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I sometimes wear my grandfather's dogtags as a way to remember him. I see nothing wrong with that.
 

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People who wear Hendrix/Dylan/Ramones/Any other iconic artist t-shirts when they actually couldn't name you more than 3 songs.
 

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mokes310 said:
swolf said:
Doitpow said:
swolf said:
I may just be mean but these things bug me. First, people who wear dog tags but have never served. If you're going to wear them, at least know their purpose please. (For anybody who doesn't know, they are used for the identification of dead remains that would be otherwise unknown). Also, if you are a military spouse you are NOT part of the military. Yeah, I realize it's difficult and all and I do commend them for what they do but they did NOT enlist (or become an officer), have not gone through the training and are not risking their lives for their country. Don't claim to be what you are not.
I have no respect for people in the military. I respect people who pretend to be in the military even less.
1 question, why don't you respect people in the military? I'm not trying to start an argument, just wondering. I mean, that's a lot of sacrifice and risk for the good of the rest of the community.
What constitutes "a sacrifice for the good of the community?" By that logic, one could validate "terrorists," or any other extremist. Were you meaning that their "sacrifice" serves some nationalistic function?
Well of course you could validate terrorism. You could define The American Revolutionists as terrorists or the French resistance.

OT. Yep sometimes I get slightly annoyed. I got especially annoyed when in a commercial I saw a 8 year old wearing a Keffiyeh, he can not possible taken any political standpoint at that age.
 

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Brotherofwill said:
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If they'd focus on ground moves in itself then you'd have a lot more refined sport. If they'd focus on striking only, you'd have a lot more of a refined sport.
Yeah but if they focused on ground only then it would cease to be mixed martial arts... you'd pretty much just have a Wrestling/Jui jitsu competition. Same goes for the stand up... it would just be a kickboxing competition like K1.
Yeah, but that was kind of my point. I don't think martial arts mix well. In abstract terms it's like...I'd rather go watch a brilliant comedy, followed by a thrilling action movie or a suspenseful thriller than watching a movie that tries to combine horror and comedy and action in one and end up not really nailing any aspect.

Sometimes less is more. Anyway, keep on practicing buddy. With that work ethic you can get far, there's quite a bit of money in MMA. Keep rocking.
I know this little debate is over but just a tiny history lesson.

UFC started off with a hand full of strikers, with various skills (from boxing to mauy thai) and a hand full of ground guys, with various skills (wrestling, BJJ etc). Sometimes the ground guys get knocked out, sometimes the striker gets tapped or put on his back and punched into submission, sometimes the striker got out struck and the ground guy got tapped.

So the ground guys learned to punch and strikers learned submissions, we now have MMA.

Theres also people like Chuck Liddell who were wrestling champions in college and now is a rather scary striker.

To round this post off. Kimbo Slice made his name by beating up bouncers and people who think they could fight on youtube, he destroyed them all. Kimbo then went on TUF (the ultimate fighter) trained his nuts off then lost a fight to a really fat veteran of cage fighting. So even the most out of shape fighter can still fight.

On topic. I am rather disturbed at the new trend of tights, tights used to be considered a piece of underwear, maybe poking out the bottom of a skirt. Now it's completely okay for a woman to walk down the street wearing nothing below her waist except some tights.
 

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I wear a dog tag has all of my medical information on it because I have a blood disorder. I don't wear it to say that I served, I never did, and never can. I respect the soldiers for their service. :)
 

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Scene kids wearing Cradle of Filth shirts make me grin a little, especially when they fail to recognise a Cradle song if it comes on.

The only falsifying that actually angers me is people online who think they're emotionally unbalanced and ultra violent people who are barely kept from lashing out at others by what we humans call 'social restraint'. There's something about that degree of nihilistic self aggrandisement that sets my teeth on edge, I don't have time to dig that picture out but you know the kind I mean...

EDIT: People who think that others behaving in the socially 'normal' manner are automatically mindless sheep. Like that t-shirt, 'you laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at you because you are all the same'. No, they laugh at you because you're a man wearing make-up and you're wearing trousers covered in zips that look like sails. I love metal and used to dig the Gothic look but seriously, most 'alternative' fashion is hilarious.
You just summed up every point i was going to write. Thank you. The Internet psycho and the elitist metal heads are the most annoying people i meet in day to day life.
 

