Doctor Who: Episode 12: The Pandorica Opens (Spoilers)

[Plinglebob]

I loved the end with the music and no sound effect but the Alliance music bit was dirty
General Skaar "All reality is threatened...We will save the universe from you."
Cyber "All projections correlate, all evidence concurs, the Doctor will destroy the universe."
This is a really good scene showing the Doctor from the point of view of the enemies. For a momnet it's like this show is about them and the Doctor is our weekly enemy. It's nice to have this point of view and the music makes id even more emotive.

Thats why I thought the Doctor would be in it already. All we ever do is see the Doctor arrive, kick someones arse in a fairly humiliating way and leave, but we never see the results of it. The closest we ever got to seeing the impact he has is in Love and Monsters, Donna's 1st episode after the wedding and Amys reaction to his appearence and dis-appearence when she was young. In all three of these we are shown people who's lives would have been better if the doctor never existed. I really hope they have the balls next season to do an episode from a 3rd person perspective where the doctor is shown as the villan.

 

[Paddin]

Except Gallfrey. Probably.

Gallifrey is lock in the Time War, but if the universe never exists then there is no Gallifrey to start with

But isn't the locked Gallifrey independent of the rest of the universe?

Well, the Doctor created the time lock, but I assume it is not independent, seeming Dalek Caan time travelled, somehow, through the time lock, into the Time War. The time lock means you can't travel there, and nothing can travel out of it. So, it is still part of the universe, but inaccessible to the rest of it.

 

[TimeLord]

I just thought.. how did the Nestine Consciousness go back in time from roughly 26/6/2010 to the roman times? Or at least send the plastic romans back anyway (which sounds quite funny to me... plastic romans )

Didn't the Nestine Consciousness die in "Rose"? Perhaps there were more plastic blobs somewhere.

They could be controlled by whatever is controlling the TARDIS

Or there could be more than one Nestine

 

[PoliceBox63]

I just thought.. how did the Nestine Consciousness go back in time from roughly 26/6/2010 to the roman times? Or at least send the plastic romans back anyway (which sounds quite funny to me... plastic romans )

Everyone keeps saying that the plastic Romans were made by the Nestine Consciousness, and yes, they do have the same 'handguns' and are made of plastic, but as I recall the drones made by the Nestine Consciousness were far less convincing and much more robotic. I think the Romans were probably just made by another member of the Alliance; after all, we know that the Daleks at least have sufficient technology to create incredibly realistic human replicas.

The Doctor said the Nestene

 

[Wes1180]

Just thought of something. It's a bit convoluted and incredibly geeky, but stick with me.

It's been suggested that the Doctor stole the TARDIS from Gallifrey rather than getting it by any "official" means, so it's possible that it was another Timelord's before his. And due to the infinate size inside the TARDIS it's possible that there are areas he's never even been or aware of. In these areas could be a secret Big Bad who the Doctor was unaware of, which may have been biding his/her/it's time until he/she/it could make "silence fall" and orchestrated the whole alliance.

Hasn't the doctor said a few times that he would know if there was another Timelord because he would be able to "feel it" and the only way the Master managed to get away with it was because he used the stopwatch thingy to become human... Not criticising just wondering

 

[Geo Da Sponge]

I just thought.. how did the Nestine Consciousness go back in time from roughly 26/6/2010 to the roman times? Or at least send the plastic romans back anyway (which sounds quite funny to me... plastic romans )

Everyone keeps saying that the plastic Romans were made by the Nestine Consciousness, and yes, they do have the same 'handguns' and are made of plastic, but as I recall the drones made by the Nestine Consciousness were far less convincing and much more robotic. I think the Romans were probably just made by another member of the Alliance; after all, we know that the Daleks at least have sufficient technology to create incredibly realistic human replicas.

The Doctor said the Nestene

Did he? Damn, I must not have been paying attention.

 

[TimeLord]

Except Gallfrey. Probably.

Gallifrey is lock in the Time War, but if the universe never exists then there is no Gallifrey to start with

But isn't the locked Gallifrey independent of the rest of the universe?

