EA-BioWare makes more DLC, Ignores major bugs, clipping, and memory leaks

[shadow skill]

I would rather have fewer bugs in the game than more extra missions.

*Sigh*
I am sick of spoiled brats whining about how everything should have been in the game on its initial launch. I am quite happy for them to keep pumping out more DLC. They have released the toolset so fans can make their own missions, pump out more missions of their own and have already released 2 patches soo far trying to fix their mistakes and yet your people still fucking whine.
They are working on the issue. Shut up and enjoy it, or don't. Go play some generic rehashed FPS for all I care. I have not come across any of these broken bits so it is not my problem.

WWAAAAHHH I'm whining about people complaining about a game not working properly..WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

You should quit while your ahead.

Quoted for turth. No one was whining about the DLC not being free you ****ing moron, it's a slap in the fact and it promotes pricay when they release tons of low content pay to play DLC but that's not the issue. The issue is that the game's broken and needs to be fixed more than it needs more DLC.

If you want to pirate the game, go ahead and do it. I didn't get any problem with my enjoyment of DA:O. Maybe your expectations are too high? BioWare actually made a game for PC first, and when they want to make some more money which they fucking deserve, you are going to ***** about what? Memory leaks? Yeah, there were some zone where the game started to act weird, so what? Was that the same level as a certain MurMurPurger with bouncing tits that took like long enough to get its poo together when everyone left? NO.

"Everything in DLCs should have been available at launch." I don't know what to make of this. Screw game developers who want to take their time to deliver more stuff for us to enjoy. You know what? You don't want the DLC, you want patches, and fixes? Good, just wait for BioWare to patch the game. Maybe during that time you will get to use the toolset and create some stuff I can play for free after you share it with the community. Mmkay?

So what the roof of your new house leaks like a sieve when it rains, the builder threw in two HDTV's..........

Then you'd ask them to fix the roof. THEN YOU'D GIVE THEM TIME TO DO IT.

HURF DURF the house is supposed to not have a leaking roof before people have moved in. You aren't supposed to release products before they actually work. The HDTV's are hardly important compared to the leaking roof don't you think?

Yes, because as we all know, bug testers can get everything in a game that takes hundreds of hours to play through, never mind any sidequests. Bug testers are gods. Nothing ever gets past them. And if, by some odd chance, something did, or something happened on rigs with different configurations that the ones they used for testing, we all know that any game company worth their salt would be able to fix the issue in two weeks. I mean, it's not like Bioware has earned our trust by making well-made games and listening to their fans, right?

Yawn in real life clients don't really give a shit how complicated something is. What they do care about is that the product that they have bought functions the way it is advertised when they try to utilize it. They don't care that you are making bunches of neat additions to the product, what they do care about is that the product is not even doing the basic things that they expected it to do in the first place. I know first hand how evil memory leaks can be, that hardly changes the fact that when I or the project leader I work under say something is ready to use that it had damn well better be ready because our client does not give a shit about how hard our job is.

...How was that even addressing the point I was making? I mean, I just pointed out (perhaps a bit rudely, but considering your stunning debate skills, I decided to be blunt) that bug testers can't catch everything in a game this massive, and considering that the game seems to run fine for several hours, then only need a few seconds to cool down, I'm willing to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure that if they came out with a patch on day one that fixed it, you'd complain because they didn't include it with the game when they clearly could have. But I digress.

TL;DR, bug testers aren't perfect, Bioware has proven themselves time and again, give them time to make a patch.

The point is that the job of the manufacturer is to make sure that when they say the product is ready that the product is indeed ready. It's not to talk about shiny stuff to adorn the main product while it is falling apart. The time for understanding that the team is composed of humans is over the moment the team says that the product is ready to be used and it turns out that they really needed four more months to actually make the product work.

HURF DURF the house is supposed to not have a leaking roof before people have moved in. You aren't supposed to release products before they actually work. The HDTV's are hardly important compared to the leaking roof don't you think?

ITT, we make terrible analogies that don't really apply in any way, shape or form because our argument isn't strong enough to stand on its own two feet.

Oh no, there's a memory leak that doesn't really kick in until you've been playing for hours, after which you can simply save, quit the game, wait a few seconds, and start back up where you were! Hardly gamebreaking, needing to take a break every few hours. I mean, really? You guys are complaining about a guy's beard occasionally clipping through his armor?

You do realize that memory leaks can cause the entire system to become unstable causing a total crash which can cause data loss of various kinds right? In some ways it is better if the game just exploded on you than if you had a memory leak. That goes for the guy or gal who has to find the leak and the player.

