Do you believe in ghosts or the paranormal?

[Aqua Trenoble]

I'm gunna step out of this discussion now anyway, it's no fun if you just get angry.

I agree, it isn't any fun. Though I wasn't really angry at you, just annoyed that no-one reads what I say before deciding to poke holes in me.

Thank you for withdrawing from the discussion, I'd like to do so as well but I'm always curious as to what people will say next.

 

[AugustFall]

There is a science to it, dealing with energy and temperature changes, etc in the environment in relation to the manifestation of a spirit. There is some science behind it, it's not as crazy as some people make it out to be

Care to leave a citation? Perhaps a link to an article?



OT: Nope, don't believe in spirits or the afterlife so no ghosts or anything either.

 

[Stublore]

I never said that she couldn't heal anything that the body can't. From what I understand, what she really does is help the body heal itself. It's not my area of expertise, however, so I'm afraid you'd have to continue perusing her website or ask her yourself to find the answers to your questions.

In other words, what she "does" could just as easily, and more importantly, it's more likely that the "healing" she claims to do is just the body doing what it does. She does nothing(apart from take 200 quid for her troubles!).

On a side note I would like to thank you for all the replies you have made in this thread .

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

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Have you ever seen that headline?
Neither have I.

OT: Why the hell would I?
I've never had an experience that can be attributed to a paranormal being, nor have I ever seen any evidence of anything of such a phenomenon existing.
Nor has anyone else for that matter.

What people are saying is: Look at that thing that happened! You can't explain how that happened! That must mean a ghost/paranormal phenomenon did it!

This is stupid. What they're saying is "That can't be explained, therefore I can explain it."

I don't like to sound like a dick; but sometimes...

Seeing a phenomena that you can't explain is not ground enough to believe in something that goes against our current understanding of the world. If you can't explain the phenomena you experienced, you must accept that there is a number of physically viable explanations for why this thing is happening.
If you can't explain it and there is evidence to suggest that the phenomena is caused by a supernatural being (such as ectoplasm suddenly covering everything), then that's grounds for looking further into it. It is not, however, proof for the existence of such supernatural beings.

Great video. I now have to something to show people when they bring up claims like that. He explains the positions much better than I could.

 

[Innegativeion]

If heaven has vacation packages for spectral visits to the earthly plane (how fucking awesome would that be? o.0), they certainly won't be able to interact in any way.

So no, no visible, tangeable, or otherwise sense-able spirits.

 

[Burst6]

I suppose that it's reasonable to be skeptical. So:

1. I very definitely was ill. My lymph nodes were swollen, I had a damn sore throat, and I was coughing a lot and even short of breath. If I was imagining all that then please put me out of my fictional misery.

2. I am most certainly not still ill. My lymph nodes are fine and I've had no resurgence of any of the symptoms in the intervening months.

3. The illness was in no way mental or imagined. Other people commented on it and I even have a good idea of where I got it, as I was hanging out with a sick friend not long before I too became ill.

There are no other possibilities. I cured myself through force of will and that's that. I've even done it before that, though those examples were far more subtle. And I really don't want to replicate the phenomenon, either. Aside from the obvious downside of being sick again, it took a lot of energy to fix myself.

I don't even particularly care if you believe me, I just am giving a personal experience and seeing what people make of it.

If webMD is to be trusted, swollen lymph nodes go away on their own.

"Treatment for swollen glands focuses on treating the cause. For example, a bacterial infection may be treated with antibiotics, while a viral infection often goes away on its own. If cancer is suspected, a biopsy may be done to confirm the diagnosis.

Any swollen lymph nodes that don't go away or return to normal size over about a month should be checked by your doctor."

There are plenty of reasonable explanations. More likely your lymph nodes just fixed themselves around the same time you started using your will. Heck its possible that or your force of will kicked in an overdrive mode for your immune system which cleared out the viruses causing the swelling. That's much more feasible than any paranormal explanation.

Edit: oh yeah and also webMD says that swollen lymph nodes often follow a cold. That's a pretty good explanation for the coughing. Also from what i can gather there are lymph nodes in your neck are the ones that grow, so that could explain shortness of breath.

 

[Innegativeion]

I don't believe in ghosts. It just seems childish to me. Science tells me that the possibilities of ghosts being real are virtually non-existent. Sorry if that offends some people.

Science has also proven that some people from the past leave this electromagnetic residue that can stay in places for a large amount of time. Thus, the image of ghosts are created. But I heard this from a friend so it might not be true.

Maybe your friend was playing too much Infamous? o.0

 

[Rad Party God]

Yup, I do believe in that sort of things. And no, I haven't experienced anything paranormal yet, but I firmly belive they exist.

 

[Aqua Trenoble]

In other words, what she "does" could just as easily, and more importantly, it's more likely that the "healing" she claims to do is just the body doing what it does. She does nothing(apart from take 200 quid for her troubles!).

No, I think that what she does is make the body do what it's supposed to do but not actually doing. For example, she apparently can cure cancer. Seems like the body should be able to take care of that, right? Well it usually doesn't, so she helps the body heal when it should. Amputation is another matter entirely, though I suppose that it's within the realm of possibility for her to reattach the limb if it's available. I thought that you meant completely regrowing a limb earlier. That would just be completely ridiculous.

