Same opinion here. The temptation is strong though.Nova Helix said:
Will it look as bad on xbox as it' predecessor did?
Who votes for pc version?
Dragon Age 2 leaked
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Will it look as bad on xbox as it' predecessor did?
Who votes for pc version?
No, EA caved in at the last minute. Originally the idea was to have periodic phone home to verify that you are not an evil thief, and also to transmit your game telemetry (how you play, how often, achievements etc etc) to EA's big brother server. However that is now officially scrapped, and there is just a one-time online activation. After that it will check if you happen to be online, but should work if you never go online again. See the BioWare social forum for details (but beware of the Tali romance threads - they can leave you scarred for life).Snotnarok said:
To be honest, why can't things just be out the day they are done? These delays to get "released" are redundant and are only necessary to suit some desires of the masses to stay in endless lines, whereas they think it makes their e-dick bigger.
Seriously, release when it's done. All in all, I support leaks of finished product.
Seriously, release when it's done. All in all, I support leaks of finished product.
Actually, active devil worship doesn't get you on suspension. As long as said devil worship can't be interpreted as having any relations to software piracy.Savagezion said:
Ot: Why do people still get up in arms over leaks, even after the crysis 2 leak, and how that ruined the company, and killed thousands of kittens?
I think piracy works in mysterious ways. Photoshop wouldn't be anywhere near as popular today if it hadn't been pirated in the past. All the rampant pirating of that particular app made for a whole generation who grew up using it and who will often pay for it when going on to a professional career. The same applies to apps such as Windows, Maya, Word, etc.
You could also flip that perspective on its head and say that they only got pirated so much precisely because they were good apps. That it was inevitable.
What people forget is that even though some consumers may be able to afford a nice gaming rig, sometimes that's the limit of their funds. Not every gamer has a nice steady income, and some of those who do have a nice income, choose to prioritize their funds on other things.
Even if games were completely uncrackable, the increase in sales across the board would be very modest. Someone who consumes a lot of games every month through piracy might simply scale back to a few must-have titles. Then spend the rest of their time on something else.
On the positive side, people who pirate games often contribute indirectly by talking about them online, creating more buzz, life, etc. If a game doesn't have a lot of buzz, but is still good, piracy can even help promote it - as witnessed by Minecraft.
I think instead of trying to combat piracy, companies should look into value adding their games and communities and perhaps reach out to consumers much more than they do today. Bring them on board and behind the scenes. I don't know of any major game studio that does this today. How games come into being is still hidden behind NDAs and veils of silence. Some companies may feel this helps them against their competition (really?), but I wager that an open approach would get a lot more community support and involvement.
Companies could also be more upfront about the economics of their games. For example. After having released Dragon Age 1, what if Bioware put up a sales counter on their website and put it bluntly: We need to reach X amount of sales before we can move ahead full steam with Dragon Age 2.
Couple that approach with a continued look into their production pipeline, and suddenly you have a brand new way of advertising their game. A lot of fans would love to follow a game from start to finish and it would create huge amounts of buzz all on its own. Much more than a few pieces of concept art and an occasional game-play trailer does.
One company that's doing this a little bit is Crate Entertainment with Grim Dawn. They speak openly about their development on their forums and engage the community. It's certain that their game will be pirated - but the game will also sell and have an initial momentum, especially thanks to the crowd which has been following its development and contributed by interacting with the devs. People love developers who care enough to listen to them.
TL
R There IS money out there, lots of it and people buy games all the time. Piracy seems bad, but in reality it doesn't matter all that much. What drives sales are good games from good developers who care about their costumers.
Honey works better than vinegar.
You could also flip that perspective on its head and say that they only got pirated so much precisely because they were good apps. That it was inevitable.
What people forget is that even though some consumers may be able to afford a nice gaming rig, sometimes that's the limit of their funds. Not every gamer has a nice steady income, and some of those who do have a nice income, choose to prioritize their funds on other things.
Even if games were completely uncrackable, the increase in sales across the board would be very modest. Someone who consumes a lot of games every month through piracy might simply scale back to a few must-have titles. Then spend the rest of their time on something else.
