Don't claim to be what you're not.

[Regiment]

People who think that others behaving in the socially 'normal' manner are automatically mindless sheep.

That drives me crazy too. Similarly, agreeing with the government, or religious leaders, or that guy you met at the bus stop does not make you a brainwashed follower. Questioning authority to encourage societal change is good. Questioning authority for the sake of questioning authority is annoying.

 

[BonsaiK]

I apologize to anybody who misunderstands this. I wrote it while sleep deprived and irritated. It was meant as a rant about people I know and was wondering if anybody else had similar experiences. I would edit it but then people's responses wouldn't make sense so I'll leave it as is.

I may just be mean but these things bug me. First, people who wear dog tags but have never served. If you're going to wear them, at least know their purpose please. (For anybody who doesn't know, they are used for the identification of dead remains that would be otherwise unknown). Also, if you are a military spouse you are NOT part of the military. Yeah, I realize it's difficult and all and I do commend them for what they do but they did NOT enlist (or become an officer), have not gone through the training and are not risking their lives for their country. Don't claim to be what you are not. Also, people who wear MMA shirts but can't fight.

OToes this bug anybody else or are there similar things that bug you?

None of this bugs me. I don't really care what other people wear, or why.

As for me, I don't wear dogtags because I don't like the way they look, but I wear military clothes all the time. I don't do it because I think I'm in the military, I'm not and have no interest in the military whatsoever. I wear those clothes because I can get them cheap, they look good and they're really tough-wearing and practical, with lots of convenient pockets. I also have a couple shirts relating to martial arts, one is a hand-me-down from someone else who trains, the other is from when I went to see a tournament, I bought the shirt to support and advertise the enterprise. I don't see anything wrong with any of that, and if someone else does, well, that's their problem, not mine. For all I know someone who has met me is posting somewhere about my fashion sense on an internet forum as I type this.

 

[Sovvolf]

Bums? what are you talking about?... ho I see, the same arguement I hear from most traditional MA's... "it's just a bunch of idiots thrown into a cage", no it's not... a lot of effort goes into our training, the fighting is a lot more complex then most people think, sure it doesn't look all flashy but that doesn't mean it's not hard work or nothings going on.

No need to be offended man. Keep it cool.

Sorry, though you need to understand my frustration here. I'm a mixed martial artist and well every time I mention some thing like this I get TMA's giving me shit about how much of a bum I am or that I'm an unskilled fighter. That or I mention cage fighting and they come out with comments like "Ho just a bunch of guys from the pub thrown in a cage" as if there's no training involved. There's a lot of training involved a lot of cross training, having to go to separate gyms to learn separate style, a lot of money paid out and a lot of blood sweat an tears... there's training involved... lots of it.

If they'd focus on ground moves in itself then you'd have a lot more refined sport. If they'd focus on striking only, you'd have a lot more of a refined sport.

Yeah but if they focused on ground only then it would cease to be mixed martial arts... you'd pretty much just have a Wrestling/Jui jitsu competition. Same goes for the stand up... it would just be a kickboxing competition like K1.

If you have this terrific, karate striker and he gets taken down by a grappler, the match is essentially over after 2 minutes of wrestling on the ground. It just doesn't make for a good mix. The individual disciplines are much more polished and make for more skilled fighting.

That's the whole point of MMA... you can't just focus on one thing, you need to be balanced enough to keep that grappler on his feet in order to take him down with your far superior striking ability. As you've mentioned a master Karate fighter could come in with just his Karate and be taken straight out because he didn't know any ground work. Same for a pure grappler walking in there... the MMA would (in theory) be able to force the grappler on his feet and make him strike.

I think it's flashy. It makes for good viewing. But if you'd take the top guy and pit him against the world's leading wrestler or against the world's leading boxer, he'd get dismatled because the guys practicing individual sports have a much more refined set of skills.

Yes if you put a MMA into a boxing match with the leading boxer or a grappling match with the leading grappler... he'd more then likely get destroyed however you put one of those two in the cage and well... as stated about... he'd probably get his arse kicked. The boxer wouldn't know how to defend a takedown or defend against submissions, so he'd either get taken down and pounded or made to submit. The grappler wouldn't be any good at striking and the MMA would use his balanced knowledge of grappling to keep the Wrestler on his feet and out strike him.

Though none of this answers how they couldn't fight in the real world... a common thug isn't going to know even the basics of boxing or even the basics of grappling... and arsewhupping would ensue.

 

[oppp7]

I may just be mean but these things bug me. First, people who wear dog tags but have never served. If you're going to wear them, at least know their purpose please. (For anybody who doesn't know, they are used for the identification of dead remains that would be otherwise unknown). Also, if you are a military spouse you are NOT part of the military. Yeah, I realize it's difficult and all and I do commend them for what they do but they did NOT enlist (or become an officer), have not gone through the training and are not risking their lives for their country. Don't claim to be what you are not.