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Doitpow said:
swolf said:
I may just be mean but these things bug me. First, people who wear dog tags but have never served. If you're going to wear them, at least know their purpose please. (For anybody who doesn't know, they are used for the identification of dead remains that would be otherwise unknown). Also, if you are a military spouse you are NOT part of the military. Yeah, I realize it's difficult and all and I do commend them for what they do but they did NOT enlist (or become an officer), have not gone through the training and are not risking their lives for their country. Don't claim to be what you are not.
I have no respect for people in the military. I respect people who pretend to be in the military even less.
You have no respect for people who risk their lives to protect your ass?
Dumbass
Dick
I can't think of an accurate term here.
 

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Scene kids wearing Cradle of Filth shirts make me grin a little, especially when they fail to recognise a Cradle song if it comes on.

The only falsifying that actually angers me is people online who think they're emotionally unbalanced and ultra violent people who are barely kept from lashing out at others by what we humans call 'social restraint'. There's something about that degree of nihilistic self aggrandisement that sets my teeth on edge, I don't have time to dig that picture out but you know the kind I mean...

EDIT: People who think that others behaving in the socially 'normal' manner are automatically mindless sheep. Like that t-shirt, 'you laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at you because you are all the same'. No, they laugh at you because you're a man wearing make-up and you're wearing trousers covered in zips that look like sails. I love metal and used to dig the Gothic look but seriously, most 'alternative' fashion is hilarious.
Uhh, the latter does define you as "sheep", my friend.

You only view men wearing what you could call "manly" attire "normal" because that's the current societal norm. If you weren't indoctrinated since childhood that men wear, say, no skirts (kilts excluded, although most people will still find those awkward), no make up, and so on and didn't choose to hold on to these values once you've gained the ability to reject them, you wouldn't find that much of problem with a guy wearing make up and "alternative" clothing.

Well, the basic "doesn't look like me = strange" thing might still apply.

I don't care much for fashion, but following societal norms without any introspection, and perhaps with it, is exactly what one could call "being sheep".
mokes310 said:
swolf said:
Doitpow said:
swolf said:
I may just be mean but these things bug me. First, people who wear dog tags but have never served. If you're going to wear them, at least know their purpose please. (For anybody who doesn't know, they are used for the identification of dead remains that would be otherwise unknown). Also, if you are a military spouse you are NOT part of the military. Yeah, I realize it's difficult and all and I do commend them for what they do but they did NOT enlist (or become an officer), have not gone through the training and are not risking their lives for their country. Don't claim to be what you are not.
I have no respect for people in the military. I respect people who pretend to be in the military even less.
1 question, why don't you respect people in the military? I'm not trying to start an argument, just wondering. I mean, that's a lot of sacrifice and risk for the good of the rest of the community.
What constitutes "a sacrifice for the good of the community?" By that logic, one could validate "terrorists," or any other extremist. Were you meaning that their "sacrifice" serves some nationalistic function?
Uh, you do know that, say, extremist muslim terrorists would be viewed as heroes in the extremist muslim communities? There is no objective morals, there is no right or wrong. Terrorists, especially the ones everyone's up about this (or rather last) decade, are performing a religious/cultural functions.

Of course, seeing how their religion/culture almost directly goes against almost all of our western norms, which aren't that great at times but by comparison are better then any other shit on the planet, you'd see them as "evil". If you were of extremist Muslim, uh, "faith", you'd see them as heroes. If you were a Muslim following their religion correctly, you'd see them as heroes (because if you're going to pick and choose random things from the only half-assed "proof" for your religion, not unlike Christians in the west, you're a pretty big hypocrite. Both Islam and Christianity "books" have lines that could be summarized by "kill all those who aren't of our religion, you're actually doing them good/or you go to hell with them/ etc". If you claim something is a word of god, you either follow it fully or you don't follow it at all.)
 

