Don't Write Kinect Off So Early

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alloneword

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Mako SOLDIER said:
alloneword said:
Mako SOLDIER said:
alloneword said:
I don't like that while playing a Kinect game you absolutely have to be standing...

Nope, sorry, it has been confirmed that you absolutely do not need to be standing. In fact, it was confired about 2 weeks ago.
Proof please.
Done.

http://www.oxm.co.uk/article.php?id=20402
-bows graciously-
Then I concede my point.
 

mada7

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Mako SOLDIER said:
mada7 said:
I've written off kinect because it is imposssible to move a character in the game from one end of a room to the other without having an infinitely large room or walking into your tv. The leaning thing doesn't work because if you want to move your character forward for a prolonged period of time your back will start to hurt if you have to bend forward to move. All this thing can handle are on rails games, dancing, or minigames it's so limiting
Lean forward to accelerate or start moving, stand up straight to maintain speed, lean back to decelerate. Ok, so there could be other solutions, but it doesn't take a genius to think up a couple. Besides, if running on the spot works for the 100m hurdles in Kinect sports then you could just walk on the spot, there's no need to walk across your room. You could steer by moving one hand to any edge of the screen (not neccessarily right at the edge, just within a certain distance of, perhaps it could even turn faster the closer your hand is to the edge) to turn that way and the other hand for gesture based commands etc. Seriously, has anyone who is already dismissing Kinect actually thought about it for more than 5 minutes?
Having to constantly lean will cause back problems if you play for any significant period of time and hypothetically what if I wanted my character to walk in place. Also the running in the games you mentioned that uses that is on a track that you are nailed to a game like gears of war or halo necessitate moving in a 3D space
 

Shoggoth2588

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I'm just sitting at the side-line enjoying the boo-ing. KinetAnimals or whatever seems interesting, moreso then the PS3 equivalent where you can only have a mutant alien-monkey, especially when you believe, as I believe, that the best kind of pet is the kind you don't have to feed or clean up after.

On the whole, Natal could turn into this generation's Virtual Boy. So could Move. I'm just going to wait and see.

As a sidenote...I though MILO was just a hyper-advanced tech demo. I don't see how Milo could possibly work as a game unless it is a weird kind of dating sim. Or something worse...

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capin Rob

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No thanks, I just rite that shit off, for I already have A WII, don't need another one, I would rather Buy a ps3 just to play MGS4,
 

soulasylum85

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i have a wii and it doesnt get played. mainly because I LIKE USING A CONTROLLER and motion controls will never give you the percision and control that an actual controller does. i just dont see myself wasting my money on any more novelty shit that will just sit on my shelf and collect dust
 

Sapphire Angel

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Kinect is an experiment, as with the playstation move as far as I know. So if it doesn't work, they upgrade it, it's the start of something and while it may not be perfect, it has a good idea behind it, while it might need some polish and revision.

It could evolve into something that will be the next big revolution. Wether or not someone buys it is up to them, I, for one, and going to try it.
 

ragestreet

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I didn't like the eyetoy. I didn't like the wii's motion controls. There is very little chance I'll like the Kinect.
 

MinishArcticFox

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Whether or not $150 is set in stone or not the price will likely be somewhere around there. With regards to launch titles I didn't buy that "the later titles will be better shit" when the PS3 did it. Microsoft will be phazing out the 360 in a couple of years anyway and the kinnect will go with it it doesn't have long to get good at what it's trying to do or get good games out there. For 100 plus dollars I won't get it.

Plus the E3 demo was horrible and Justin Bieber advertises it which means that it isn't even pointed at my demographic which means that it's likely not even Microsoft thinks I will like it.
 

Mako SOLDIER

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alloneword said:
Mako SOLDIER said:
alloneword said:
Mako SOLDIER said:
alloneword said:
I don't like that while playing a Kinect game you absolutely have to be standing...

Nope, sorry, it has been confirmed that you absolutely do not need to be standing. In fact, it was confired about 2 weeks ago.
Proof please.
Done.

http://www.oxm.co.uk/article.php?id=20402
-bows graciously-
Then I concede my point.
Very gracious indeed.

Of course, that doesn't mean Kinect won't be rubbish, but I'm hoping it won't. I keep coming up with half formed ideas for it :D Now I'm wondering if a game where you play a monster of some sort could have a mechanic where you pull faces to scare cowardly townsfolk :D
 

Citrus

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It's the sort of thing where you really don't have to try it to know whether or not you're going to like it.
 

