Doctor Who: Episode 12: The Pandorica Opens (Spoilers)

[everfreeDragon]

Epic battle setting.
Epic Speech of victory.
Rory is alive.
River Song.
Plenty of plot twists.
Unexpected Prisoner.
Seeing the Doctor not have a way out.
The Universe un-starting.

I think that adds up to an extremely awesome episode, I want a time machine so I can see the next one right now!

 

[EightGaugeHippo]

All through the episode I was thinking either:
The Tardis would be inside the box
Or The Dr would be.
I was almost right!
=D

 

[TimeLord]

I don't know how loud I can say this but

TIME TRAVEL DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!

No matter how often you claim big timey wimey ball you cannot just try to resolve your writing fumbles with use of it.

To whit:

We know for sure shooting fact that River Song died with the tenth Doctor David tenant in her future, the doctor's past, aving met and married the Doctor at a later point in his current timeline.

This means that River Song cannot die now, because it means that No. 10 will never have met her, meaning No. 11 won't trust her in the same way that he did because he had previously met her as No. 10, meaning that the entire events of this season would be thrown into nonsense by the rewriting of history. You can't just change stuff like that.

The only other option to choose is that River Song does not die, the Doctor does not die, and clearly the universe cannot have not existed (Unless they want to claim that they are just undoing all of the Doctor Who continuity for no real reason) meaning there is very little dramatic tension. We know he must succeed and that River must live because they have already met in the future, meaning that there must be a future otherwise this future could not have progressed as it did.

The only tension is whether Amy dies, which frankly I don't care about from a longer term time travel story point of view (sure emotionally her death would suck, but that's not the issue). I love Steven Moffat, and after he went so far as to coin the phrase 'big timey wimey ball' I thought he understood time paradox a little better tha this. This is a weak storyline with no tension behind it because unless they end the series with the universe utterly destroyed then we already know how the problem is resolved.

I could write a better time travel story than this, and mine suck.

Time can be re-written, the universe will create a universe around the events. The cracks were not a fact in 10's time. The Pandorica changes things

 

[rtbailey]

"Let someone else try first."
Hmm. Well, yeah, I was calling that the Doctor would be the one inside the pandorica, but not quite in that sense. Oh well. I did like the little "Old wizards turn out to be him" when infact he was the demon, or trickster. All in all...I'm going for the TARDIS being evil or it being the Master...Or, then again, it could be someone we've never seen before.

 

[Enemy Of The State]

My honest opinion? Everything except the last ten minutes was complete bollocks.

Agreed, although it will be interesting to see how the Doctor wriggles out of this one.

Great episode.

 

[Chrono212]

P.S Did anyone notice that the all important date (26th of June 2010) is next saturday, the day of the finale, good foreshadowing or what?

Yarp, I kinda like how they put it in a real date and time so you can go "OH MA GAWD, THAT'S LIKE TOTALLY NEXT WEEK!!1" No, that wasn't sarcastic

Anyway,

Spoiler: who

made the plastic romans?

 

[Crayzor]

Why the hell didn't River ever tell the Doctor what the Pandorica was for?

 

[gibboss28]

ZOMG

'nuff said.

Anyway, who

Spoiler

made the romans?

Spoiler

The alliance of universal bad fuckers, I guess.

 

[FairlyFrightenedFeline]

Ending made me say What. The. Fack.

How can they come back from

Spoiler

every single star supernova'ing destroying the whole of existance?

Also, what did the stone wall infront of the TARDIS door mean?

River couldn't exit, TARDIS couldn't shut down so it exploded

Ah, I thought the it was just the doors were locked and the stone wall was just a FUCK YOU to River.

 

[DoctorWhat]

ZOMG

'nuff said.

Anyway, who

Spoiler

made the romans?

Autons

We finally find out what River is... Kind of. Rather than "sweetie," she refers to the doc as "my love." Interesting no?

 

[TimeLord]

ZOMG

'nuff said.

Anyway, who

Spoiler

made the romans?

Nestine Consciousness

Series 1 Episode 1

 

[LostTimeLady]

I've already voiced my initial opinion on the TARDIS crew chat board but now I'm more composed all I can say is,
Wow, what an episode! What a plot twist! What a puzzle box things are turning out to be!
"Pandorica? Ha! That's a fairy story."
"Aren't we all?"
So many hints, so many layers! Fantastic Stephen Moffet, what an incredible narative web you have weaved!

 

[Flamezdudes]

ZOMG

'nuff said.

Anyway, who

Spoiler

made the romans?

Spoiler

The Cybermen of course, they're using their laser hand thingys.

 

[Professor Cubbage]

I almost thought for a minute that the Daleks came out of the box and I was like "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!".

i did the exact same, but strangly at the back of my head i knew what was going to happen

I thought that they were going to make them the main villains just like every other series finale. I hope they never come back again, the episode called "Dalek" should have been the last one.

 

[Chrono212]

So many hints, so many layers! Fantastic Stephen Moffet, what an incredible narative web you have weaved!

Yay! RTD isn't the be all and end all!

 

[PoliceBox63]

I almost thought for a minute that the Daleks came out of the box and I was like "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!".

Yes i had the same feeling i was like FFS! >

 

[Teachingaddict]

P.S Did anyone notice that the all important date (26th of June 2010) is next saturday, the day of the finale, good foreshadowing or what?

Yarp, I kinda like how they put it in a real date and time so you can go "OH MA GAWD, THAT'S LIKE TOTALLY NEXT WEEK!!1" No, that wasn't sarcastic

Anyway,

Spoiler: who

made the plastic romans?

The Dalek's already made an android think back to the Churchill episode makes sense that they could build an army of androids.

 

[Plinglebob]

I don't know how loud I can say this but

TIME TRAVEL DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!

I'm sorry, but you're watching a CHILDREN'S TV SHOW!! and you're pissed that the rules regarding time-travel mean there's no tension? Thats like bitching because Mario has no guns. If anything, you could argue that the cracks arn't caused by the Tardis exploding, but by the large paradox created by River Song being blown up and therefore not existing.

P.S Did anyone notice that the all important date (26th of June 2010) is next saturday, the day of the finale, good foreshadowing or what?

First thing I did when they showed the date on the Angels episode was check the calander and work out when the last episode would be.

 

[PoliceBox63]

My god that was unreal!! Seriously I knew Moffat was good, but that was... spectacular. I've only got two theories for how the next episode goes:

1. It was the doctor controlling the Tardis from within the Pandorica (In the future), the cracks in time let him escape and then there is day saving.. somehow.

2. It was the Valelord (I think that's how it's spelt) controlling the Tardis and they're all F***ed.


P.S Did anyone notice that the all important date (26th of June 2010) is next saturday, the day of the finale, good foreshadowing or what?

HOLY... wow didn't notice that, that is epic
The Valeyard is a good theory heheh
And the Doctor has a telepathic link with the TARDIS so maybe
Who was that voice :O ??