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omega 616 said:
To round this post off. Kimbo Slice made his name by beating up bouncers and people who think they could fight on youtube, he destroyed them all. Kimbo then went on TUF (the ultimate fighter) trained his nuts off then lost a fight to a really fat veteran of cage fighting. So even the most out of shape fighter can still fight.
That just mostly shows that Kimbo sucks. He does win matches though right? MMA is just full of horrible missmatches.
 

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You know what I hate? When people talk about what they hate... *head gets sucked in paradox vortex*
 

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Baby Tea said:
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People in the army aren't there because they believe they're fighting for their family or community, they're in it because they kind of want to kill things. Theres nothing wrong with that, it's a good outlet, far better than strangling hookers in alleyways but don't try to dress it up as something noble that they're actually out their fighting to make other peoples lives somehow safer or 'better'.
If that really was the case they'd be volunteering to do something that actually makes a difference, rather that just fueling their own governments quest for dominance.
This is one of the silliest things I've ever heard.
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

My uncle was in Vietnam, and I can tell you that the last thing he wanted to do then, and do now, was kill things. You can't even get the guy to talk about the shit he saw. He isn't off bragging about killing people. It was horrific. That's not what it was about. It was about serving your country.

And there will be gun-nut wackos in the military, just like there are jerks in every profession ever.

To reduce the motivation of every enlisted military personnel to 'they just want to kill things' is immature, ignorant, and flat out wrong. I have family and friends who are in the military, and it certainly isn't because 'they want to kill things'. What they want to to serve and protect their country, and their country's citizens.
First of all i'd like to point out that there's a massive difference between people who willingly sign up and those who are unfairly drafted (which is what i'm assuming happened to your uncle, which is in itself one of the most absurd things ever created).

I don't mean to cause any offense regarding what your uncle had been put through both physically and psychologically during his time in the armed forces, but no-one can justify that particular war, anyone with any education on the Vietnam war knows that it boiled down to nothing more than the U.S's desire to control the spread of communism at any cost, unfortunately the particular cost of that ideology was far greater than it ever should have been. No-one can say that military action was 'right' or just, and to argue otherwise is absurd.

The idea that Vietnam was a threat to the US in away way is absurd, as is thinking that Iraq is today (and if it is that is only because the US made it a threat.

I feel i'm getting off-topic somewhat but that is only to justify my reasoning behind the fact that the idea of the military being an entity that somehow protects peoples communities is just absurd, if individuals truly wished to benefit those around them there are far more beneficial and diplomatic ways to do so.

The only function of a fighting military is to attempt to control issues and circumstances that have only even been caused due to soceity's collective failings.
 

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swolf said:
All the prepy kids at my elementary school, first year of high school 75% were emo. Basically this kid:


(Most emo kids are posers anyway, any kid who is actually miserable or sad either doesn't really show it or is goth.)

Edit: When I was younger I spent many years in therapy because of depression, nobody at my school even realised. Emo kids seem to be proud or think its cool to be depressed, thats why I kinda hate them.
 

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omega 616 said:
To round this post off. Kimbo Slice made his name by beating up bouncers and people who think they could fight on youtube, he destroyed them all. Kimbo then went on TUF (the ultimate fighter) trained his nuts off then lost a fight to a really fat veteran of cage fighting. So even the most out of shape fighter can still fight.
I think the Kimbo fight with Seth Petruzelli was one of the quickest matches I've seen in my life... I think it was about 12-15 seconds long. Ouch. Though to be honest... many of these unsanctioned bare-knuckled fighters haven't really done all that well in the cage.
 

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seydaman said:
Doitpow said:
swolf said:
I may just be mean but these things bug me. First, people who wear dog tags but have never served. If you're going to wear them, at least know their purpose please. (For anybody who doesn't know, they are used for the identification of dead remains that would be otherwise unknown). Also, if you are a military spouse you are NOT part of the military. Yeah, I realize it's difficult and all and I do commend them for what they do but they did NOT enlist (or become an officer), have not gone through the training and are not risking their lives for their country. Don't claim to be what you are not.
I have no respect for people in the military. I respect people who pretend to be in the military even less.
You have no respect for people who risk their lives to protect your ass?
Dumbass
Dick
I can't think of an accurate term here.
You do realize that unless you live in some total shithole (I.e, pretty much any country that's actively in a real war, civil or otherwise... Although I suppose it doesn't necessarily apply in case of civil war either), military does very little to "protect your ass". Your local police department, your local fire department, your local paramedics and surgeons, they do a hell of a lot more to "protect your ass".