On the positive side, people who pirate games often contribute indirectly by talking about them online, creating more buzz, life, etc. If a game doesn't have a lot of buzz, but is still good, piracy can even help promote it - as witnessed by Minecraft.
I think instead of trying to combat piracy, companies should look into value adding their games and communities and perhaps reach out to consumers much more than they do today. Bring them on board and behind the scenes. I don't know of any major game studio that does this today. How games come into being is still hidden behind NDAs and veils of silence. Some companies may feel this helps them against their competition (really?), but I wager that an open approach would get a lot more community support and involvement.
Companies could also be more upfront about the economics of their games. For example. After having released Dragon Age 1, what if Bioware put up a sales counter on their website and put it bluntly: We need to reach X amount of sales before we can move ahead full steam with Dragon Age 2.
Couple that approach with a continued look into their production pipeline, and suddenly you have a brand new way of advertising their game. A lot of fans would love to follow a game from start to finish and it would create huge amounts of buzz all on its own. Much more than a few pieces of concept art and an occasional game-play trailer does.
One company that's doing this a little bit is Crate Entertainment with Grim Dawn. They speak openly about their development on their forums and engage the community. It's certain that their game will be pirated - but the game will also sell and have an initial momentum, especially thanks to the crowd which has been following its development and contributed by interacting with the devs. People love developers who care enough to listen to them.
TL
R There IS money out there, lots of it and people buy games all the time. Piracy seems bad, but in reality it doesn't matter all that much. What drives sales are good games from good developers who care about their costumers.Honey works better than vinegar.
It's less than a week before its US release, and it's been leaked.
Not bad, to be honest. Not much of a gap. Usually, it's worse.
Not bad, to be honest. Not much of a gap. Usually, it's worse.
This doesn't make sense to me. Either way, Person A doesn't buy it, but where are persons B,C and D in the second case?Zechnophobe said:
*picks up a virtual rock* Hrmmm... *closes eyes and hurls virtual rock in random direction* Uh oh, I think I just broke a window on Old Man 4Chan's house. Quick! Cheese it before he sicks his pet troll on us!squid5580 said:
OT: Can't say I'm surprised, what game doesn't get leaked before its release nowadays? No point in getting up set over it anymore. People are going to do it and the flame war we like to refer to as a "debate" over it is locked in a maddening loop of logic that every thread on net piracy takes. There is no more meaningful discourse to be had on the subject because both sides are very set on their opinion and neither will concede and inch.
Yours and notch's points are just as "party line" as anything the other guy said. I've seen that argument made many times in piracy discussions. It's an arguing point in the discussion that's just as old and tired and frankly childish. Notch hasn't said anything "enlightening" to add to the piracy debate he's only repackaged the same BS people have been tossing back and forth for years into his own format.Zechnophobe said:
An argument between the pot and the kettle calling each other black goes nowhere because at the end of the day neither of them will listen to the other.
When you are a big triple A game developer with 50-100 people on staff making your game and a million dollar ad campaign Im pretty sure the bottom line is how much money you can make out of it. For Notch, who copied the code from freeware game Infiniminer and for the most part did most of the work with out anybody on a payroll until later in its development and raking in all the profits for himself, and a self-professed pirate himself its no wonder he would say what he did.Choppaduel said:
I'm guessing its usually review sites. Which shouldn't happen, since I'm pretty sure EA controls what copies go where, they could put in a line of code, and when a certain game gets leaked, they could download it, check the code, and if it has an identifying line of code special to the review place it was sent to, EA can crack down on it and, oh I don't know, deny them first access to any new EA game.darth.pixie said:
If it doesn't have a special identification code, they'll know it was someone from the inside, and can take steps to prevent that.
this is smart but i'm surprised they don't already do it...i mean really, your giving out early editions of your game, how hard is it to add some additional code just to track which one is which?Irridium said:
What the hell? I quoted MisterShine on both of those. I didn't even quote you once yesterday. I dunno, sorry man I am gonna go back and see if I can fix it.squid5580 said:
