Doctor Who Series 6 Episode 8: Let's Kill Hitler *SPOILERS*
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Bear in mind that he was a Nazi officer in 1938, so Hitler has only just been elected. He wasn't a military man, he was a politician most likely. Remember that the Nazi's were evil, but they weren't complete buffoons (though a lot of thugs would of joined the "brown shirts" which was basically the Nazi's private army)Baron von Blitztank said:
Also, how would he of sounded an alarm, they hardly had panic buttons in those days.
Wait a minute... he's fighting Hitler now? Bloody hell, what next, he turns into Jesus and everyone starts praying to him?
Moffat shouldn't be pulling duties as both show runner & writer. His attention isn't focused enough either on the overarching story or individual scripts. The result means that things like finding Melody & defeating the Silence are done too quickly, and his individual scripts alternate between brilliant lines and overlong, redundant dialogue or overly hammy & cliches pieces.
Ultimately, for all the good he's done as show runner I personally he should be still in his old 2nd in command role. Davies wasn't the best show runner, but Moffat would come along with a brilliant script or the clear sign of his far-thinking plot sensibilities to really help tie things together.
Ultimately, for all the good he's done as show runner I personally he should be still in his old 2nd in command role. Davies wasn't the best show runner, but Moffat would come along with a brilliant script or the clear sign of his far-thinking plot sensibilities to really help tie things together.
I really enjoyed that episode, though I'm a River Song/Rory fanboy and both of them got some really great lines/scenes so no wonder I'm happy. I thought the childhood friend/regeneration was a nice idea and I suppose the mis-lead on the title, while annoying to some, really as necessary. I also love how River becomes an archeologist to track the Doctor through history.
To those saying there's not enough Doctor/too much River/too conveluted/writers pulling stuff out their arses, I agree with you and would be happy for River to bow out at the end of the year. I still find it enjoyable though and seeng as I've managed though Love & Mosters, Planet of the Dead and Curse of the Black Spot I can't think of anything that will make me stop watching while Matt Smith is the Doctor.
Finally, do you think what he told River was what River told the Doctor in the Library?, interesting to have the Silence isn't just that weird alien race, and we're told his death is a fixed point so Stephen must be pulling something massive out of his arse to end off the series.
In fairness, Amy did say at one point they named their daughter after her. The thing is why would they think that maybe this best friend called Melody is actually our daughter Melody? They've grown up togther for 15 plus years and when your daughter has been kidnapped, I doubt you would be thinking "Maybe she changed her skin colour and went back in time as a kid to be friends with us"Colour-Scientist said:
To those saying there's not enough Doctor/too much River/too conveluted/writers pulling stuff out their arses, I agree with you and would be happy for River to bow out at the end of the year. I still find it enjoyable though and seeng as I've managed though Love & Mosters, Planet of the Dead and Curse of the Black Spot I can't think of anything that will make me stop watching while Matt Smith is the Doctor.
Finally, do you think what he told River was what River told the Doctor in the Library?, interesting to have the Silence isn't just that weird alien race, and we're told his death is a fixed point so Stephen must be pulling something massive out of his arse to end off the series.
Yeah thanks and I agree with you Matt Smith is very good I just wish they'd give him a few episodes alone so he can breathe, like the great tennant episode where he rents that room.The Dutchess said:
No, they lock Hitler in a closet about five minutes in.The-Epicly-Named-Man said:
This episode would've been a lot better if they hadn't, though. I miss when not EVERY episode needs to be completely devoted to the season's story arc. Why couldn't we just have a light-hearted romp through Nazi Germany with the Doctor?
What the fuck was that I don't even.
That entire episode was just plot fodder. They dropped Hitler ten minutes in and drove the plot around River, who was miserably failing to be sexy. When Hitler killed that miserable joke of a character, Mels, I got a reason to hail Hitler.
So much more could have been done with the judgement thingamabob robot. "YOU WILL EXPERICENCE A TINGLING SENSATION, AND THEN DEATH." I couldn't have loved that more. So much unused potential used as the smallest part of the engine that drives the plot along.
I could just go on and on about the ridiculous twists and the tortures of sitting through more of Amy's past, but I don't want to wake up with a storm of hate in my face. This was extremely disappoint and Moffat is losing me fast.
