Doctor Who Series 6.6: 'The Almost People' SPOILERS

[Jedamethis]

Will you guys stop saying that the shoe-swapping was obvious? You're making me feel slow. I didn't see it coming. >_<

Don't worry bud, I never saw it coming either. I just thought she might need to cleverly tell them apart at some point... >.<

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I am a dirty, dirty man. x3

 

[joemegson94]

Was it just me or did EPL look like she kept getting older?

Anyway, great episode with a shit-freaky ending. Only big flaw is, I know he's about 5, but that child actor made me want to strangle myself with my own throat. Terrible acting.

 

[LostTimeLady]

It was a good episode, granted, but some things I just can't shake. Like why they felt the need to give us a big bad at the end when she was more of a monster how she was. Ok, they needed to get rid of ganger-doctor but still. And the highly unsetting nature of the last few moments.

I did like the twist with the shoe swapping, poor proper Doctor being rejected by Amy just to prove a point.

But what a turn of the books! I knew that something like this had to happen cos my original theory was that we were basically seeing Amy's dreams of past adventures while in the 'hospital thingy' and the eye patch woman was interupting her dreams hense why no one else could see it. It was a clever thing though, poor Amy, though.

Once again Rory stole the show and Matt Smith playing the Doctor and the Doctor was a joy to watch.

We're assuming aren't we that Amy's dreams were controlling the ganger since she seemed to very much wake up and for the first time realise where she was? That's my thought anyway...

 

[SomethingUnrelated]

But when was Amy switched! So much confusion!

My biggest question too. I want to know when, how, why, and where dammit!!

 

[weker]

I still think the part where he say E buy buy gum (how it sounded) has some relevance of some kind like bad wolf

 

[Wes1180]

But when was Amy switched! So much confusion!

My biggest question too. I want to know when, how, why, and where dammit!!

I have a feeling that it could be before the very first ep of this series, to account for the 9 months possibly.

 

[Tharwen]

Two thoughts:

1. Surely, since the Flesh can do clothes (and sonic screwdrivers!), it could be used to duplicate any number of non-sentient objects. You could put it to use mass producing food or iPhones or blu-tack or something.

2. This isn't the first time we've seen two Doctors at once, remember? We had Tennant duplicated at the end of Donna's series (the Doctor Donna).

 

[SpikeyGirl]

But when was Amy switched! So much confusion!

My biggest question too. I want to know when, how, why, and where dammit!!

amy was swapped in at some point just prior to entering the forest the episode "Flesh And Stone" hence the two differently dressed doctors in that episode and the line "the only water in the forest is the river" refering to River Song. Amy Pond was there also but by that time she wasn't actually Amy Pond.

as far as i can remember that's the only time Amy Pond and River Song have been in a forest together and then there's the two different doctors thing.

do keep up

But what about the whole 'reset of the universe' at the end of that series? By thinking she was real she would have become real, much like Rory seems to have (though the trailer for the next episode could discount that theory).
It does have to be before the second episode in the current series though as that's when we first learn of the indecisive pregnancy test.
Though up to nine months need to be accounted for or flesh!Amy would have been showing pregnancy by then, unless the process was sped up somehow which is possible in a sci fi series.
The quote could be in reference to any future episodes, just because it could fit doesn't mean it's out for the count, the tardis did mention being able to see his future.

EDIT:

Two thoughts:

1. Surely, since the Flesh can do clothes (and sonic screwdrivers!), it could be used to duplicate any number of non-sentient objects. You could put it to use mass producing food or iPhones or blu-tack or something.

2. This isn't the first time we've seen two Doctors at once, remember? We had Tennant duplicated at the end of Donna's series (the Doctor Donna).

In addition to your first point, why didn't they reproduce the acid suits in that way if they were so expensive to make, also I though the acid suits would have played a much bigger role other than telling the gangers from the originals (though that doesn't always work) and not being on the people who need it. Also I have this kind of funny image of a vat of blu-tac where the flesh was.

 

[jimmy509]

Here in Canada, Space has decided to show 2 hours of Will Smith pissing over Isaac Asimov's grade instead of Doctor Who.

 

[Scabadus]

I do love how so many people pick up on the Doctor being a cruel heartless bastard for murdering flesh Amy, but don't seem to pick up on his line to flesh Doctor barely a minute before, "your molecular memory could still survive." (May not have gotten that word for word correct.) Even if the flesh Amy was sentient (and it's a fair guess that it was sentient, even if propelled by a constant link to Amy, because the 'non-sentient' gangers from before the solar storm still asked "why" when they were killed, still formed the eyes, were still consious when the failures were discarded, etc, etc) then with it being a more advanced flesh 'formula,' having the Doctor study and understand the signal connecting them, not having it dissolved in a giant acid explosion and hell, being in the TARDIS wouldn't do any harm.... if the flesh Amy was sentient, you can bet that its mind will survive.

 

[Encurtidos]

Here in Canada, Space has decided to show 2 hours of Will Smith pissing over Isaac Asimov's grade instead of Doctor Who.

