Doctor Who Series 6.6: 'The Almost People' SPOILERS

[Togs]

There's a difference between what he's done in the past - killing for a good reason - and what he does now - kill for the sheer burnin' hell of it.

The Doctor should be two things: nominally good and smarter than the audience. When the audience can think up a better plan than he can in the same time he looks like a moron and the doctor can NEVER be a moron. Being a moron ruins his character.

A fair amount of it is 'macguffin creep' and other shows suffer from that too but Doctor Who is built around how clever this guy is and that he's the ultimate authority. He's basically become an inconsistent idiot that most viewers could do a better job than.

And how is killing Flesh!Amy not for a good cause? Its the 1st step in finding and saving her, its death was a terrible but necessary thing.
And I know different people take different things from the same TV show but it sounds to me like you've been taken in far too much by the Tennant era, where he was turned from eccentric but brilliant alien into a pseudo messiah.
I'd love to hear how you think you could of done it better as well.
The Doctor is not infallible, he's just as flawed as any human only his fuck ups have far more far reaching consequences.

 

[Wes1180]

Ok, to explain:

Amy was in a harness, but it was different tech to the gangers they dealt with at the mine. It was more advanced. The Doctor wanted to wake Amy up and, presumably, have a fighting chance wherever she was.
It wasn't a seperate, conscious flesh like the gangers were. It was of the sort that deactivates when you seperate the connection.
The Doctor didn't destroy the flesh, he severed the connection. The flesh was destroyed as a result.

My thoughts exactly


Also I think jen transforming was just a way to kill the flesh doctor, also everyone probably could have made it into the tardis if they ran as soon as that first door was locked (which did nothing to stop her might I add)

 

[MarsProbe]

Ok, to explain:


One continuity error - he gives a screwdriver to his ganger, but then pulls out a second one in the control room?
Or did I miss something?

Hahah, I actually typed what I thought was a brilliant explanation of this, but realised I missed the fact that the Doctor ganger used a screwdriver to kill the monster Jen ganger then the real Doctor used one to kill the Amy ganger. Perhaps the Doctor has taken to keeping a spare, just in case? If not then yeh, continuity failure there indeed.

 

[Wes1180]

I just realised that the flesh thing is simply a way to get around the whole "looking pregnant" thing.

Was a great twist though

 

[Togs]

You've said that before and I seem to remember saying that I hated Tennant's gurning ninny of a Doctor. My favourite is actually Ecclestone as it goes; willing to kill, happy to kill but also sure of his options. Tennant always had a magical answer ready for everything except season 3 which I thought was brilliant from around halfway through.

My point is that killing the ganger wasn't necessary, he was basically being shocking to make a point. I understand that but using the TARDIS (itself custom-made for monitoring things) could have shown Amy was a ganger, preserved her life and saved 'real her' the terror of waking up. The TARDIS can apparently track almost everything ever given the number of things it's tracked so I see no good reason to do what he did.

The Doctor isn't as fallible as a human, in the past he's been shown to be mercurial and not given to explaining himself but it's always turned out that he's been pretty much right when all's said and done. Not always selecting the optimal course of action in hindsight but always making some kind of sense. This season has just made the Doctor look short sighted and idiotic.

That's the problem; his decisions haven't been making logical sense even within an episode. He's been flip flopping around and pretty much doing whatever the plot requires, I'm a great believer in the characters writing the story, not the story twisting the characters. If you can't imagine the Doctor evangelising about the Flesh being sentient and in pain and then killing the Flesh because...why again?...then it's not consistent. It effectively ceases being a story about a character and becomes a series of events.

I personally see little difference between Eccleston and Smith, and your objections dont make any sense to me.
Ultimately this seems to boil down to differing perceptions, things that neither us will be able to change in the other, but if your not enjoying it why not just stop watching it?

 

[CommanderKirov]

I loved the episode. But could anyone explain why The Doctor dissolved Flesh!Amy?

Because it was dramatic.


The whole episode was underwhelming. The Amy turning out to be flesh was such a cheap way to make something dramatic.

And why exactly could not the normal doctor stay behind and liquidize the rampaging monster Jen so everyone could live?

So many plot holes...


EDIT: Oh yes, and spending an entire two part episode establishing the fact that "Gangers are real" and "They have as much right to humanity as we do" than just liquidizing "Ganger-Pond" without too much emotion and at least wondering for "A way to disconect her from original" was just so shockingly stupid.

Well here's hoping for a good mid-finale

 

[The Funslinger]

"A good man will go to war"
Now that looks amazing. Although theres going to be a hefty cliffhanger at the end of the next episode and it will be months until we can find out what happens.

