Doctor Who Series 6.7 'A Good Man Goes To War' SPOILERS

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tomtom94 said:
Predictable? Yes. Satisfying way to answer many questions? Definitely. Many questions raised for the rest of the series? Hell yes.

Thank you Steven Moffat for turning down Tintin. Fantastic episode and testament to his plotting.
I had wondered if River Song was the end result of a female clone of the Doctor from way back a few series ago. It would have explained her Timelord-y habits, but would also make her relationship with the Doctor incestuous. So this result is better.
EDIT: I don't really know where I was going with that, but hey...

Also, I loved that 'Doctor' became a word for 'great warrior'
 
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MelasZepheos said:
Okay if the writing for this series is so bad... Then what have the past series been? Absolute shit? Moffat wrote the better episodes from the past what... Three series?

The Empty Child and The Doctor Dances
The Girl in the Fireplace
Blink
Silence in the Library and Forest of the Dead

All great episodes. Better than half of what Russell T. Davies ever put out.
I've been over this a lot in previous threads so I'll try and keep it short.

While in the past the writing may not always have been solid gold, the acting of in particular Eccleston and Tenant propelled it into brilliance for me (And I also thought that Billie Piper was capable of pulling out the stops at times as well). I never liked The Girl in the Fireplace as an Episode and my absolute despising of River Song meant that the only parts of Silence in the Library and Forest of the Dead I enjoyed were when the vacuous ***** got toasted. In particular what I thought was that Russel T Davis was able to put out a good season, with long running plot threads that became relevant several episodes later, actual real foreshadowing, and actually created characters that were engaging and interesting and likable.

So far there has not been one Moffat plot I have not been able to predict, to the point of guessing (based on the fluctuating pregnancy scanner thing) that Amy was not really Amy, but some form of duplicate(although to be fair the whole convuluted mess with The Flesh was beyond even my powers of perception). I guessed the Time Vortex thing, the exposure to the the foetus thing (mainly because of Fahrenheit but what the hey), the River is Amy's duaghter thing. And more than that, the writing is still at the low low end of the scale even for Doctor Who, and this time the actors do nothing to make it better. I cared more about the Silurian and her girlfriend, who I didn't even know the names of, than I did about the Doctor or Rory or Amy.

My main complaint is that Moffat cannot write seasons. If he was under the head of a good season runner he can put out fantastic episodes, but when he's in charge of a Season his slavering over River, his boring predictable plotting, and his hamhanded attempts at drama leave me laughing at the 'serious' bits and bored during any other moment. I literally burst out laughing at the 'shock revelation' that River was Amy's dauhter, because it was so overwrought and narmish that it struck me as a bad fanfic writer trying to make someone feel by writing 'and this scene is extremely dramatic and everyone is very sad.' Even Neil Gaiman's episode felt like someone trying to do a Neil Gaiman inspired episode than the man himself.

Eccleston once had a scene where he was yelling at a Dalek that showed a man in total fear, yet trying to maintain the hardened facade that let's him face that fear. Matt Smith whacks one with a hammer in a scene straight out of Fawlty Towers. David Tenant looks gracefully over the TARDIS, says 'I don't want to go' and a nation weeps with him. Matt Smith gets 'killed for real' (yeah right) and I'm paying more attention to the fly which has gotten into my room and is buzzing at the window. Billie Piper breaks down in tears on a beach and I want nothing more than the hug the poor girl. Karen Gillan loses her fiancee and I sit stony faced wondering when the episode will end.

That went on a little longer than expected, so I'll end it there before I start deconstructing episode by episode what I feel is wrong with the Matt Smith/Moffat years.
 

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lolmynamewastaken said:
orgasms aplenty! that however has to mean that the spacesuit at the start of the series that kills the doctor can't have been river/melody because otherwise older river wouldn't be so confused about what was happening... or...something iunno, i think im lost now
River did realise something when she couldn't kill the space suit and to be honest I don't remember anything I did as a kid so I doubt River would remember it, or she may just have remembered it was all just a huge prank on Amy and Rory that went a bit far instead of actually killing the Doctor.
This is why I don't think she is in prison for killing that doctor, flesh copy or not, because that's the kind of thing you would remember, also you'd think she'd remember being stuck in a space suit for that matter. This brings me back to the idea she may just not remember it.
 