That entire episode was just plot fodder. They dropped Hitler ten minutes in and drove the plot around River, who was miserably failing to be sexy. When Hitler killed that miserable joke of a character, Mels, I got a reason to hail Hitler.
So much more could have been done with the judgement thingamabob robot. "YOU WILL EXPERICENCE A TINGLING SENSATION, AND THEN DEATH." I couldn't have loved that more. So much unused potential used as the smallest part of the engine that drives the plot along.
I could just go on and on about the ridiculous twists and the tortures of sitting through more of Amy's past, but I don't want to wake up with a storm of hate in my face. This was extremely disappoint and Moffat is losing me fast.
well that was...err interesting
as much as i did enjoy that episode it is probably one of the most "camp" episodes in modern Doctor Who so far.
interesting note thou before i go into the episode but i believe this is the first time it is established that race is also completely on the table for traits that can change in a regeneration along with gender back in The Doctor's Wife. Nice to know that the actors/actresses that can play the Doctor have just doubled, with the potential to now have a Doctor played by Morgan Freeman which would be THE SHIT! =D
any-who, the episode had its moments and can be very entertaining if your in the right mindset for what is pretty damn 'campy' but for more series fans that want a memorable follow-up to last episode...well its kind of disappointing.
Basically ret-conning a new character that turned out to be River was incredibly rushed and silly. If they established this character in the 5th series and gave her more to do and THAN did what they did in L.K.H it would have been really good.
Having the plot point about poisoning the Doctor and then "killing" him was pretty pointless considering what we saw at the start of the season. Actually i REALLY hoped for a Matt Smith version of THIS scene to play out...
Rory was bad-ass of course "SHUT UP Hitler, now get in the closet" was probably the best line as well as the HAIL HITLER *punches him in the face moment.
the scene with the Doctor commenting on his past companions was pretty funny thou.
I dunno, i still like the episode but its still campy as hell. the opening in general was kind of too campy for me too (the crop circle thing was ok). OF course the real kicker is, on top of the episode not actually having anything to really DO with Hitler also makes it COMPLETELY pointless to be in 1938 Berlin other than getting out of that relatively contrived bit with the cops starting to chase them. Which means they could have gone literally ANYWHERE else.
This episode was mainly a character focused one with bit of exposition peppered in about the Silence being a religious order and those 'new' time cops which seem interesting other than making an incredibly impractical spy-assassin robot lifting from that shitty Eddie Murphy film (i assume its shitty but haven't actually watched it). the killer-cyber-jellyfish were pretty funny thou. it COULD have been done better with a lot less camp.
Love and Monsters is still way shittier and less entertaining than this is.
as much as i did enjoy that episode it is probably one of the most "camp" episodes in modern Doctor Who so far.
interesting note thou before i go into the episode but i believe this is the first time it is established that race is also completely on the table for traits that can change in a regeneration along with gender back in The Doctor's Wife. Nice to know that the actors/actresses that can play the Doctor have just doubled, with the potential to now have a Doctor played by Morgan Freeman which would be THE SHIT! =D
any-who, the episode had its moments and can be very entertaining if your in the right mindset for what is pretty damn 'campy' but for more series fans that want a memorable follow-up to last episode...well its kind of disappointing.
Basically ret-conning a new character that turned out to be River was incredibly rushed and silly. If they established this character in the 5th series and gave her more to do and THAN did what they did in L.K.H it would have been really good.
Having the plot point about poisoning the Doctor and then "killing" him was pretty pointless considering what we saw at the start of the season. Actually i REALLY hoped for a Matt Smith version of THIS scene to play out...
Rory was bad-ass of course "SHUT UP Hitler, now get in the closet" was probably the best line as well as the HAIL HITLER *punches him in the face moment.
the scene with the Doctor commenting on his past companions was pretty funny thou.
I dunno, i still like the episode but its still campy as hell. the opening in general was kind of too campy for me too (the crop circle thing was ok). OF course the real kicker is, on top of the episode not actually having anything to really DO with Hitler also makes it COMPLETELY pointless to be in 1938 Berlin other than getting out of that relatively contrived bit with the cops starting to chase them. Which means they could have gone literally ANYWHERE else.
