DoA Dev Says Jiggle Physics Are Part of Japanese Culture

[Batou667]

I'm with the "who gives a fuck" team on this one.

So it's not a realistic depiction of women? Yes, I knew that. Thanks. Nor is Gordon Freeman a "realistic and representative" example of a theoretical physicist, but you don't get legions of whiteknighting girls lining up to berate Valve about that, do you?

We're talking about VIDEOGAMES here. You know, those make-believe fantasy worlds where the limits of believability are routinely stretched to breaking point for the benefit of gameplay. We're dealing with fantasy lands where jumping from a building deals minimal damage (if any), eating mushrooms makes you double in size, gunshot wounds are instantly healed by walking over medi-kits, and dying is a minor irritation that happens multiple times a day. It's not MEANT to be realistic.

Oh, but it's horribly sexist, apparently? Is that really such a big deal? To put this in perspective: Rockstar is currently developing its fifth instalment of its critically acclaimed pedestrian-squashing and prostitute-murdering simulator, and real-life conflicts are being trivialised for the sake of entertainment on an ongoing basis in the CoD and Battlefield franchises. And we're expected to grind our teeth and bewail the inclusion of a few digitally-enhanced, bouncing titties?

This is a storm in a teacup. Or should that be D-cup? Ho ho.

Captcha: eat your vitamins. So we grow nice and big, eh?

 

[PoweD]

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Well...to rephrase, women who are real have made a choice to dress up how they want but in this case the devs have CHOSEN to portray them like that. So you can't really use 'You are just persecuting women' excuse as they aren't sentient.

Men aren't ridiculously sexualised though are they.

Tekken may have pandas and velociraptors beating people up but at least they have a range of female builds rather than Tits and Ass and vacant stare-O-rama like DOA.

They could turn the entire female cast into blow up sex dolls and no one would notice.

Hell guys, you know that when someone say this is sexual exploitation they mean that they are exploiting you not the non existent characters right? I guess you are fine with that.

But so are men.The design thing, is pretty much a double edged sword.

I'm pretty sure they are, if you want to use the "power fantasy" thing, no, i do not want to act like a jerkass in the army spouting shitty lines like Oscar Mike all day while riding on a helicopter with sides open. Neither do i want to have muscles bigger than my head while being half naked.

That argument is pretty much moot, you are still trying to cling to realism with how women are presented.

What's wrong with over sexualization on both genders anyway?
Changing it now certainly wont solve anything.

Person above me pointed out some really good arguments

 

[llubtoille]

I doubt they're a part of their culture in any real extent,
perhaps more so than they are of a western culture,
but I doubt to the extent where it can be deemed to be of cultural significance XD
(though I hear there are some pretty sweet bath-houses in that regard)

as far as sexual portrail (realistic or exadurated) in games,
The violence in most games puts me off for the most part.
(not to say there isn't a market for violence mixed with sex in games, it's just not me)

As far as sexual discrimination, in many games both sexes are treated with an equal lack of realism,
Dudes have arms thicker than my thighs, shoulders I could sit on and an IQ of a potato,
While chicks are hourglasses with a jiggling ass and beachballs on their chests.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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I'm pretty sure there are very very few women who find Kratos or Marcus Fenix attractive. Men aren't sexualised to the amount that women are. You may aswell sit there and say the sky is red.

Men are represented as power fantasies for guys. Being half naked has nothing to do with it. Let me demonstrate with a pic.

Spoiler: the first pic is oversexualised, the second picture isn't even if they were wearing the same clothes

It really anooys me when men say 'Oh it's okay because guys have muscles!' NO IT IS NOT THE SAME THING.

Sexualised man (tried not to make it too racy )

Not sexualised man.

See the difference?

 

[PoweD]

They might not be in video games, but they certainly are in other media, where a female sexual fantasy series earned $2.5 Billion. Yes, that much.

It's not the muscles, it's how they always want to show them off

As pointed out before, this "sexualization" complaint is pointless, because it's always going to exist.

 

[excalipoor]

Men aren't ridiculously sexualised though are they.

