DoA Dev Says Jiggle Physics Are Part of Japanese Culture

[Xangba]

The DOA characters are all bland, interchangeable women who are in there literally just because of their bodies.

You're not kidding.

https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&tok=sHOuZom3Iw5FV2o4faE6AQ&cp=6&gs_id=4&xhr=t&q=dead+or+alive&rlz=1C1CHKZ_enAU438AU438&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&biw=1920&bih=1017&ion=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=RXk3UJrKBIObiQfS34CYDg

How that strikes anyone as a healthy game culture and attitude towards women is beyond me lol. They couldn't be any more objectified and reduced to sex toy if they tried. The women of DoA are nothing more than moving dolls for men to ogle.

Yes, that's exactly what they are. That's what they are designed as. That does not mean that people who play see women that way. It's fanservice, pandering to teenagers who love that stuff. Sex sells in games just as much as movies and T.V. So many people are overreacting to nothing.

 

[Spirit356]

The DOA characters are all bland, interchangeable women who are in there literally just because of their bodies.

You're not kidding.

https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&tok=sHOuZom3Iw5FV2o4faE6AQ&cp=6&gs_id=4&xhr=t&q=dead+or+alive&rlz=1C1CHKZ_enAU438AU438&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&biw=1920&bih=1017&ion=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=RXk3UJrKBIObiQfS34CYDg

How that strikes anyone as a healthy game culture and attitude towards women is beyond me lol. They couldn't be any more objectified and reduced to sex toy if they tried. The women of DoA are nothing more than moving dolls for men to ogle.

Well I'm going to call foul here, the game and the characters all do have their own plot which of course centers around the Dead or Alive tournament, it's even safe to say that throughout the games the female cast have generally beenthe main protagonists (Helena and Kasumi mostly). Just because when you search google for dead or alive you get a bunch of pictures of the girls in bikinis, mostly from the Xtreme Volleyball series does not mean that the characters in the entire franchise are 'there literally just because of their bodies'.

Story and motivation that goes beyond an excuse to get people into a fight? No. "This set of breasts and legs wants to fight because... she's employed by an evil group that wants to run the world. This set of breasts and legs wants to fight because... she's a good guy."

Also, being the lead in a story doesn't mean anything. "Here, boys, look at our protagonists legs and slutty outfit." Oh that's good. Thanks, developer.

Ok where to begin, I'll start off with arguably the two main characters, Kasumi and Helena. Kasumi was brought up by the Mugen Tenshi clan as the second born, she loves her brother Hayate and her best friend Ayane, this however goes south when Ayane finds out she is Kasumis half sister and pushes all of her resentment of the treatment by the clan (because of the circumstances of her birth) on Kasumi. However tradegy strikes and Hayate is left crippled making her the leader of the clan, a role she never asked for. Hayate then goes missing and Kasumi leaves the clan (effectively a death sentence) in order to find him while Ayane is sent to murder Kasumi for 'betraying' the clan. She joins the Dead or alive tournament in order to find Hayate as information points there.

Helena was the illegitimate child of Fame Douglas and his mistress, the head of DOATEC who run the DOA tournament. She has an opulent but normal upbringing until both her father and mother are assassinated (The assassin was actually aiming for Helena). Helena ends up growing up being manipulated by Victor Donovan (Antagonist and head of DOATEC) and enters the DOA tournament to try and find the assassin of her mother and to try and find out what is happening within DOATEC (A lot of bad experiments). She eventually becomes chairwomen of DOATEC and finds her mothers assassin in DOA4.

So yes it's up to you if you wish to ignore the plot of the games simply because the girls are skimpily dressed and have large breasts but I suggest that you should play them because they are a lot of fun.

Oh yeah, those stories are works of art. At least... C grade day time soap opera material, to be sure. Nothing like a random plot pulled out of the air and made up as it went along to get various cliches and archetypes into a fighting game. Nope.

You could have an actually well written story and having sex objects dressed in fetish outfits would be no less appalling. It'd probably be a bigger insult; at least with trashy, C grade writing the abysmal mannequins for characters don't seem out of place.

Are you really complaining about stereotypical plots in a tournament fighter of all things? Really? Your entire argument seems to be, 'These characters have inappropirate figures and clothing and I personally find that wrong'. There's nothing here to suggest that the DOA series has had any negative impact on anything whatsoever, it just seems like you're complaining because the design makes you uncomfortable which of course is completely fine except for the fact that you're trying to make it into having a much bigger impact on society that it will.

 

[Xangba]

The DOA characters are all bland, interchangeable women who are in there literally just because of their bodies.

You're not kidding.

https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&tok=sHOuZom3Iw5FV2o4faE6AQ&cp=6&gs_id=4&xhr=t&q=dead+or+alive&rlz=1C1CHKZ_enAU438AU438&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&biw=1920&bih=1017&ion=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=RXk3UJrKBIObiQfS34CYDg

How that strikes anyone as a healthy game culture and attitude towards women is beyond me lol. They couldn't be any more objectified and reduced to sex toy if they tried. The women of DoA are nothing more than moving dolls for men to ogle.

Yes, that's exactly what they are. That's what they are designed as. That does not mean that people who play see women that way. It's fanservice, pandering to teenagers who love that stuff. Sex sells in games just as much as movies and T.V. So many people are overreacting to nothing.

Well I'm going to call foul here, the game and the characters all do have their own plot which of course centers around the Dead or Alive tournament, it's even safe to say that throughout the games the female cast have generally beenthe main protagonists (Helena and Kasumi mostly). Just because when you search google for dead or alive you get a bunch of pictures of the girls in bikinis, mostly from the Xtreme Volleyball series does not mean that the characters in the entire franchise are 'there literally just because of their bodies'.

