Doctor Who: Episode 12: The Pandorica Opens (Spoilers)

[Proverbial Jon]

In relation to the cybermen logo (too many quotes to fit!) I swear that in the first trailer after the first episode in this season I saw a stylized cyberman head in place of the Cybus logo...can anyone confirm or deny that?

I am dead certain that you are right, sir! But can I find proof of this? No! Nowhere! But I remember being excited about Non-Cybus industries Cybermen.

OT: LOVED this episode! I swear I was so close to the screen my nose was almost touching. Moffat is the best thing to happen to DW since RTD revived it!

Can't wait to see how the Doctor gets out of this one!

 

[Chrono212]

dunno seemed rather predictable and boring to me no intrigue just oblviouness on the part of the characters

Aww, well, can't please everyone Did you enjoy any of the other seasons?

 

[TimeLord]

Except Gallfrey. Probably.

Gallifrey is lock in the Time War, but if the universe never exists then there is no Gallifrey to start with

 

[Cpt Corallis]

Just thought of something. It's a bit convoluted and incredibly geeky, but stick with me.

It's been suggested that the Doctor stole the TARDIS from Gallifrey rather than getting it by any "official" means, so it's possible that it was another Timelord's before his. And due to the infinate size inside the TARDIS it's possible that there are areas he's never even been or aware of. In these areas could be a secret Big Bad who the Doctor was unaware of, which may have been biding his/her/it's time until he/she/it could make "silence fall" and orchestrated the whole alliance.

The Valeyard aaaaaa. That is a class theory tho.

Maybe in a few more incarnations.

Everything i have read suggests number twelve, also at some part the Valyard becomes Merlin to King Arthur. As a result the bit with the good wizard had me jumping out of my seat!

 

[PoliceBox63]

I loved the end with the music and no sound effect but the Alliance music bit was dirty
General Skaar "All reality is threatened...We will save the universe from you."
Cyber "All projections correlate, all evidence concurs, the Doctor will destroy the universe."
This is a really good scene showing the Doctor from the point of view of the enemies. For a momnet it's like this show is about them and the Doctor is our weekly enemy. It's nice to have this point of view and the music makes id even more emotive.

EDIT:The music stopping at the end was epic too. But our sun still hasn't nova'd. How convenient

 

[TimeLord]

Can't wait to see how the Doctor gets out of this one!

£5 says Auton-Rory helps!

 

[Milhous]

Except Gallfrey. Probably.

Gallifrey is lock in the Time War, but if the universe never exists then there is no Gallifrey to start with

But isn't the locked Gallifrey independent of the rest of the universe?

 

[Wes1180]

I just thought.. how did the Nestine Consciousness go back in time from roughly 26/6/2010 to the roman times? Or at least send the plastic romans back anyway (which sounds quite funny to me... plastic romans )

 

[Paddin]

Can't wait to see how the Doctor gets out of this one!

£5 says Auton-Rory helps!

Only £5? I'd bet triple that!

 

[PoliceBox63]

Just thought of something. It's a bit convoluted and incredibly geeky, but stick with me.

It's been suggested that the Doctor stole the TARDIS from Gallifrey rather than getting it by any "official" means, so it's possible that it was another Timelord's before his. And due to the infinate size inside the TARDIS it's possible that there are areas he's never even been or aware of. In these areas could be a secret Big Bad who the Doctor was unaware of, which may have been biding his/her/it's time until he/she/it could make "silence fall" and orchestrated the whole alliance.

The Valeyard aaaaaa. That is a class theory tho.

Maybe in a few more incarnations.

Wibbly wobbly timey wimey he could've hidden himself deep in the TARDIS ages ago. And because he is the doctor he could have created a room that our doctor doesn't know about.

 

[Milhous]

I just thought.. how did the Nestine Consciousness go back in time from roughly 26/6/2010 to the roman times? Or at least send the plastic romans back anyway (which sounds quite funny to me... plastic romans )

Dalek vortex vehicles.

 

[XJ-0461]

Yes, the Doctor's TARDIS was stolen, but it is an older model to what other Time Lords used. I always assumed that The Doctor's TARDIS was put out of action in replacement for the newer models, and so The Doctor stole it when it did not have an owner. Otherwise, seeming its a living being, surely it would have rejected The Doctor in favour for its previous owner.

Hmmm, a good point. Then maybe it could have been something to do with the TARDIS' own regeneration at the start of the series. A glitch in it's programming/personality perhaps?

The Valeyard aaaaaa. That is a class theory tho.

I doubt it would be the Valeyard just yet, as it's supposed to happen between his 12th and 13th incarnation.

 

[TimeLord]

Except Gallfrey. Probably.

Gallifrey is lock in the Time War, but if the universe never exists then there is no Gallifrey to start with

But isn't the locked Gallifrey independent of the rest of the universe?

Yes, it is Time Locked from interference, but if the universe ceases to exist, the Time Lock can never be created to start with.

It's basically the Crack in Time effect but applied to EVERYTHING!

 

[PoliceBox63]

I just thought.. how did the Nestine Consciousness go back in time from roughly 26/6/2010 to the roman times? Or at least send the plastic romans back anyway (which sounds quite funny to me... plastic romans )

It doesn't have to be chronoligical this could be a) a different nestene or b) before Eccleston destroyed it in the nestene's timeline

 

[everfreeDragon]

I just thought.. how did the Nestine Consciousness go back in time from roughly 26/6/2010 to the roman times? Or at least send the plastic romans back anyway (which sounds quite funny to me... plastic romans )

Well the Alliance was made of pretty much the universe, I'm sure some of them have access to time travel.

 

[Milhous]

The Valeyard aaaaaa. That is a class theory tho.

I doubt it would be the Valeyard just yet, as it's supposed to happen between his 12th and 13th incarnation.

Exactly. And it'd be slightly anticlimactic.

 

[Chrono212]

Except Gallfrey. Probably.

Gallifrey is lock in the Time War, but if the universe never exists then there is no Gallifrey to start with

Spoiler: like this?

 

[Professor Cubbage]

I just thought.. how did the Nestine Consciousness go back in time from roughly 26/6/2010 to the roman times? Or at least send the plastic romans back anyway (which sounds quite funny to me... plastic romans )

Didn't the Nestine Consciousness die in "Rose"? Perhaps there were more plastic blobs somewhere.

 

[Geo Da Sponge]

I just thought.. how did the Nestine Consciousness go back in time from roughly 26/6/2010 to the roman times? Or at least send the plastic romans back anyway (which sounds quite funny to me... plastic romans )

Everyone keeps saying that the plastic Romans were made by the Nestine Consciousness, and yes, they do have the same 'handguns' and are made of plastic, but as I recall the drones made by the Nestine Consciousness were far less convincing and much more robotic. I think the Romans were probably just made by another member of the Alliance; after all, we know that the Daleks at least have sufficient technology to create incredibly realistic human replicas.

 

[PoliceBox63]

Except Gallfrey. Probably.

Gallifrey is lock in the Time War, but if the universe never exists then there is no Gallifrey to start with

But isn't the locked Gallifrey independent of the rest of the universe?

It is yes. But the time war would never.... no wait..... hang the fuck on if Gallifrey is locked in the Time War then it's not there to be touched by the crack :O :O :O but no then again the cracks are throughout all time so it means everything that ever existed is going