Doctor Who: Episode 12: The Pandorica Opens (Spoilers)

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After reading up on some background stuff and a fair bit of speculation it seems possible that the voice in the tardis is either Davros or
Omega.
The second one seems more likely to me since we had Davros in the season 4 finale and I doubt Moffat would use someone quite so obvious.
 

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Can't wait to see how the Doctor gets out of this one!
£5 says Auton-Rory helps!
Only £5? I'd bet triple that!
As would I, if I had any money...

there is of course a chance that Jack wanders in at somepoint having seen the light show.
I want to see more on the Jack being The Face of Bo, Mainly because Bo was my favourite character/face since they re-started the series. He would know how to save the Doctor.
 

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HOLY SHIT. This episode was absolutely brilliant, completely amazing twist! How in HELL is the Doctor going to get out of this one? Tardis and Song are basically destroyed, Amy is dead and The Doctor is trapped.

I expect all of the Doctor's friends in the Universe to come and save him.
Indeedie, it was a very good episode. I just hope the second half of it isn't as sugary as the series finalle where everyone from Torchwood to Sarah-Jane adventurers gets involved in it. I don't mind a happy ending, but alot of that episode's ending was unbearably sugary.

Anywho, it seems unlikely that his friends will be able to find him as the whole universe seems to be exploding.
 

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I am Spy said:
After reading up on some background stuff and a fair bit of speculation it seems possible that the voice in the tardis is either Davros or
Omega.
The second one seems more likely to me since we had Davros in the season 4 finale and I doubt Moffat would use someone quite so obvious.
I do hope it isn't Davros

Omega would be much better
 

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TimeLord said:
I do hope it isn't Davros

Omega would be much better
Lets just hope it is. Or take the fact that making stars go supernova is something Omega has done before as OMG PROOF.
 

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I am Spy said:
TimeLord said:
I do hope it isn't Davros

Omega would be much better
Lets just hope it is. Or take the fact that making stars go supernova is something Omega has done before as OMG PROOF.
As much as I would like to see Omega return, I don't think they could just pluck him out of nowhere. He should have been ideally in the Pandorica, came out, rallied the Doctor's enemies and then got them to put the Doctor inside the Pandorica.
 

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I got it entirely wrong, I thought the Doctor was coming out of the box.

I want my Amy back.
Thats what I thought. I thought one of the old doctors was going to walk out say "Hello me!" then it would end. I knew it had to be the doctor coming out or going in because he keeps saying almost everything in the universe is frightened off him.
 

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I am confused. Didn't the Daleks just try to destroy the universe two years ago? And they absolutely refused to ally with the Cybermen four years ago? If the Doctor was actually going to destroy the universe, why would only the Doctor's enemies try to stop him? Not to mention how all those races got access to time travel.
Well the key difference is that before the Daleks thought they could win. Remember that they planned to destroy the entire universe except for the crucible containing all the Daleks. These Daleks are the last of their race and are far more autonomous than previous Daleks, survival is probably the most important thing now.

Also the cracks were what allowed time travel. The vampires in a previous episode used the cracks to escape their world being destroyed .
Exactly! Even the Daleks realise the threat that the cracks in time pose! They can't ignore something that would wipe them out too
 

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I know this probably not true but I thought the voice was darvos it just sounded like him to me most likely it isn't though
 

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Adamc-mh said:
I know this probably not true but I thought the voice was darvos it just sounded like him to me most likely it isn't though
I'm betting that is what Moffat is wanting everyone is wanting to think, but what purpose does ending the universe serve to a mortal like Davros? Nothing.

But to a non-corporal being like Omega.....
 

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TimeLord said:
Adamc-mh said:
I know this probably not true but I thought the voice was darvos it just sounded like him to me most likely it isn't though
I'm betting that is what Moffat is wanting everyone is wanting to think, but what purpose does ending the universe serve to a mortal like Davros? Nothing.

But to a non-corporal being like Omega.....
It wont be Davros, compare the voices.

It has the same crackly, old voice as Davros, but the voice actor is definitely a different person. I thought it would have been Prisoner Zero, but again, the voices are only slightly alike.

Who could it be I wonder?
 

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I am confused. Didn't the Daleks just try to destroy the universe two years ago? And they absolutely refused to ally with the Cybermen four years ago? If the Doctor was actually going to destroy the universe, why would only the Doctor's enemies try to stop him? Not to mention how all those races got access to time travel.

I think it's a trick. All those aliens were fakes, just like the Romans. Whoever hijacked the TARDIS is also responsible for the duplicants. He/she/it used them to distract the Doctor and get him locked into the Pandorica.

EDIT: I just remembered what the Nestene Consciousness is, which makes my theory less likely. My questions still stand, though.
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1) Yes, the Daleks did try to destroy the omniverse 2 years ago, but they also had a plan to survive it and be the only living things in existence afterwards. In this instance, due to the cracks in time, all points in space and history are being destroyed simoutaneously, which even the Daleks can't survive. Their only hope is to prevent the disaster from occuring so they too aren't wiped out.