Months? Why!? TELL ME!!!

OT: I really expected the flesh to turn out to be the nestine consciousness.

 

[The Funslinger]

I loved the episode. But could anyone explain why The Doctor dissolved Flesh!Amy?

Because it was dramatic.


The whole episode was underwhelming. The Amy turning out to be flesh was such a cheap way to make something dramatic.

Not really, he did it because real Amy was going into labour. Strikes me as something she needs to be there for.

 

[Count Igor]

I was hoping for an ending that everyone there was flesh, (the workers, I mean) and so when they got back to the mainland via TARDIS, no-one was expecting them, as the shuttle would just have de-comissioned them instead. Thus starts a new human race! :3

 

[The Funslinger]

There's a difference between what he's done in the past - killing for a good reason - and what he does now - kill for the sheer burnin' hell of it.

The Doctor should be two things: nominally good and smarter than the audience. When the audience can think up a better plan than he can in the same time he looks like a moron and the doctor can NEVER be a moron. Being a moron ruins his character.

A fair amount of it is 'macguffin creep' and other shows suffer from that too but Doctor Who is built around how clever this guy is and that he's the ultimate authority. He's basically become an inconsistent idiot that most viewers could do a better job than.

And how is killing Flesh!Amy not for a good cause? Its the 1st step in finding and saving her, its death was a terrible but necessary thing.
And I know different people take different things from the same TV show but it sounds to me like you've been taken in far too much by the Tennant era, where he was turned from eccentric but brilliant alien into a pseudo messiah.
I'd love to hear how you think you could of done it better as well.
The Doctor is not infallible, he's just as flawed as any human only his fuck ups have far more far reaching consequences.

I agree. Also, How the hell has the eleventh doctor possibly killed for the sheer hell of it in any other episode? (And don't say with The Silence. Yeah, he essentially set humanity on them, but that's not to kill them all, it's to force them to leave, obviously.

 

[Rnr1224]

i kept thinking to myself that there was a possibility that there was a flesh rory or amy. glad to see i was write. although i didnt expect that ending. damn next week is gonna be awesome.

 

[A Pious Cultist]

The point was, the Flesh they were using in the acid plant was essentially having their memories constantly pumped into it. A one-time clone isn't going to retain anything.

Except that Doctor 2 instantly disproves that idea. He just had to touch it. Plus Amy's ganger might have been operational for months, and probably has been for atleast nine assuming the pregnancy is taking a normal amount of time.

 

[SpikeyGirl]

Also I think jen transforming was just a way to kill the flesh doctor, also everyone probably could have made it into the tardis if they ran as soon as that first door was locked (which did nothing to stop her might I add)

To be honest, the real doctor(and maybe some other real person if he needed help) could have stayed while the others go to the safety of the tardis, then he could have melted Ganger!Jen, as she didn't get to do anything to the doubles before she got melted, and the two doubles would have lived.
By doing what they did there were no pesky doubles to worry about in the future.

 

[scorrishbeef]

cause the BBC annoyingly decided to put a mid season break in it. I have no idea when the 2nd half of the double bill will be but i'm assuming it'll be a few weeks before christmas.

Its no doubt going to be incredibly frustrating waiting for the next episode

 

[ad4m101]

so good next weeks episode looks amazing, now the wall lady makes sense had no idea where they were going with that also... Spoiler about next weeks episode

Spoiler

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1777781/fullcredits#cast jenny the doctors daughter is listed as a character for Next weeks episode

 

[SpikeyGirl]

cause the BBC annoyingly decided to put a mid season break in it. I have no idea when the 2nd half of the double bill will be but i'm assuming it'll be a few weeks before christmas.

Its no doubt going to be incredibly frustrating waiting for the next episode

According to IMDB its going to be aired on the 3rd of September
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1795142/
Not as bad as almost Christmas but still suckish.

 

[eggmiester]

I'd just like to say, fuck BBC America for making me wait another week to watch the new episode.

you're a week behind on doctor who episodes in america? 'hugs' you poor sod...

 

[scorrishbeef]

cause the BBC annoyingly decided to put a mid season break in it. I have no idea when the 2nd half of the double bill will be but i'm assuming it'll be a few weeks before christmas.

Its no doubt going to be incredibly frustrating waiting for the next episode

According to IMDB its going to be aired on the 3rd of September
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1795142/
Not as bad as almost Christmas but still suckish.

Cheers, i hadn't thought to look it up. Maybe the season finale will be shortly before christmas