This episode was mainly a character focused one with bit of exposition peppered in about the Silence being a religious order and those 'new' time cops which seem interesting other than making an incredibly impractical spy-assassin robot lifting from that shitty Eddie Murphy film (i assume its shitty but haven't actually watched it). the killer-cyber-jellyfish were pretty funny thou. it COULD have been done better with a lot less camp.
Love and Monsters is still way shittier and less entertaining than this is.
The Eyeball Moose said:
I would also like to through in my pennys worth if I may.
I totally agree with you on everything here, about what is wrong with Dr who. The story is so full of retroactive continuity it's not even funny. River song died a very somber death in the library episode back in tennant days. No fan fair, no 25 minute period of reflection, just a wam bam thanks for playing ending.
Fast foward to today and River song is suddenly epicenter of everything Dr who, it turns out she is the daughter of two previously unknown characters in the era of a not yet generated dr. When you manage to say ok, that could have been planned ahead, what do they do. Oh yeh well she can regenerate aswell. Well is she timelord then? No well you see, tardis and reproducing and solar flairs, shut up she can regenerate ok, just take what we give you and shut up. Ok but she didnt regenerate when she died in the library? yeh well you see um, ah look the dr is dieing, quick use all your regenerations in one go, you know use your extra lives. Oh and look that explains how she never died for you. But she won't have any connection to her parents if we suddenly just make that a plot point! No you see your wrong because, da da da we make her, wait for it, amy and rory's best friend from growing up. Ok great idea, but will the audience except these new additions. Because river song has never shown up in amy or rorys past, and we have done quite a lot of those episodes? Well thats why we have retroactive continuity, we can change or edit anything we like retrospectively and the audience will love it.
Also the River song mystery was good for a while, but when you stretch it out for like 4 series, it gets to be just boring. Just explain her pathetically over worked character and let it end already.
Please please please stop doing these "the Dr is going to die" episodes all the time. That was the whole build up to the end of the first series. It's the main plot point at the start of this one, and every now and then he likes to almost die during an episode. Yeh great if as an audience we could believe for one second he was going to die. The writers won't kill off the Dr from DR WHO, because they have no show. So its an empty threat. theres no drama when you know the outcome, your just waiting from the tedious moment when he gets out of it last minute, oh what a massive shock!
Rory has some potential as a character, because he is dipolamtic and has a sort of underdog charm. Amy is an awful awful character, no depth and truely horrible, with double standards all the way through.
One thing that did annoy me is when Amy said to Rory, "are you sure you can ride a motorbike".
EXCUSE ME AMY POND and writers trying to include a sense of world realism. You expect the audience to possibly question whether someone can ride a motorbike, but you expect us to believe that Amy is a weapons expert, with the stamina and skill needed to sword fight with pirates? Where was rory then saying, oi POND you can use swords and fight pirates, so don't question my driving ability!
Matt smith is a good Dr, but he has been given an awful set of episodes to work with, you don't know what kind of person he is, because most of these episode are not centered on him. Is he quirky, is he harsh. Wheres his moral compass at? I agree that he needs an alone episode like Tennant had now an then, where we get to learn about this dr and his true personality. It does feel like the Dr is the bus driver in Amy and Rory's TV show.
The worst bit is a remember the Doctor making a comment in Silence of the Library that he wouldn't regenerate if he did the thing, so it's made extra redundant.Riesel87 said:
It was fun, but I'm not too convinced by the explanations.TimeLord said:
Oh... And uh, how does it make sense that shooting a regenerating timelord is a bad idea when that's pretty much exactly what killed the doctor at the beginning of the season?
Once again I'm no historian, so I'll give you that.orangeban said:
I guess for an episode entitled "Let's Kill Hitler" I was really expecting/hoping for something alot more Wolfenstein-ey
I think it's more that killing a Time Lord while actually regenerating will kill them. But as we saw in the Christmas Invasion, after a Time Lord has finished the regeneration process, they are still full of regeneration energy, ala growing another hand. I assume that this is the same situation where the excess energy was used to an advantage.CrystalShadow said:
Also, if that wasn't the case, I'm sure that Moffat would point out that bullets are not as threatening to a regenerating Time Lord than some kind of mysterious directional energy weapon of unknown origin.