 

[Mylon]

I hate DLC. In the past, post-release content updates served as a means of keeping the game relevant past release date and encouraging customer loyalty.

I bought Oblivion because of Morrowind's free content updates, as an example. Sure, there were other factors, but that was one of them.

Nowadays, DLC is an excuse to release games with just the main story and leave out side quests to charge people extra. Not even charging for stuff developed after game release, but charging for stuff developed along with the game and released separately.

 

[hydrahh]

Remember the bug-fest that was Fallout 2? It took forever for that to get fixed, too. It is pretty hard to take into account the 8 bazillion different hardware combos a PC can have and make that mesh perfectly with the 8 bazillion different paths you can take through the game.

Give them some time, and things will get fixed.

 

[TsunamiWombat]

*Sigh*
I am sick of spoiled brats whining about how everything should have been in the game on its initial launch. I am quite happy for them to keep pumping out more DLC. They have released the toolset so fans can make their own missions, pump out more missions of their own and have already released 2 patches soo far trying to fix their mistakes and yet your people still fucking whine.
They are working on the issue. Shut up and enjoy it, or don't. Go play some generic rehashed FPS for all I care. I have not come across any of these broken bits so it is not my problem.

I completely agree. I have not come across these problems on the 360 and think this game looks great. Sure it has some problems, but I like it enough to overlook them and play the game. I can't wait for the DLC it will just make the game even better, and if they fix or are fixing the problems it has, so be it. A game will NEVER be perfect when it is first launched.

Really? Until consoles went online they nearly ALWAYS were.
Since consoles went online game makers have cut out QC staff and are focusing almost all their energy into making more to sell before fixing issues. I have a computer that runs everything under the sun just fine, including Crysis at max pretties, but this game crashes more than a drunk blind man on ice.

Plus, the game is already extraordinarily long.

RPG's in the 90's were typically longer than this, and they ran without all the bugs.

They also looked like Fallout 2. Shit changes.

Bioware has earned my trust.

I've also had NO crashing problems with this game AT ALL. I'm afraid it's your righ, bra, tinker with the advanced video.

 

[Shealladh]

RPG's in the 90's were typically longer than this, and they ran without all the bugs.

LOL and that's the reason I won't be buying this game, I'm still enjoying those unBUGGed games. It's a pity Bioware seem to have taken on EA skills with their new found system.

Well maybe when they realise that us old customers want just a bit more than the usual crap and get back to the old Bioware I might consider their games so until that happens, see you all in hell and we can discuss this more!

 

[Crimsane]

I bought Oblivion because of Morrowind's free content updates, as an example. Sure, there were other factors, but that was one of them.

What content updates are you referring to? The only updated content for Morrowind that I remember were the expansion packs (Bloodmoon/Tribunal), and those were certainly not free.

 

[shadow skill]

*Sigh*
I am sick of spoiled brats whining about how everything should have been in the game on its initial launch. I am quite happy for them to keep pumping out more DLC. They have released the toolset so fans can make their own missions, pump out more missions of their own and have already released 2 patches soo far trying to fix their mistakes and yet your people still fucking whine.
They are working on the issue. Shut up and enjoy it, or don't. Go play some generic rehashed FPS for all I care. I have not come across any of these broken bits so it is not my problem.

I completely agree. I have not come across these problems on the 360 and think this game looks great. Sure it has some problems, but I like it enough to overlook them and play the game. I can't wait for the DLC it will just make the game even better, and if they fix or are fixing the problems it has, so be it. A game will NEVER be perfect when it is first launched.

Really? Until consoles went online they nearly ALWAYS were.
Since consoles went online game makers have cut out QC staff and are focusing almost all their energy into making more to sell before fixing issues. I have a computer that runs everything under the sun just fine, including Crysis at max pretties, but this game crashes more than a drunk blind man on ice.

Plus, the game is already extraordinarily long.

RPG's in the 90's were typically longer than this, and they ran without all the bugs.

They also looked like Fallout 2. Shit changes.

I've always been in favor of just pushing these things back. I know how hard programming and debugging is (I hate debugging.) so I think the manufacturer should take the time to get rid of the game shattering bugs. I recommend all games should have a release date of "When it is done.' rather than day zero patches. I know that I have seen more easily discoverable game breaking bugs this console cycle than I did before. The two most spectacular ones were The Darkness and your being able to prevent yourself from finishing the game because you do a side quest prior to the beginning of the final chapter. Then there was the Orange Box on the 360 where they made it possible to break the game by disabling weapon switching by remapping the dpad to other things. The problem being that you could not map any buttons to the weapon select actions. Definitely not hard bugs to trigger.