They're impossibly cool badasses and eccentric, if slightly flat personalities, with bodies us regular folk can only dream of. Whether they're "sexualised" or not is completely irrelevant: they're created with a male audience in mind.

And sure, as a female gamer that might be a problem. But how about instead of demanding others to stop having fun with things you don't like, you start demanding more of what you DO like? How about that?

Tekken may have pandas and velociraptors beating people up but at least they have a range of female builds rather than Tits and Ass and vacant stare-O-rama like DOA.

They could turn the entire female cast into blow up sex dolls and no one would notice.

Careful, your bias is showing.

Hell guys, you know that when someone say this is sexual exploitation they mean that they are exploiting you not the non existent characters right? I guess you are fine with that.

Yes, I'm fine with that. It's called pandering to an audience, and you're obviously not a part of theirs. Did it bother you when Mass Effect was telling you how awesome and cool and flippin' sweet you are every 10 minutes?

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

They might not be in video games, but they certainly are in other media, where a female sexual fantasy series earned $2.5 Billion. Yes, that much.

It's not the muscles, it's how they always want to show them off

As pointed out before, this "sexualization" complaint is pointless, because it's always going to exist.

So is racism and murder I guess you think those things are fine too!

 

[Elementary - Dear Watson]

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I'm pretty sure there are very very few women who find Kratos or Marcus Fenix attractive. Men aren't sexualised to the amount that women are. You may aswell sit there and say the sky is red.

Men are represented as power fantasies for guys. Being half naked has nothing to do with it. Let me demonstrate with a pic.

Spoiler: the first pic is oversexualised, the second picture isn't even if they were wearing the same clothes

It really anooys me when men say 'Oh it's okay because guys have muscles!' NO IT IS NOT THE SAME THING.

Sexualised man (tried not to make it too racy )

Not sexualised man.

See the difference?

I can see the difference... but is there anything wrong with sexualisation in optional media?

I understand the implications of over-sexualisation in adverts on TV, and on billboards and the like... That is going to be seen a lot easier by impressionable members of society... but video games are more like magazines and movies... It is optional and because of that it comes in varying degrees of sexualisation...

DoA is the equivalent of lads mags, and soft porn... it's for the people who like that kind of thing... I for one don't, so I don't play them! But there is nothing offensive about it, it is just for other people...!

I know it sounds like the cop-out 'but don't look at it' answer... but that is pretty much the case! Sexualisation of characters happens... and some games use that as the premise for a particular audience... if you are not in that audience, then there is not much point in arguing!

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

, you start demanding more of what you DO like? How about that?

That is what I am trying to do.

*hits head repeatedly off desk and slides onto floor*

I don't expect team ninja to delete their back catalog of games or anything but unless we make a noise about how wrong we think it is for women to be objectified everybody is going to think it's okay and carry on doing it regardless. Like Team Sexism over there.

 

[Arina Love]

i'm in support of Jiggle Physics in games!! and big breasted heroines!

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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What if we just want to enjoy the gameplay without having to suffer pandering 24/7 I mean, even the games I mentioned as being a bit more female friendly have Asari, Miranda's bum, Isabella, Serena the horny vampire, Aela etc etc.

You simply can't get away from it. Unless I just play indie platformers for the rest of my days.

 

[SidheKnight]

>Implies breasts larger than your head look attractive.

lolwut

We can't help if other cultures in other countries around the globe think that it's a bad representation. Within our nationality and within our national borders, we obviously have morals that we create our female characters from, but within our Japanese sensibilities, we've made those characters the way they are and we're not going to stop doing that."

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/5531-Twisted-Metal

"Oh, well, that's all right then, as long as you're preserving horrible ideas in the name of tradition. What's good enough for the Catholic church is good enough for you."

Spot on, Yhatzee! Couldn't have said it better myself.

I don't see what's the bad idea in giggle physics and why people are offender by sexy girls in a game that obviously target a straight male demographic...