Mindless respect of anything is just wrong.

Here in Canada, do you think I care about a handful of soldiers in Middle East? It wasn't so much a Canadian war in the first place, and while I can understand the potential preventative measures to it, they're doing it wrong.

Occupying a country and trying to westernize it is a bad use of resources. You either kill 'em all, which would understandably go against a number of Geneva convention principles, or you stay out of it and only interfere if some real shit happens and leave soon after. You can't fix a situation like that by outside means, it has to be fixed from inside the country by the people who live there. Just marching in, taking the position of authority, and staying there will not give you any long lasting peace.

You can't extinguish a guerrilla war without taking some rather illegal methods, and even then it's not guaranteed. And by staying in their land, you only give the people more reasons to attack you which could be used by some charismatic speaker in position of authority to recruit even more fighters. And the moment the army leaves, there would be a huge shit storm - the feeble democracy they are trying to establish is likely to crash and the power vacuum will probably be taken by someone pretty atrocious, so the war will have to go on.

And that's a major waste of resources, so fuck it.

I could see how your logic might work, but unless your country is in a real war with someone directly attacking your country in order to conquer/exterminate it, the military isn't protecting your ass much.
 

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generic gamer said:
Scene kids wearing Cradle of Filth shirts make me grin a little, especially when they fail to recognise a Cradle song if it comes on.

The only falsifying that actually angers me is people online who think they're emotionally unbalanced and ultra violent people who are barely kept from lashing out at others by what we humans call 'social restraint'. There's something about that degree of nihilistic self aggrandisement that sets my teeth on edge, I don't have time to dig that picture out but you know the kind I mean...

EDIT: People who think that others behaving in the socially 'normal' manner are automatically mindless sheep. Like that t-shirt, 'you laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at you because you are all the same'. No, they laugh at you because you're a man wearing make-up and you're wearing trousers covered in zips that look like sails. I love metal and used to dig the Gothic look but seriously, most 'alternative' fashion is hilarious.
Exactly, I spent many years recovering from depression. Did I dress or act like an attention grabing tard? No. Modern fashions are pretty stupid, people feel the need to show everything about themselves in thier freaking clothes. (Like logos and bands names) Point is, if you feel the need to do so, your a very insecure person.
 

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Doitpow said:
swolf said:
I may just be mean but these things bug me. First, people who wear dog tags but have never served. If you're going to wear them, at least know their purpose please. (For anybody who doesn't know, they are used for the identification of dead remains that would be otherwise unknown). Also, if you are a military spouse you are NOT part of the military. Yeah, I realize it's difficult and all and I do commend them for what they do but they did NOT enlist (or become an officer), have not gone through the training and are not risking their lives for their country. Don't claim to be what you are not.
I have no respect for people in the military. I respect people who pretend to be in the military even less.
Just because someone's in the military doesn't mean that they don't deserve respect, granted, here in the states, the folks fighting in the Middle East are fighting a bit of a useless war at this point, but they're still putting their necks out for what many believe to be a worthy cause, and that's got to be worth something.

OT: I don't care if you wear dogtags belonging to a family member. If that family member was KIA, I think it's the family's right to display that their husband/father/brother was fighting and killed in the military. Now, kids who go around wearing their fathers' dogtags acting like they're Marines, that's what annoys me. But wearing dogtags as a sign of respect is no problem.
 

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Doitpow said:
swolf said:
I may just be mean but these things bug me. First, people who wear dog tags but have never served. If you're going to wear them, at least know their purpose please. (For anybody who doesn't know, they are used for the identification of dead remains that would be otherwise unknown). Also, if you are a military spouse you are NOT part of the military. Yeah, I realize it's difficult and all and I do commend them for what they do but they did NOT enlist (or become an officer), have not gone through the training and are not risking their lives for their country. Don't claim to be what you are not.
I have no respect for people in the military. I respect people who pretend to be in the military even less.
May I ask why? Most soldiers are just regular people protecting what they believe in. (My uncle was a Rifleman, an I plan to be a Police officer)