I have no respect for people in the military. I respect people who pretend to be in the military even less.

Happy birthday!

OT: I don't see the point in wearing them either way. The badges seem like a better idea. And wearing those when you didn't earn them is against the law(I think. Don't quote me on that).

 

[DSEZ]

I apologize to anybody who misunderstands this. I wrote it while sleep deprived and irritated. It was meant as a rant about people I know and was wondering if anybody else had similar experiences. I would edit it but then people's responses wouldn't make sense so I'll leave it as is.

I may just be mean but these things bug me. First, people who wear dog tags but have never served. If you're going to wear them, at least know their purpose please. (For anybody who doesn't know, they are used for the identification of dead remains that would be otherwise unknown). Also, if you are a military spouse you are NOT part of the military. Yeah, I realize it's difficult and all and I do commend them for what they do but they did NOT enlist (or become an officer), have not gone through the training and are not risking their lives for their country. Don't claim to be what you are not. Also, people who wear MMA shirts but can't fight.

OToes this bug anybody else or are there similar things that bug you?

the mma thing gets to me every now and again because people who pose are like "yeah i can fight mma" me:really? cool we should spar sometime "nah man i think i would whip your butt" me:lets find out we should spar

and it goes from there i dont like it its become too main stream

 

[Doitpow]

I have no respect for people in the military. I respect people who pretend to be in the military even less.

Happy birthday![/quote]


Hey thanks, man. Happy unbirthday to you!

 

[Rakkana]

I may just be mean but these things bug me. First, people who wear dog tags but have never served. If you're going to wear them, at least know their purpose please. (For anybody who doesn't know, they are used for the identification of dead remains that would be otherwise unknown). Also, if you are a military spouse you are NOT part of the military. Yeah, I realize it's difficult and all and I do commend them for what they do but they did NOT enlist (or become an officer), have not gone through the training and are not risking their lives for their country. Don't claim to be what you are not.

I have no respect for people in the military. I respect people who pretend to be in the military even less.

says it all for me.

 

[Standby]

I may just be mean but these things bug me. First, people who wear dog tags but have never served. If you're going to wear them, at least know their purpose please. (For anybody who doesn't know, they are used for the identification of dead remains that would be otherwise unknown). Also, if you are a military spouse you are NOT part of the military. Yeah, I realize it's difficult and all and I do commend them for what they do but they did NOT enlist (or become an officer), have not gone through the training and are not risking their lives for their country. Don't claim to be what you are not.

I have no respect for people in the military. I respect people who pretend to be in the military even less.

1 question, why don't you respect people in the military? I'm not trying to start an argument, just wondering. I mean, that's a lot of sacrifice and risk for the good of the rest of the community.

What constitutes "a sacrifice for the good of the community?" By that logic, one could validate "terrorists," or any other extremist. Were you meaning that their "sacrifice" serves some nationalistic function?

Hey, they believe what they believe and are willing to sacrifice their life to protect what they feel would be best for their family and community. That's what I respect, I may not agree with their ideals nor do I agree with EVERYTHING these people do, mostly the fact that they risk their lives for what they believe.

You respect them for being idiots?
People in the army aren't there because they believe they're fighting for their family or community, they're in it because they kind of want to kill things. Theres nothing wrong with that, it's a good outlet, far better than strangling hookers in alleyways but don't try to dress it up as something noble that they're actually out their fighting to make other peoples lives somehow safer or 'better'.
If that really was the case they'd be volunteering to do something that actually makes a difference, rather that just fueling their own governments quest for dominance.

 

[Brotherofwill]

If they'd focus on ground moves in itself then you'd have a lot more refined sport. If they'd focus on striking only, you'd have a lot more of a refined sport.

Yeah but if they focused on ground only then it would cease to be mixed martial arts... you'd pretty much just have a Wrestling/Jui jitsu competition. Same goes for the stand up... it would just be a kickboxing competition like K1.

Yeah, but that was kind of my point. I don't think martial arts mix well. In abstract terms it's like...I'd rather go watch a brilliant comedy, followed by a thrilling action movie or a suspenseful thriller than watching a movie that tries to combine horror and comedy and action in one and end up not really nailing any aspect.

Sometimes less is more. Anyway, keep on practicing buddy. With that work ethic you can get far, there's quite a bit of money in MMA. Keep rocking.

 

[the_maestro_sartori]

I'm confused.
Why do you assume people that wear dog tags / mma shirts etc etc are pretending to be that which their apparel is usually associated with?

I have a set of dog tags with my name on, I've never served in the military, I wear them simply for aesthetic purposes.
I have a Chute Boxe shirt, but have never trained in Muay Thai / MMA, I wear it because I'm a big fan of the fighters that hail/have hailed from that camp.
I have a 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu shirt, and although I do train in Jiu Jitsu, I've never trained with 10th Planet.