2) Yes they refused to ally with the Cybermen 4 years ago, but back then they didn't need to ally with them, being outnumbered as they were 4 Daleks to 5 milion Cybermen (that's the Cybermen being outnumbered of course, not the Daleks). You can also argue, new Daleks, new set of priorities/tactics.

3) Do we even know of any good aliens in the Whoniverse? Seriously I can't even think of 1 species that's consistantly portrayed as "good". Even the Shadow Proclamation are only really neutral and concerned with maintaining order in the universe and well, they use the Judoon, who were there as well. Generally speaking all the evil races are far more technologically advanced and willing to do whatever is neccesary to stop the Doctor, who they all also hate equally and so would provide good motivation for them to combine forces against.

4) They all got time travel because the universe is unravelling at the seams. Those cracks allowed those vampires a few episodes back to cross over to Earth, and allowed Cybermen from another dimension to cross over. Pretty much any race can now cross over to wherever the plot demands because of those cracks in time. Or failing that, the Daleks sought them all out and loaned them some tech.

5) Nah, pretty sure all the races are real, it's just the soldiers who are Nestene controlled. But yeah, I agree they've all just been tricked into allying against the Doctor and trapping him because they think he's gona destroy the universe, orchastrated by whoever has hacked the TARDIS, in order to keep the Doctor away while he uses the TARDIS to destroy the Omniverse. The orchastrater is also Davros, based on the voice we heard.
 

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Imperatis said:
I see other people thought the voice in tardis sounded like Davros too, I might be misremembering but didn't Dalek Caan say something to the effect of "silence is coming" too.
*flame shield*
good isn't just me who thought that too
 

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TimeLord said:
I'm betting that is what Moffat is wanting everyone is wanting to think, but what purpose does ending the universe serve to a mortal like Davros? Nothing.

But to a non-corporal being like Omega.....
Omega himself was sucked through a black hole into a universe made of anti-matter after a star exploded was he not?

Now all the stars are exploding and creating black holes...

Maybe I'm just grasping at straws here. I should stop.
 

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TimeLord said:
Adamc-mh said:
I know this probably not true but I thought the voice was darvos it just sounded like him to me most likely it isn't though
I'm betting that is what Moffat is wanting everyone is wanting to think, but what purpose does ending the universe serve to a mortal like Davros? Nothing.

But to a non-corporal being like Omega.....


I tip my hat to you good sir you know your doctor who well
 

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Chrono212 said:
ZOMG
Anyway, who
made the romans?
The Nestene. Even though it was pre-established that they need to keep live original copies of whatever they're plastic-ing.

Why were there cyberships by the way? All of the cybermen were from an alternate universe and then quickly sucked back into the void between. That'd be fine if they're brought back the "this universe" cybermen but they didn't so... yeah...

Was guessing the box would contain either the tardis or the doctor but the twist was immediately obvious when "The pandorica is ready" was uttered.

As for the cracks... that doesnt make an ounce of sense. Okay there were all these timelords with bigger better tardises of their own but during the big time war were they were all conveniently wiped out off screen not one of their tardises was destroyed? That sounds rather implausible.
 

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I am Spy said:
TimeLord said:
I'm betting that is what Moffat is wanting everyone is wanting to think, but what purpose does ending the universe serve to a mortal like Davros? Nothing.

But to a non-corporal being like Omega.....
Omega himself was sucked through a black hole into a universe made of anti-matter after a star exploded was he not?

Now all the stars are exploding and creating black holes...

Maybe I'm just grasping at straws here. I should stop.
That's my point, if Omega isn't a physical being then he has no need for the physical universe once it is no more
 

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My god that was unreal!! Seriously I knew Moffat was good, but that was... spectacular. I've only got two theories for how the next episode goes:

1. It was the doctor controlling the Tardis from within the Pandorica (In the future), the cracks in time let him escape and then there is day saving.. somehow.

2. It was the Valelord (I think that's how it's spelt) controlling the Tardis and they're all F***ed.


P.S Did anyone notice that the all important date (26th of June 2010) is next saturday, the day of the finale, good foreshadowing or what?
Its the Valeyard. And that would be difficult as the Valeyard IS the Doctor.

Timey-Wimey Ball logic says could he go back in time to set the scheme up and rewrite himself out of existance,, haven't watched too much classic series though so I don't know how consistant that is with his motivations.
 

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TimeLord said:
That's my point, if Omega isn't a physical being then he has no need for the physical universe once it is no more
Thats true, but we didn't see Sol exploding as the Earth would have been immediately destroyed so the physical universe would still exist if not everything is gone. As far as I can remember, Omega wasn't too happy with his non-corporal form or the universe that he ended up in so IF Omega returns, it would either be for revenge or an attempt to bring himself back to whatever of the physical realm remains (somehow) using the massive amount of energy from the billions of supernovas.

It all seems a bit too silly.