I don't get why we can't watch it tonight! When do they show it now, its not on tomorrow, maybe monday night...?

 

[T-Bone24]

Wow. Wow wow wow.

The last five minutes made up for the Rebel Flesh entirely. What a twist. Did not see that coming and my socks were halfway to Mars by the end of it. Absolutely mind-bogglin'.

 

[Gregory Hanes]

What did the Ganger-Doctor say to Amy at the end of Almost-People? My cable screwed up right at that point.

 

[TyrantGanado]

I'm beginning to see the time-loop slabs being laid in this episode with The Doctor learning of his own death.

Also, regarding The Doctor's melting of Ganger!Amy, he was only severing the connection (as others have pointed out) but also, remember how fiercely protective he is of his companions. He may risk himself to save people but he will carry on if they start dying around him. If his companion is in danger he'll go ballistic. He went near-catatonic when he thought Rose died series 1. More than one of his regenerations has been used to save the life of a companion. Amy's in danger (well, she's been taken by forces unknown) andhe's just learned he's going to die (for real) so he's going to be pretty fucking pissed. You do not mess with The Doctor when he's pissed. Plus, he's getting more and more unstable with age if you've seen The Waters of Mars, I reckon events in general are just getting to him, y'know, like having to reset the fucking universe.

Also, why do I smell Time Lord involvement? I'm reluctant to think that they would tease their existence like they did in The Doctor's Wife to not make something of it later.

 

[Sarkule]

so good next weeks episode looks amazing, now the wall lady makes sense had no idea where they were going with that also... Spoiler about next weeks episode

Spoiler

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1777781/fullcredits#cast jenny the doctors daughter is listed as a character for Next weeks episode

I wish it was, I'm annoyed that they've left that open.
But it's the wrong actor, so I'd say it's just another person with the name Jenny.

 

[Trolldor]

And how is killing Flesh!Amy not for a good cause? Its the 1st step in finding and saving her, its death was a terrible but necessary thing.

And I know different people take different things from the same TV show but it sounds to me like you've been taken in far too much by the Tennant era, where he was turned from eccentric but brilliant alien into a pseudo messiah.

I'd love to hear how you think you could of done it better as well.

The Doctor is not infallible, he's just as flawed as any human only his fuck ups have far more far reaching consequences.

You've said that before and I seem to remember saying that I hated Tennant's gurning ninny of a Doctor. My favourite is actually Ecclestone as it goes; willing to kill, happy to kill but also sure of his options. Tennant always had a magical answer ready for everything except season 3 which I thought was brilliant from around halfway through.

My point is that killing the ganger wasn't necessary, he was basically being shocking to make a point. I understand that but using the TARDIS (itself custom-made for monitoring things) could have shown Amy was a ganger, preserved her life and saved 'real her' the terror of waking up. The TARDIS can apparently track almost everything ever given the number of things it's tracked so I see no good reason to do what he did.

The Doctor isn't as fallible as a human, in the past he's been shown to be mercurial and not given to explaining himself but it's always turned out that he's been pretty much right when all's said and done. Not always selecting the optimal course of action in hindsight but always making some kind of sense. This season has just made the Doctor look short sighted and idiotic.

That's the problem; his decisions haven't been making logical sense even within an episode. He's been flip flopping around and pretty much doing whatever the plot requires, I'm a great believer in the characters writing the story, not the story twisting the characters. If you can't imagine the Doctor evangelising about the Flesh being sentient and in pain and then killing the Flesh because...why again?...then it's not consistent. It effectively ceases being a story about a character and becomes a series of events.

As I said earlier, he wanted Amy conscious for a reason.
Primarily because she was actually having contractions and was about to give birth.

 

[Trolldor]

The more I think about the end of the episode, the less I understand it.

The Doctor spent the whole time explaining (mainly to Amy) that Gangers are no less people than humans are, then he went and dissolved her a reason that wasn't explained (yet). Doing all of that and then just to treat her like the other humans treated their Gangers just seems cruel.

You know...the more things the Doctor does this series the more I'm starting to sympathise with the coalition for locking him away.

The Doctor would appear to be a horrible person from what I can tell, he's basically killed his way indiscriminately through...I'll go with 5 episodes now because episode 4 seemed very reasonable.

You might be on to something there. Maybe the Pandorica affected him? Maybe he's a little more unhinged then he previously was. Check how angry he gets during "The Doctor's wife" at two characters who pretty much haven't done anything but be there while someone else does something "bad" (auntie/uncle).

This is the first time we've seen him since Pandorica right?

Whatever doesn't kill you makes you....stranger

To be fair to him, he honestly believed there were other good timelords left alive.
Opening that cupboard was the shattering of all that hope.

I thought the point was that the Gangers he was protecting were made sentient by the solar storm. The ganger that was Amy Pond was being controlled by the real Amy Pond (Which is why she subconciously kept seeing the woman opening the hatch).

..what is this in response to?

My comment was about "The Doctor's Wife"