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you know how in the episode it was stated that it took billions of years for time lord DNA to be created by exposure to the time vortex, has anyone else realised that the way it was said seems to state that time lords evolved from humans.

i've speculated that time lords could have been humans that traveled back to the beggining of time after first inventing time travel, but i guess this kinda adds possible evidence to that theory.

if it's already 'known' that time lords evolved from humans, then my bad for being slow =P, however thought i'd mention that incase not everyone picked up on that.
 

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I love watching a show when a plan comes together. Seeing the Doctor's plan unfold was magnificent, and then the revelation... holy shit.

[HEADING=1]Holy shit.[/HEADING]

What brilliant story telling.

PS: That Silurian was kinda hot for a reptile.
 

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randomrob said:
On topic I hated it, I hate River Song and I hate that she is related to anyone as awesome as Amy. River is pretentious, annoying and a ***** to boot and now she's got up to 11 regenerations in reverse order to live through on the show. I may stop watching. Stephen Moffat may finally be the one to put me off Doctor Who.
Because a badass lady is more annoying than someone who tried to ~rape the Doctor~.

And this could've been a great episode if there hadn't been so many ass pulls. Like the Cybermen being back without any explanation (Ten did say that the Cybermen of our universe were extinct), and being reduced to just a Macguffin to boot. The earthfolk being called up and in despite very different events being showed last season, and various other things that just reek of plot convenience. And way to turn River Song into a Mary-Sue guys, way to go.

In the end it wasn't a bad episode, but it falls short of its full potential by several leagues.
 

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T-Bone24 said:
I love watching a show when a plan comes together. Seeing the Doctor's plan unfold was magnificent, and then the revelation... holy shit.

[HEADING=1]Holy shit.[/HEADING]

What brilliant story telling.

PS: That Silurian was kinda hot for a reptile.
Maid was alot hotter though ;)
 

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Cogito said:
T-Bone24 said:
I love watching a show when a plan comes together. Seeing the Doctor's plan unfold was magnificent, and then the revelation... holy shit.

[HEADING=1]Holy shit.[/HEADING]

What brilliant story telling.

PS: That Silurian was kinda hot for a reptile.
Maid was alot hotter though ;)
Good job they were in a lesbian relationship then. Something for everyone!
 

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Danny Ocean said:
When we first met river, she told us that she was imprisoned for killing someone. Someone very great. She didn't say who.

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I think Dr.Song will be the next Dr.Who. She's enough timelord to regenerate, and this gets around the whole issue of the original only having so many regenerations on the 'ol body clock. It'll also allow us to have a female lead. That could be fun.
interesting theory, also the fact that she seems able to break out of prison every time she needs too may suggest a self imposed penance after killing the doctor, which she only breaks to make sure the right things have to happen so as to not have the universe fall apart?
 

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Rory was amazingly badass in this episode. Especially before the credits. That entire sequence was pants-wettingly amazing. The way he strode into a Cyberman headquarters and demanded to know "Where. Is. My. Wife?" was awesome, and the Doctor's message added a wonderful addition to the badassery.

Although when the Sontaran was dying, and said "I'm a nurse." I completely expected Rory to smile and say "So am I," which would, through the magic of badassitude and Roman armour bring the Sontaran back to full health. Oh well.

I'm sure there were flaws, as some have pointed out, but I couldn't care less. This was awesome, and I cannot wait for the Autumn.
 

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MelasZepheos said:
Doc Theta Sigma said:
MelasZepheos said:
Eccleston once had a scene where he was yelling at a Dalek that showed a man in total fear, yet trying to maintain the hardened facade that let's him face that fear. Matt Smith whacks one with a hammer in a scene straight out of Fawlty Towers. David Tenant looks gracefully over the TARDIS, says 'I don't want to go' and a nation weeps with him. Matt Smith gets 'killed for real' (yeah right) and I'm paying more attention to the fly which has gotten into my room and is buzzing at the window. Billie Piper breaks down in tears on a beach and I want nothing more than the hug the poor girl. Karen Gillan loses her fiancee and I sit stony faced wondering when the episode will end.
What?