Well, the Doctor created the time lock, but I assume it is not independent, seeming Dalek Caan time travelled, somehow through the time lock, into the Time War. The time lock means you can't travel there, and nothing can travel out of it. So, it is still part of the universe, but inaccessible to the rest of it.

A good example is the Time Lock at Torchwood at the end of series 4

To everyone inside the Time Lock, time runs as normal, same to everyone outside, but viewing each other makes it seem as though they are frozen in time as they are not accessible

 

[TimeLord]

I just thought.. how did the Nestine Consciousness go back in time from roughly 26/6/2010 to the roman times? Or at least send the plastic romans back anyway (which sounds quite funny to me... plastic romans )

Everyone keeps saying that the plastic Romans were made by the Nestine Consciousness, and yes, they do have the same 'handguns' and are made of plastic, but as I recall the drones made by the Nestine Consciousness were far less convincing and much more robotic. I think the Romans were probably just made by another member of the Alliance; after all, we know that the Daleks at least have sufficient technology to create incredibly realistic human replicas.

The Doctor said the Nestene

Did he? Damn, I must not have been paying attention.

I'm betting there is more than one Nestine anyway!

 

[Milhous]

Just thought of something. It's a bit convoluted and incredibly geeky, but stick with me.

It's been suggested that the Doctor stole the TARDIS from Gallifrey rather than getting it by any "official" means, so it's possible that it was another Timelord's before his. And due to the infinate size inside the TARDIS it's possible that there are areas he's never even been or aware of. In these areas could be a secret Big Bad who the Doctor was unaware of, which may have been biding his/her/it's time until he/she/it could make "silence fall" and orchestrated the whole alliance.

Hasn't the doctor said a few times that he would know if there was another Timelord because he would be able to "feel it" and the only way the Master managed to get away with it was because he used the stopwatch thingy to become human... Not criticising just wondering

...except that Saxon was already in London by that point.

 

[PoliceBox63]

reverse the snip-arity

Thats why I thought the Doctor would be in it already. All we ever do is see the Doctor arrive, kick someones arse in a fairly humiliating way and leave, but we never see the results of it. The closest we ever got to seeing the impact he has is in Love and Monsters, Donna's 1st episode after the wedding and Amys reaction to his appearence and dis-appearence when she was young. In all three of these we are shown people who's lives would have been better if the doctor never existed. I really hope they have the balls next season to do an episode from a 3rd person perspective where the doctor is shown as the villan.

Now that would be good. The closest we ever got to this subject was 10 seeing how the companions feel they must put their lives on the line for him and how Davros accused him of manipulating humans to do his dirty work. IO would love to see the Doctor watch like all of his "aftershock"s.

 

[not_the_dm]

Can't wait to see how the Doctor gets out of this one!

£5 says Auton-Rory helps!

Only £5? I'd bet triple that!

As would I, if I had any money...

But yeah, Plastic-Rory will probably help and there is of course a chance that Jack wanders in at somepoint having seen the light show.

Was I the only one who thought the voice saying "Silence will fall" sounded like Davros?

 

[Rakkana]

I can see I'm near alone in hating it.

 

[Paddin]

Hmmm, a good point. Then maybe it could have been something to do with the TARDIS' own regeneration at the start of the series. A glitch in it's programming/personality perhaps?

I'm not so sure, the TARDIS is a living being so it being able to glitch is questionable. It is possible, seeming it is described as a time machine, but its always been shown to be alive and sometimes to have its own agenda. River said several times that it was being controlled, so by who or what? Although, yeah its possible as if it has regenerated, maybe its changed in some aspects.

 

[PoliceBox63]

Just thought of something. It's a bit convoluted and incredibly geeky, but stick with me.

It's been suggested that the Doctor stole the TARDIS from Gallifrey rather than getting it by any "official" means, so it's possible that it was another Timelord's before his. And due to the infinate size inside the TARDIS it's possible that there are areas he's never even been or aware of. In these areas could be a secret Big Bad who the Doctor was unaware of, which may have been biding his/her/it's time until he/she/it could make "silence fall" and orchestrated the whole alliance.

Hasn't the doctor said a few times that he would know if there was another Timelord because he would be able to "feel it" and the only way the Master managed to get away with it was because he used the stopwatch thingy to become human... Not criticising just wondering

...except that Saxon was already in London then.

