- Hillary Clinton.

Wait... This, by definition, means that women aren't the primary victims of war. This would make them secondary or teritiary. Also, sucks more to be dead than to be the one mourning a loss. You can get better from one and not the other.

 

[Atheist.]

She's kind of an idiot. I'm pretty sure the people with PTSD from being tortured and being prisoners of war have it worse.

I really think she's trying to make people sexist, saying stupid things like this. As is losing your life is comparable to feeling depressed over losing said person. Use your brain a little bit, put some reigns on your emotions.

 

[Shameless]

So you're telling me that those who actually died at war are not victims ?

 

[TeeBs]

They are victims. Its not a load of shit, there's a very large debate about if/how anyone is the primary victim, but apart from that the point is entirely valid. She is a woman, so yeah, no shit that would be her first consideration.

Everyone's a victim, whether they sign up to it out of a misguided sense of patriotism or they're caught in the crossfire.

UK, huh? Yeah, you guys would think all patriotism is misguided. Suck a dick. I didn't go on tour twice for no good reason.

How about you go suck a dick just cause one guy phrased his opinion in a hurtful(to you) way doesn't mean you can take the piss out of a whole country.

How about YOU go suck a dick, because you told someone to go suck a dick and that's not very nice at all.

To be fair, the other one said it first. Let's all suck dicks!

We'll have a good old sausage-fest with some nice cock-fights for the entertainment.

This forum just got a whole lot sexier.

 

[Jonluw]

I agree.
Dying isn't too awful a concept. Being left behind after someone important to you dies though...

 

[LostTimeLady]

I would agree that the most tragic victims of war are those who aren't involved in the fighting, but the worst off are those who die, regardless of whether they're male, female, civvie or part of the military.

Sometimes those tragic victims are those who are left behind, yes, mothers, wives et cetera but also fathers and brothers, comrades who watched a fellow soldier and friend die.

But there's no escaping that the worst fate in war is death.