Don't claim to be what you're not.
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Think you're just being snobby really 
Wearing dog tags doesn't mean you are pretending to be in the army. Its something that has incorporated its way into fashion/symbolism. I'm pretty sure berets were originally a uniform thing then they because fashionable. I fail to see the issue.
Wearing dog tags doesn't mean you are pretending to be in the army. Its something that has incorporated its way into fashion/symbolism. I'm pretty sure berets were originally a uniform thing then they because fashionable. I fail to see the issue.
I've got respect for anyone who gets shot at for minimum wage.
I heard recently that British Troops start off at £16,000 a year, I wouldn't get outta bed for that. Its sickening.
Though I'd argue with the point about spouses, they may not serve but they deal with the fallout when the serving spouse comes home with PTSD or other trauma or worse conditions. So while they don't serve, the care they provide post-military service is something that the gov should really be picking up the tab for. Not arguing, just diff point of view. I don't think any gov does enough to help troops after they finish service.
I heard recently that British Troops start off at £16,000 a year, I wouldn't get outta bed for that. Its sickening.
Though I'd argue with the point about spouses, they may not serve but they deal with the fallout when the serving spouse comes home with PTSD or other trauma or worse conditions. So while they don't serve, the care they provide post-military service is something that the gov should really be picking up the tab for. Not arguing, just diff point of view. I don't think any gov does enough to help troops after they finish service.
This thread makes me want to wear a full, formal military uniform to work every day despite never serving. Seriously-- you don't get to determine what people wear just because it disrupts your narrow perception of personal expression.
I don't have a problem with it. In fact, I actively present myself as I am not. It can be very helpful and entertaining. Of course, I don't think that's exactly what you mean. You just hate posers, ya? I don't see the need to begrudge someone their chosen identity.
And the military example could be about something other than commandeering respect. Maybe the dogtags belong to a dead combatant, which would be showing respect rather than demanding it.
And the military example could be about something other than commandeering respect. Maybe the dogtags belong to a dead combatant, which would be showing respect rather than demanding it.
I see your arguement however that's not really against the brand and more against some fellow talking shit about how hard he was until he got KTFO. You should probably suggest he goes down to the gym and learns the sport before acting hard about itswolf said:
. Please explain. How can a guy who goes to the gym every day learning to fight... not be able to fight?.Brotherofwill said:
All right, I should explain the spouse comment before I anger more people. That was pretty much for those very few spouses who tell people that they have served in a way that purposely misrepresents themselves as a soldier. I DO respect spouses and have counselled a friend w/PTSD. I shouldn't start anymore forum threads when sleep deprived...Generic_Dave said:
What you have to watch out for though it the "tarred with the same brush" problem.
Ive ridden motorbikes for a few years now and know a handful of people who have had dog tags made in case they are involved in an accident. I am against wearing them as fasion but when they serve a purpose (I have seen sets including medical info eg blood type) I think they are a good idea, im actually considering getting myself a set.
Problem then is I would wear them all the time and be regarded as "someone who wears them and has never served" even though I think I have a perfectly good reason for wearing them.
Ive ridden motorbikes for a few years now and know a handful of people who have had dog tags made in case they are involved in an accident. I am against wearing them as fasion but when they serve a purpose (I have seen sets including medical info eg blood type) I think they are a good idea, im actually considering getting myself a set.
Problem then is I would wear them all the time and be regarded as "someone who wears them and has never served" even though I think I have a perfectly good reason for wearing them.
In the grand scheme of things, they suck. Tons of sports and professions that produce better, cleaner and more skilled fighters. In professional terms, I'd call most of them 'bums'.Sovvolf said:
I respect their showmanship and dedication/willingness to get hurt in front of a crowd, but it makes me laugh from time to time to see the level they fight at. It's exciting to watch, but nor very good.
I don't like self-aggransisment.
To such an extent that I falter every time I'm about to say something about myself, either negative or positive, thinking "Am I just overdoing this for attention/glory?". Most times: No, what I say is true/did happen/I actually believe. But even so, it's irritating when you're constantly on the look out for self hypocriticality (I don't think that's a word, but it damn well should be)
To such an extent that I falter every time I'm about to say something about myself, either negative or positive, thinking "Am I just overdoing this for attention/glory?". Most times: No, what I say is true/did happen/I actually believe. But even so, it's irritating when you're constantly on the look out for self hypocriticality (I don't think that's a word, but it damn well should be)
Bums? what are you talking about?... ho I see, the same arguement I hear from most traditional MA's... "it's just a bunch of idiots thrown into a cage", no it's not... a lot of effort goes into our training, the fighting is a lot more complex then most people think, sure it doesn't look all flashy but that doesn't mean it's not hard work or nothings going on.Brotherofwill said:
Hey, they believe what they believe and are willing to sacrifice their life to protect what they feel would be best for their family and community. That's what I respect, I may not agree with their ideals nor do I agree with EVERYTHING these people do, mostly the fact that they risk their lives for what they believe.mokes310 said:
No need to be offended man. Keep it cool.Sovvolf said:
I don't think the people are idiots, I just think martial arts don't mix well which makes the idea of mixed martial arts tournament pretty silly in my opinion. I respect most of the traditional arts that are involved like Jiu-jitsu and karate and such, but if mixed and presented in this format most of the skill of the single sports is removed. It's so unbalanced because there are so many different techniques, styles out there. Almost every match is a complete missmatch. If they'd focus on ground moves in itself then you'd have a lot more refined sport. If they'd focus on striking only, you'd have a lot more of a refined sport.
If you have this terrific, karate striker and he gets taken down by a grappler, the match is essentially over after 2 minutes of wrestling on the ground. It just doesn't make for a good mix. The individual disciplines are much more polished and make for more skilled fighting.
I think it's flashy. It makes for good viewing. But if you'd take the top guy and pit him against the world's leading wrestler or against the world's leading boxer, he'd get dismatled because the guys practicing individual sports have a much more refined set of skills.
Don't talk about things your country did in the past as if you have personal involvement in it. This extends to both good and bad things. Also, don't blow things out of proportion
'I' was not involved in slavery, 'we' did not transport slaves. The Elizabethans were involved in slavery, I have had no connection to it.
Similarly 'we' did not 'save' Europe from the Nazis in the Second World War. My grandfather fought against the Nazis, as part of the Royal Air Force. I have no connection to it.
Nothing annoys me more than reading when some whiny-ass American claims special privileges because 'he' saved 'my' ass back in WWII. No you didn't, you weren't even there. Make a claim about America having saved Britain, and I might listen, otherwise I automatically write you off as just swinging your internet cock around.
'I' was not involved in slavery, 'we' did not transport slaves. The Elizabethans were involved in slavery, I have had no connection to it.
Similarly 'we' did not 'save' Europe from the Nazis in the Second World War. My grandfather fought against the Nazis, as part of the Royal Air Force. I have no connection to it.
Nothing annoys me more than reading when some whiny-ass American claims special privileges because 'he' saved 'my' ass back in WWII. No you didn't, you weren't even there. Make a claim about America having saved Britain, and I might listen, otherwise I automatically write you off as just swinging your internet cock around.