But the Doctor was never really close enough to Saxon to realise his presence...

 

[Not-here-anymore]

This was brilliant. Just as all the races teleported down I realised what the Pandorica was for and what they were all going to do, hell I even ended up talking with the Dalek as it said "ready for you." So.. awesome. It was an incredibly odd feeling to have a role reversal like that and have all the evil races unite to save the Universe.

My quote of the episode would be the Cybermen saying "You will be assimilated." I giggled like a nerd for about 5 minutes.

I realised what it was for at about the same time. I'd originally thought that it contained the doctor already (crossed time-line fun), since it fit with the whole 'warrior-trickster appearing from the sky and destroying civilisations' thing he'd described earlier (before the episode, the fact that it was meant to contain the most terrifying single being in the universe, and everything fears the doctor, was a big clue)

 

[Not-here-anymore]

Oops, my first double post...

 

[TimeLord]

Just thought of something. It's a bit convoluted and incredibly geeky, but stick with me.

It's been suggested that the Doctor stole the TARDIS from Gallifrey rather than getting it by any "official" means, so it's possible that it was another Timelord's before his. And due to the infinate size inside the TARDIS it's possible that there are areas he's never even been or aware of. In these areas could be a secret Big Bad who the Doctor was unaware of, which may have been biding his/her/it's time until he/she/it could make "silence fall" and orchestrated the whole alliance.

Hasn't the doctor said a few times that he would know if there was another Timelord because he would be able to "feel it" and the only way the Master managed to get away with it was because he used the stopwatch thingy to become human... Not criticising just wondering

...except that Saxon was already in London by that point.

He used ArcAngel to hide his presence from the Doctor

 

[PoliceBox63]

I just thought.. how did the Nestine Consciousness go back in time from roughly 26/6/2010 to the roman times? Or at least send the plastic romans back anyway (which sounds quite funny to me... plastic romans )

Everyone keeps saying that the plastic Romans were made by the Nestine Consciousness, and yes, they do have the same 'handguns' and are made of plastic, but as I recall the drones made by the Nestine Consciousness were far less convincing and much more robotic. I think the Romans were probably just made by another member of the Alliance; after all, we know that the Daleks at least have sufficient technology to create incredibly realistic human replicas.

The Doctor said the Nestene

Did he? Damn, I must not have been paying attention.

@TimeLord:
"Plastic Romans! Duplicates! Driven by the Nestene Consciousness, eh? In deep cover, but what for...."

 

[TimeLord]

Just thought of something. It's a bit convoluted and incredibly geeky, but stick with me.

It's been suggested that the Doctor stole the TARDIS from Gallifrey rather than getting it by any "official" means, so it's possible that it was another Timelord's before his. And due to the infinate size inside the TARDIS it's possible that there are areas he's never even been or aware of. In these areas could be a secret Big Bad who the Doctor was unaware of, which may have been biding his/her/it's time until he/she/it could make "silence fall" and orchestrated the whole alliance.

Hasn't the doctor said a few times that he would know if there was another Timelord because he would be able to "feel it" and the only way the Master managed to get away with it was because he used the stopwatch thingy to become human... Not criticising just wondering

...except that Saxon was already in London then.

But the Doctor was never really close enough to Saxon to realise his presence...

The Master used the ArcAngel network to hide his psychic presence from the Doctor

 

[Milhous]

Just thought of something. It's a bit convoluted and incredibly geeky, but stick with me.

It's been suggested that the Doctor stole the TARDIS from Gallifrey rather than getting it by any "official" means, so it's possible that it was another Timelord's before his. And due to the infinate size inside the TARDIS it's possible that there are areas he's never even been or aware of. In these areas could be a secret Big Bad who the Doctor was unaware of, which may have been biding his/her/it's time until he/she/it could make "silence fall" and orchestrated the whole alliance.

Hasn't the doctor said a few times that he would know if there was another Timelord because he would be able to "feel it" and the only way the Master managed to get away with it was because he used the stopwatch thingy to become human... Not criticising just wondering

...except that Saxon was already in London by that point.

He used ArcAngel to hide his presence from the Doctor

Exactly. Just pointing out that the Master already was there, in his Time Lord form.