And I do not mean the fact that drama in the 11'th Doctor time is lousy (Because it is lousy and cheap), but you thought that Drama during the reign of 9'th and 10'th was good?

Pleaaase... David Tennant got off the hook for me as a doctor because while he was acting like someone who makes everything up on the spot at least he was semi-graceful while doing so, other than that his dramatic scenes were laughable the twists in the story lousy and the fact that writers have to constantly go with mindset: "Right he saved the universe... To make the next season more dramatic we will make him save The REALITY... And after that we will throw in some stuff about how time lords have this magic muguffin that makes it possible for them to break every single law of time the show has previously established... Also they will want to destroy the time itself, because why the fuck not?". They even had to bring back Master AND Davros in order to show the audience that "Yes this loony guy is honestly the same doctor from classic series". And even though I enjoyed his seasons I did not enjoyed them because it was the Doctor I knew and loved, I enjoyed them because it was "Jack Sparrow the slightly more sensible" edition.

Eccleston was angsty (Understandable with all the timewar and such) but that's all he had going for me. I will never remember him for anything else than being "That one doctor that dressed normally".


Oh well, at least I have my Big Finish production audio dramas. They are quite decent and feature real Doctors.
 

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mikozero said:
as for the guy that called it "kids TV" *slow clap" how many episodes has it taken you to figure that out ?
A lot of people seem to forget this, especially when talking about the Russell T Davies era. There where a lot a really, really good episodes produced under his wing that where not written by Steven Moffatt (yes his episodes where the stand out ones) including one of my favourite episodes of the new series "The Fires of Pompeii". Which incidentally has Karen Gillan (who would later play Amy Pond) in!
 

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Pedro The Hutt said:
And this could've been a great episode if there hadn't been so many ass pulls. Like the Cybermen being back without any explanation (Ten did say that the Cybermen of our universe were extinct), and being reduced to just a Macguffin to boot. The earthfolk being called up and in despite very different events being showed last season, and various other things that just reek of plot convenience. And way to turn River Song into a Mary-Sue guys, way to go.

In the end it wasn't a bad episode, but it falls short of its full potential by several leagues.
If the cybermen are extinct, maybe the cybermen shown were from before they went extinct? The Doctor could go and visit the dinosaurs if he wanted, despite them being extinct too.
 

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monojono said:
Pedro The Hutt said:
And this could've been a great episode if there hadn't been so many ass pulls. Like the Cybermen being back without any explanation (Ten did say that the Cybermen of our universe were extinct), and being reduced to just a Macguffin to boot. The earthfolk being called up and in despite very different events being showed last season, and various other things that just reek of plot convenience. And way to turn River Song into a Mary-Sue guys, way to go.

In the end it wasn't a bad episode, but it falls short of its full potential by several leagues.
If the cybermen are extinct, maybe the cybermen shown were from before they went extinct? The Doctor could go and visit the dinosaurs if he wanted, despite them being extinct too.
He said they were extinct in the present about 4 years ago (if that made sense) and I'm assuming they are still in the present (or 20 minutes into the future, judging by The Almost people) so to find non-Cybus Cybermen, he'd have to go into the past. Why would he do that just to blow them up to make a point to people in the future?
 

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XHolySmokesX said:
you know how in the episode it was stated that it took billions of years for time lord DNA to be created by exposure to the time vortex, has anyone else realised that the way it was said seems to state that time lords evolved from humans.

i've speculated that time lords could have been humans that traveled back to the beggining of time after first inventing time travel, but i guess this kinda adds possible evidence to that theory.

if it's already 'known' that time lords evolved from humans, then my bad for being slow =P, however thought i'd mention that incase not everyone picked up on that.
No no, Time Lords evolved from Gallifrayans, which happen to be humanoid in form but with two hearts. They then developed all the regeneration-y, telepathic stuff as a result of being timey wimey.
(pedantically, humans are Gallifrayan in form but with one heart, but I digress)