I apologise for not making myself clearer, the medieval days were incredibly unpleasant and I was not intending to paint them as paradise. The main point I was trying to get across was the point of things being much simpler back in hunter/gatherer days which is mere wishful thinking after a hassling day and I came across like an anti government imbecile because I didn't think before venting.trooper6 said:You're going to have to go back to hunter-gatherer before you find no government.Voidrunner said:Yeah sometimes I wish I could have been born a lot earlier when things weren't nearly as complicated, a place where you could wander around making your own way through a simple life without constantly having to deal with governments and a million other people hassling you and finding new inventive ways to rip money out of you. Sure the modern era has brought a great deal of improvements but in a lot of cases simple things have just gotten so pointlessly complex and painful.
And for most of history, the government didn't rip money out of you...the government owned you...and you didn't have any rights to your own property or money. And you couldn't just wander around making your way through a simple life because you were a serf and bound to the land you didn't own. You weren't allowed to travel off your land. You couldn't go hunting for food, because everything belonged to your liege. And they'd tax you on top of all that.
The only time when people aren't ripping money out of you is before there was money. And then people were ripping goods off of you. And the only time when people weren't ripping goods off of you is before surplus farming, when everyone lived hand to mouth and there was no one who had anything extra of anything. It was all hunter-gathering. And back then, while not some sort of government, you probably had a strong man/chief who got to call all the shots by virtue of being more violent and better at violence than everybody else--until someone killed him.
The past was not fun, and it certainly wasn't a libertarian paradise.
You are being too generous even then. Many, many species have "alpha males." If one critter telling all the other critters who gets the food and the females isn't an oppressive government, I don't know what is. Go back to single-celled organisms to find no government. Maybe. If two animals can communicate, you can be sure that one of them is the boss.trooper6 said:You're going to have to go back to hunter-gatherer before you find no government.
It must be fun to be libertarian. You know, being crazy but still being able to function in society.trooper6 said:The past was not fun, and it certainly wasn't a libertarian paradise.
I'm going to agree with you there. Or mabye earlier. I think it'd be interesting to watch all that unfold, in a morbidly interesting way.Superveloce6 said:I always wish I would have been born before World War II and been about 18 years old when the war started.
A couple of intelligent responses. Nice to see.Voidrunner said:I apologise for not making myself clearer, the medieval days were incredibly unpleasant and I was not intending to paint them as paradise. The main point I was trying to get across was the point of things being much simpler back in hunter/gatherer days which is mere wishful thinking after a hassling day and I came across like an anti government imbecile because I didn't think before venting.trooper6 said:You're going to have to go back to hunter-gatherer before you find no government.Voidrunner said:Yeah sometimes I wish I could have been born a lot earlier when things weren't nearly as complicated, a place where you could wander around making your own way through a simple life without constantly having to deal with governments and a million other people hassling you and finding new inventive ways to rip money out of you. Sure the modern era has brought a great deal of improvements but in a lot of cases simple things have just gotten so pointlessly complex and painful.
And for most of history, the government didn't rip money out of you...the government owned you...and you didn't have any rights to your own property or money. And you couldn't just wander around making your way through a simple life because you were a serf and bound to the land you didn't own. You weren't allowed to travel off your land. You couldn't go hunting for food, because everything belonged to your liege. And they'd tax you on top of all that.
The only time when people aren't ripping money out of you is before there was money. And then people were ripping goods off of you. And the only time when people weren't ripping goods off of you is before surplus farming, when everyone lived hand to mouth and there was no one who had anything extra of anything. It was all hunter-gathering. And back then, while not some sort of government, you probably had a strong man/chief who got to call all the shots by virtue of being more violent and better at violence than everybody else--until someone killed him.
The past was not fun, and it certainly wasn't a libertarian paradise.
And have a worse life than almost the poorest in western society do today!RAWKSTAR said:I'd like to be a rich white man in 1619....
You can go to the Amazon Jungle or the south pole or really deep under sea level. All these are still unexplored.Rayne870 said:Yes, I wish I was born in time to still explore the world, and specifically be around during the "golden age" of Piracy. Either that or I wish I was born much later than now when we make first face to face contact with an alien species, or have the capability to travel in space. Essentially I just wish there was somewhere new to go and vastly undiscovered.
Edit: As for living in the past if I did die of some horrible disease that we have a cure for now I think I would be ok with that in trade for a life at sea.
I wouldn't fit in with the Somalians and probably wouldn't last long against the various naval forces fighting them, but that would probably be quite a bit of excitement. Since this was about the era though, something about black powder and privateering just sort of calls to me.Arif_Sohaib said:You can go to the Amazon Jungle or the south pole or really deep under sea level. All these are still unexplored.Rayne870 said:Yes, I wish I was born in time to still explore the world, and specifically be around during the "golden age" of Piracy. Either that or I wish I was born much later than now when we make first face to face contact with an alien species, or have the capability to travel in space. Essentially I just wish there was somewhere new to go and vastly undiscovered.
Edit: As for living in the past if I did die of some horrible disease that we have a cure for now I think I would be ok with that in trade for a life at sea.
As for piracy just go to Somalia or Piratebay.
Hell I would go just for the Spartan women.Captain Pirate said:I sometimes wish I'd been born back in the days of ancient Sparta; you know, being brought up a warrior from birth.