Actually, I've heard that she can bring back people who die in her presence, but I've never heard of anyone doing that on their own.

But really, you should ask her, not me.

On a side note I would like to thank you for all the replies you have made in this thread .

Uh... you're welcome? I suppose someone should draw something positive from this great big mess...

 

[Stublore]

As for residual hauntings, the best example would be Gettysburg, pa. I believe, because the Bible says so, that when the body is dead, the spirit leaves the earth. You're spirit is immediately sent to heaven or hell - it doesn't daddle around on earth. So, how could the accounts by thousands of people of seeing entire battle reenactments be explained?

This is a piss take right?
Thousands of people of have seen an entire battlefield re-creaction by ghosts???
Is there any credible evidence of this, the keyword here is credible.
If not I call BULLSHIT on your claim.
Hell, I'll just call BULLSHIT now XD.

 

[Aqua Trenoble]

Heck its possible that or your force of will kicked in an overdrive mode for your immune system which cleared out the viruses causing the swelling. That's much more feasible than any paranormal explanation.

That's sort of what I'm saying. My will caused my body to cure itself. Also I wasn't really saying that that was paranormal, just that it was a difficult-to-explain anecdote which could have an extrascientific explanation. And I was giving someone an example of a situation where a placebo effect can be a complete cure.

 

[TheSchaef]

If there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say.

 

[mrht101]

I believe in none of these things, and my arguments against most "believers" are summed up well enough here:
http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/09/11/the-texas-sharpshooter-fallacy/
http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/06/23/confirmation-bias/

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[Innegativeion]

No, I think that what she does is make the body do what it's supposed to do but not actually doing. For example, she apparently can cure cancer.

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*record scratch* what?

If she can do that, why doesn't she share her powers with the Jimmy Fund? It makes 0 to 0 logical sense to reserve that sort of thing to private customers!

Seems like the body should be able to take care of that, right?

Well, no, most cancer isn't like other diseases. I'm no doctor, but I'm fairly sure most cases aren't bacteria or virus related. It's mutation in cells causing uncontrolled division.

Amputation is another matter entirely, though I suppose that it's within the realm of possibility for her to reattach the limb if it's available. I thought that you meant completely regrowing a limb earlier. That would just be completely ridiculous.

and... and curing cancer is not?

Actually, I've heard that she can bring back people who die in her presence, but I've never heard of anyone doing that on their own.

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*spit take* what?

Okay... my mother lies to me all the time. I am honestly baffled as to how you can believe this.

 

[Akytalusia]

anyone who believes that we're aware of every existential possibility is a fool.

 

[soulfire130]

Oh that's right, I forgot that spiritual and paranormal forces don't exist and have never done anything. Must suck to live in your world...

Same world you live in. Until the spiritual and paranormal can actually be explained in rational, structured experiments, and "psychic ability" can be replicated, it's all hokum.

Arguably we all live within our own personal worlds with their own events and rules, but I digress.

If you refuse to accept even the possibility that there's more than science and logic then you're missing out on some really rad shit. That's all I meant.

I fail to see why you feel the need for there to BE anything else. Isn't the physical universe enough without, let's not pull any punches, fairy stories?

I fail to see how you can say that because there is no evidence means that its 'hokum'. It was once though that the world was flat even though it was acually round.

Ok let me put it this way.


Prove it.

Any of it.


Prove to me that anything you care to describe as "supernatural" actually exists. Write out an experiment.


The world was proven round.


I'm waiting on something to be "proven" paranormal.

I am timing you.

1. Damn that was a quick response. Where you waiting for someone to pull that response on?

2. Are you mad?(seriously asking)

3.Timing me? I didn't know that there was a time limit to proving something.(-_- Also, I type slow so expect a long wait time.

4. My point was that you can't something can't be because of lack of evidence. Although technically, there is 'viable' video and audio of spirits or 'ghost' if you will, its just not being accepted was evidence because people are afraid everything is faked. Which brings me to-

5. I think no matter what bring to you, you will reject it as fake. Let's say I brought to you a resent video of a full apperition, you likely say it photoshoped or a person in get-up. if brought audeo you would say its a person I had say something. Even if I showed you video of it just sitting on the table and In an empty room, you'll say I tampered with the audeo. This in turn would render any expirement useless and pointless. Besides, I'm a stranger on the internet, you not gonna believe me with or without evidence.

6. So instead of me wasting my time giving you evidence you'll reject instintly, why don't you get you evidence for you? Acually goto a place that the owner/s and patrins say is haunted and has a lot of activity. And to be Thorough go investigate there more than one time.

7. counter-argument: YOU'RE the one saying there is such a thing a the supernature! I don't need to collect evidence for you!

This is true, I'll admit. But if you don't, we'll be stuck at square 1 with nothing but words.
Which is fine with me either way.

Well, whatever you do, it was enteraining arguing with you.

 

[KoalaKid]

I believe in the soul or spirit though I am not sure if the spirit stays on earth or haunts places or not. I guess I am open to the idea though.

this comment is off topic, but this captcha commercial shit is fucking ridiculous.

 

[Innegativeion]

>.>. This was before Infamous.

hehe. Okay okay.

It just reminded me of it. Who knows, maybe the gameplay mechanic was based on something scientific.