Mako SOLDIER

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mada7 said:
Mako SOLDIER said:
mada7 said:
I've written off kinect because it is imposssible to move a character in the game from one end of a room to the other without having an infinitely large room or walking into your tv. The leaning thing doesn't work because if you want to move your character forward for a prolonged period of time your back will start to hurt if you have to bend forward to move. All this thing can handle are on rails games, dancing, or minigames it's so limiting
Lean forward to accelerate or start moving, stand up straight to maintain speed, lean back to decelerate. Ok, so there could be other solutions, but it doesn't take a genius to think up a couple. Besides, if running on the spot works for the 100m hurdles in Kinect sports then you could just walk on the spot, there's no need to walk across your room. You could steer by moving one hand to any edge of the screen (not neccessarily right at the edge, just within a certain distance of, perhaps it could even turn faster the closer your hand is to the edge) to turn that way and the other hand for gesture based commands etc. Seriously, has anyone who is already dismissing Kinect actually thought about it for more than 5 minutes?
Having to constantly lean will cause back problems if you play for any significant period of time and hypothetically what if I wanted my character to walk in place. Also the running in the games you mentioned that uses that is on a track that you are nailed to a game like gears of war or halo necessitate moving in a 3D space
I see your point, but it would depend upon how far the person leans. A quick lean forward to accelerate followed by standing up straight isn't going to strain the back at all. Hypothetically there could be a trigger such as holding one hand up in a 'stop' gesture whilst walking would cause you to walk on the spot. Still, I don't see any reason to want to walk on the spot in a game.

Well, yes, the running is on rails, but it still essentially reads 'walking motion = go forward. Speed of walking = character speed'. That could work. Gears could easily involve those controls to move forward, the hand based steering I mentioned previously, and a sidestep in order to sidestep or roll. Ok, so the 'duck and run' (for some reason the actual name of the run has fallen out of my head) would need to do something different, but that's still doable (shout a warcry whilst running for instance).

The only thing I can't think of a pretty simple and intuitive solution for is strafing. Of course I could just fall back on leaning again, but considering how much strafing people do in shooters, your point about back strain might come into play here. Still not sure about that though, plenty of sports people have to do far more strenuous movements with their backs for longer periods of time that a 1 or 2 hour gaming session. Personally, I think the likelihood is that a few people may pull a muscle if they overdo it, but the majority would actually find it beneficial in the long run. If someone is going to seriously harm their back from a bit of leaning, then I'd imagine they have some serious fitness problems already. After all, you don't find workout videos being recalled for giving people back problems.

Since Capcom are so keen on using classic Resi 'tank controls' with a not-far-off-first-person viewpoint, a Resi game would easily be able to use the control ideas mentioned above and in my post that you quoted.
 

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Lightslei said:
To be fair Madworld, and Dragon Quest Swords are actually pretty good. Muramasa The Demon Blade has a love/hate relationship depending on the person. And of course you could wait it out for the new Kirby, Zelda, DK and Metroid. The rest I will admit, is crap.
But that's exactly the point. Other than maybe five or six games they all suck. Personally I feel like the motion controls take you more out of the immersive experience than putting you into it. Because after a while of sitting with a controller you don't think about pushing the buttons so much, but that can't really happen with motion controls. Since you have to think a lot more about moving your entire arm than just moving your thumb. And with the Kinect I feel like all of the jumping around is actually going to distract me from the actually game rather than enhancing it. I'll just be more concerned with not hitting anything..
 

I Max95

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nothing to do with the price, the games or justin beiber
i just generally dont want to stand up while playing a game
i generally dont want to involve my entire body in a game
i generally dont want to look like an idiot while playing
need i go on
 

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I already have a Wii, so there is no point in buying the knock-off. I have my 360 primarily for RPGs anyway.
 

SturmDolch

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Too late, already sold my Xbox and Natal (or Kinect as it's known as now) was a large reason for it. I bought a console to play games, not wave around like an idiot. I'm so thankful to have a PC capable of playing games now.
 

grayjo

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We just need Sony and Microsoft to merge... Sony's 3D gimmick combined with Microsoft's Kinect gimmick... would be a pretty awesome gimmick.