Halloween must be a blast round your area, what with you running around yelling at kids telling them to stop pretending to be batman, stop pretending to be a soldier, stop pretending to be a vampire and stop pretending to be spiderman when they're not.

 

[Sennz0r]

I wear one dog tag. Me and two of my friends had 3 identical ones made in memory of great times we've spent together. Pretty sure I won't wear it forever, and a long while ago I've moved to wearing it underneath my clothes. It's just nice to have a little memento of my friends. We chose dog tags because they're durable and a but more manly than anything you would buy at a freaking jewellery store. Is that wrong in any way?

Things that annoy me... when I'm trying to open a soda can and the little thingy on top breaks off. Makes me want to kill.

 

[Sovvolf]

If they'd focus on ground moves in itself then you'd have a lot more refined sport. If they'd focus on striking only, you'd have a lot more of a refined sport.

Yeah but if they focused on ground only then it would cease to be mixed martial arts... you'd pretty much just have a Wrestling/Jui jitsu competition. Same goes for the stand up... it would just be a kickboxing competition like K1.

Yeah, but that was kind of my point. I don't think martial arts mix well. In abstract terms it's like...I'd rather go watch a brilliant comedy, followed by a thrilling action movie or a suspenseful thriller than watching a movie that tries to combine horror and comedy and action in one and end up not really nailing any aspect.

Not even Evil Dead?. Okay I see what you mean however it still doesn't convince me that MMA's cannot fight. Though I can understand if it's not your personal preference. I can admit that some fights do look sloppy and without prior knowledge it can look like a total mess.

Sometimes less is more. Anyway, keep on practicing buddy. With that work ethic you can get far, there's quite a bit of money in MMA. Keep rocking.

Thank you very much matey.

 

[Mister Benoit]

It's funny that most of the people who buy clothing brands such as Nike, Adidas, Fila or w/e new sporting brands there are, are actually usually over weight and don't participate in any physical activities. Phonies have been around forever, and I find a 300pound man wearing a "Sports 4 Life" jersey much more insulting than a person who has a dog-tag.

 

[Ironic Pirate]

So is this now a "what pisses me off" thread? I need one of those...

 

[RowdyRodimus]

When my brother was in Iraq, his unit gave all of the family members dog tags exactly like those of their relative for us to wear. It was a way to symbolize that they were close to our heart while they were away in war. Now you might not like us to wear them, but I do believe that the CO of a branch of the United States Armed Forces telling us that we SHOULD wear them trumps your distaste of it.

Sorry if that came out rude, but not everyone wears them for fashion reasons and I've never heard of anyone wearing them to impersonate a soldier. Even if they tried, it's the military ID that's important, not the tags. Although I have seen people wearing Purple Heart medals they got online or at a Army Surplus and that does tick me off.

Here's a question for you. Even though I was never in the military, I was in ROTC for years. Some of the medals they give out are alomost identical to the ones the military gives out such as the Expert Marksman medal, if I wear it on a jacket do you think that is wrong even though I earned it and it was presented to me by a General of the US Army?

 

[ultimateownage]

Actually I have some dog tags around here somewhere which I wore occasionally, I only wore them for style purposes, because they look cool, I'm not trying to claim I was in the army, I'm 13 for Christ's sakes. Although I prefer the stylish ones that are only in the shape of an actual dog tags, so it looks less like you're pretending to be in the army, like the ones with band symbols on.

 

[EeveeElectro]

It's only a fashion thing.

I thought you meant those people who pretend to be something they're not to fit in. One of my friends is like that...
"Oh, everyone else is bisexual? I am too! and everyone else is a vegetarian! Yeah, me too!!"

 

[Baby Tea]

People in the army aren't there because they believe they're fighting for their family or community, they're in it because they kind of want to kill things. Theres nothing wrong with that, it's a good outlet, far better than strangling hookers in alleyways but don't try to dress it up as something noble that they're actually out their fighting to make other peoples lives somehow safer or 'better'.
If that really was the case they'd be volunteering to do something that actually makes a difference, rather that just fueling their own governments quest for dominance.

This is one of the silliest things I've ever heard.
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

My uncle was in Vietnam, and I can tell you that the last thing he wanted to do then, and do now, was kill things. You can't even get the guy to talk about the shit he saw. He isn't off bragging about killing people. It was horrific. That's not what it was about. It was about serving your country.

And there will be gun-nut wackos in the military, just like there are jerks in every profession ever.

To reduce the motivation of every enlisted military personnel to 'they just want to kill things' is immature, ignorant, and flat out wrong. I have family and friends who are in the military, and it certainly isn't because 'they want to kill things'. What they want to to serve and protect their country, and their country's citizens.