You guys need to get your story straight. Are they sex objects or engaging characters with real stories? Have a meeting or something.

Why you are quoting me with someone I don't even know just confused the hell out of me. I don't care if that person is trying to defend the characters, and the fact you put two entirely unrelated things like that together is rather odd for argumentative purposes. I don't even like the game, my point is that you are overreacting to nothing. If you want to argue about characters take it up with the other guy.

 

[Spirit356]

The DOA characters are all bland, interchangeable women who are in there literally just because of their bodies.

You're not kidding.

https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&tok=sHOuZom3Iw5FV2o4faE6AQ&cp=6&gs_id=4&xhr=t&q=dead+or+alive&rlz=1C1CHKZ_enAU438AU438&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&biw=1920&bih=1017&ion=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=RXk3UJrKBIObiQfS34CYDg

How that strikes anyone as a healthy game culture and attitude towards women is beyond me lol. They couldn't be any more objectified and reduced to sex toy if they tried. The women of DoA are nothing more than moving dolls for men to ogle.

Yes, that's exactly what they are. That's what they are designed as. That does not mean that people who play see women that way. It's fanservice, pandering to teenagers who love that stuff. Sex sells in games just as much as movies and T.V. So many people are overreacting to nothing.

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You guys need to get your story straight. Are they sex objects or engaging characters with real stories? Have a meeting or something.

They're both actually, the DOA series was orginally developed by Tomonobu Itagaki with inspration from both Fatal Fury and Mortal Kombat, DOA is essentially a mish-mash of various things in order to attract as large a market as possible. To quote the man himself:


"I wanted to do something that would attract people's attention as I worked on the DOA game. Of course, DOA is known for its bouncing breasts. Well, I didn't come up with that idea originally. I actually got the idea from one of SNK's 2D fighting games Garou Densetsu. Of course, when I applied it to a 3D game, it was almost too much for people. And of course, it hurts to fall off from high places in DOA, but the idea came from Mortal Kombat. In the case of Mortal Kombat, the 2D fighter, the character falls off and he simply dies. That ends the game. That's it. But we figured it would be more interesting to have the character continue to fight after the fall. And that's what we did."

Also I would never call the characters engaging with interesting plots, I was simply countering the claim that the only reason the characters were there was to look pretty.

 

[Aaron Foltz]

13 pages of "blah, blah, blah"

Bottom line: Nothing wrong with tig 'ol bitties.

 

[kyuubi47]

Are they sex objects or engaging characters with real stories?

Why cant they be both? I hardly doubt the two are mutually exclusive.

 

[HorrendusOne]

13 pages of "blah, blah, blah"

Bottom line: Nothing wrong with tig 'ol bitties.

I agree with this and I'm quite honest sickened by how often I see the word degrading.

Enjoying large breast does not degrade women, If a woman say's she is degraded by their being larger breasts in a video game then it sounds like what they mean is that they are insecure and then project that insecurity into the issue, and flip and turn it upside down into something complicated. Sexism outside the individual only exists where you shove it people's faces. Both genders of human face the same bs but with completely different issues.

If some women having bigger breasts than others is "degrading" then all women on the planet are being constantly degraded by other women simply existing.

(degrading [dɪˈgreɪdɪŋ]
adj
causing humiliation; debasing

de·base (d-bs)
tr.v. de·based, de·bas·ing, de·bas·es
To lower in character, quality, or value; degrade

hu·mil·i·a·tion (hy-ml-shn)
n.
1. The act of humiliating; degradation.
2. The state of being humiliated or disgraced; shame.)


Edit: PS English sucks because you can "interpret" almost every other word how you see fit.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

So it has large breasted girls with jiggle physics. Whoop-dee-doo.

I don't think people care, anymore. Maybe the people who like attention a bit too much do, but... I think it's become one of those things we have become desensitized about.

 

[idarkphoenixi]

I'm completely on their side for this one. This is a Japanese game intended for a Japanese culture and not all cultures go by the same social rules.

Plus, it's just jiggle boobs. People need to loosen up and learn to have fun if they find that offensive. Of course it's not a "realistic" portrayal of women but then again neither is 95% of most male game characters.

 

[CGAdam]

Can I just play the pretty next gen fighting game without it being discussion cannon fodder?

 

[Emiscary]

So you can be shallow and sexist as long as its a cultural staple?

I suppose that's the excuse we've been using to host beauty pageants for the last century, so it's kind of hypocritical to call out the Japanese for enjoying their digital TnA...

 

[The Lunatic]

I'd really be interested to see the responses from people if every male character in these games wore hot pants and sported a bulge.

 

[Paradoxrifts]

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I'm not anti pornography I only brought it up because you said there is no link between objectification and sexual assault, which there is.

I never said that, but I am interested in looking at your claims of evidence now that you've made a point of it. So by all means don't hold back, oblige me.

What I was doing before you rushed to attack me, was refuting the snide remarks that the long term demographical decline of the Japanese population is in any meaningful way informed by factors outside that of gender equitable education and access to modern family planning methods, which have been disastrously combined with an immigration policy that can only be described as xenophobic.

That isn't actually rocket surgery when you think about it. But feel free to go back and check over the links provided if you haven't already done so.

 

[spartan231490]

Good for him, they're the creators and anyone who thinks they have the right to dictate what they do or don't do in their game is a pretentious fuck. Don't like DOA5? Simple solution, don't buy it.

 

[Xangba]

I'd really be interested to see the responses from people if every male character in these games wore hot pants and sported a bulge.

My guess? Not nearly as many cries of sexism.