It's as if I'd get offended by Twilight or 50 Shades of Grey... (which I'm not=

 

[PoweD]

They might not be in video games, but they certainly are in other media, where a female sexual fantasy series earned $2.5 Billion. Yes, that much.

It's not the muscles, it's how they always want to show them off

As pointed out before, this "sexualization" complaint is pointless, because it's always going to exist.

So is racism and murder I guess you think those things are fine too!

Except seeking for a acceptable mate is biological, and has been in history from the dawn of time.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

They might not be in video games, but they certainly are in other media, where a female sexual fantasy series earned $2.5 Billion. Yes, that much.

It's not the muscles, it's how they always want to show them off

As pointed out before, this "sexualization" complaint is pointless, because it's always going to exist.

So is racism and murder I guess you think those things are fine too!

Except seeking for a acceptable mate is biological, and has been in history from the dawn of time.

Which video game character are you planning to mate with? Like I said earlier women can be attractive without being oversexualised.

 

[Spirit356]

Actually can I ask why this is a problem at all? So there are some games where women are fetishised and oversexualised and reduced to cliches and stereotypes and as are male characters but what is the problem? I guess this is what I don't understand, do women believe that men will use this as a meter upon which all women will be judged or what? I'd be glad if an offeneded women could clarify about what exactly offends them about characters such as the DOA women in games.

 

[TJC]

*facepalm*
Look, Team Ninja, it's okay to like tits. Everybody like boobies. They're fun to look at, fun to play with and fun to smoosh your face in and go HUBBALUBBALUBBALUBBA. Now I personally prefer them in a more manageable size (read: not so big that they create their own laws of physics) but as a whole, I like boobs. There's nothing wrong in admitting to that. Frankly, if you'd said that you like jubblies and love making up weird jigglies for them, I would've applauded you for staying true to your own style where even the word "girlfriend" in videogame development leads to a ridiculous shitstorm.
But for fuck's sake... trying to justify sexualization as part of Japanese culture? This is insulting to both you and the culture you claim to defend. Saying "guys, I like dem titties and Imma make a game with copious amounts of huge titties because I like dem titties" is a-ok. Claiming that this is some sort of cultural service to your country is cowardly beyond words.

Seriously, who the fuck keeps giving game developer a microphone? Haven't we learned by now that they're apparently to dumb to brain beyond creating videogames?

 

[Elementary - Dear Watson]

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What if we just want to enjoy the gameplay without having to suffer pandering 24/7 I mean, even the games I mentioned as being a bit more female friendly have Asari, Miranda's bum, Isabella, Serena the horny vampire, Aela etc etc.

You simply can't get away from it. Unless I just play indie platformers for the rest of my days.

But they are hardly a core mechanic are they!? I love the Tomb Raider games myself... and although there is a lot of stuff around the sexualisation of Lara, I have (in the more recent games) never even noticed it!

Also I haven't noticed it in any of the games I have played recently... Tomb Raider Underworld, Portal 2, Enslaved: Oddesey to the West, Skyrim (unless you constantly go around taking peoples clothes off...) AVP, Bastion... Hell, I have even been playing JRPG's such as Lost Magic and last remnant, and there wasn't any there either... maybe you are playing the wrong games! :S

 

[PoweD]

They might not be in video games, but they certainly are in other media, where a female sexual fantasy series earned $2.5 Billion. Yes, that much.

It's not the muscles, it's how they always want to show them off

As pointed out before, this "sexualization" complaint is pointless, because it's always going to exist.

So is racism and murder I guess you think those things are fine too!

Except seeking for a acceptable mate is biological, and has been in history from the dawn of time.

Which video game character are you planning to mate with? Like I said earlier women can be attractive without being oversexualised.

What.

I'm serious, what.

That's like saying, "Which playboy model would you like to marry?"

It's not the mating part, its that humans want to fuck, and they've been doing it since you and me have been arguing over pointless things.

Porn and sex has helped advance various technologies just so it would be easier to fuck.

Have you seen any histories art?T and A's as far as you can see and you complain how a video game wants to pander to a certain demographic?

Honestly, what's wrong with sexualization?
Tell me without comparing it to something else.