 

[Vuljatar]

I have encountered no such problems, even running on a (comparatively) substandard machine.

And the clipping doesn't really seem that extreme to me...

 

[blxtnsq]

The obvious thing to do is not to buy games when they've just been released. The majority have glitches that won't even get noticed until the people who have bought them mention it. Wait a few months, download the patches and don't worry about it.

 

[Sneaklemming]

Somehow I'm not suprised to find a Game with the EA Logo churning out money grubbing DLC expansions while the game is still broken, but in the case of Dragon Age it's like they're trying to justify Piracy to anyone who's ever even thought of it. Dragon Age Origins is an overall great game but it's mired by a variety of issues, from unresolvable quests and buggy quest markers to major immersion breaking clipping issues (IE Bhelins Beard and pretty much all Plate Armor). Worst of all are the Memory Leaks, which is a PC only problem and seems to be most severe for DC Processors. Even if you set affinity every time you load up the game though there are still Memory Leaks during several Dialogue Scenes some of which only became an issue after the patch. So what's BioWare Doing? Creating a new pointless dungeon to sell us where we go kill a bunch of darkspawn and reclaim a set of armor that should have been in the initial launch.

It's split into difference teams. This was explained when the DLC launched with the Game. A separate team is dedicated to making DLC, that are seperate from the main team, and the patching teams.

 

[Mylon]

I bought Oblivion because of Morrowind's free content updates, as an example. Sure, there were other factors, but that was one of them.

What content updates are you referring to? The only updated content for Morrowind that I remember were the expansion packs (Bloodmoon/Tribunal), and those were certainly not free.

Bethesda released a nice castle area on it's own island. It felt pretty epic, slugging it out with a few NPCs versus hordes and hordes of skeletons. They also added a quest to collect what amounted to a teleportation item, different armor sets, some ambient sounds improvements, and special arrows. Nothing individually compelling as DLC, but as a free bonus, something which definitely added value to the game as a whole.

Consider, say... Oblivion's Horse armor. DLC? No thanks, I'll buy %4 of a new game instead. If it were free? Cool, now I can take a few screen shots of my horse and show it to my buddies to show them how awesome this game is.

 

[Valentine82]

And what part of "They have just released another patch so are obviously work on it" do you not get you fucking moron?

They only released the one patch and it hardly fixed anything and it's allegedly introduced a whole host of memory leak issues. What do you mean "another patch" when there's only the one by the way?

If you are going to swear at people at least have the balls to actually use the word. **** just makes you look like a dipshit.

Ohhhh how horrible I typed **** instead of Fuck.

And yes, you were whining because shit was not on the initial release. Get this. They are a company. They want money.

You're a fucking idiot with no reading comprehension what-so-ever.

 

[Valentine82]

I would rather have fewer bugs in the game than more extra missions.

*Sigh*
I am sick of spoiled brats whining about how everything should have been in the game on its initial launch. I am quite happy for them to keep pumping out more DLC. They have released the toolset so fans can make their own missions, pump out more missions of their own and have already released 2 patches soo far trying to fix their mistakes and yet your people still fucking whine.
They are working on the issue. Shut up and enjoy it, or don't. Go play some generic rehashed FPS for all I care. I have not come across any of these broken bits so it is not my problem.

WWAAAAHHH I'm whining about people complaining about a game not working properly..WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

You should quit while your ahead.

Quoted for turth. No one was whining about the DLC not being free you ****ing moron, it's a slap in the fact and it promotes pricay when they release tons of low content pay to play DLC but that's not the issue. The issue is that the game's broken and needs to be fixed more than it needs more DLC.

If you want to pirate the game, go ahead and do it. I didn't get any problem with my enjoyment of DA:O. Maybe your expectations are too high? BioWare actually made a game for PC first, and when they want to make some more money which they fucking deserve, you are going to ***** about what? Memory leaks? Yeah, there were some zone where the game started to act weird, so what? Was that the same level as a certain MurMurPurger with bouncing tits that took like long enough to get its poo together when everyone left? NO.

"Everything in DLCs should have been available at launch." I don't know what to make of this. Screw game developers who want to take their time to deliver more stuff for us to enjoy. You know what? You don't want the DLC, you want patches, and fixes? Good, just wait for BioWare to patch the game. Maybe during that time you will get to use the toolset and create some stuff I can play for free after you share it with the community. Mmkay?

You also clearly have piss poor reading comprehension. I did not complain that BioWare was selling DLC I've never once objected to that. I never once argued that BioWare shouldn't be trying to make money. What I argued is that the game has a variety of bugs and issues that need to be corrected and it's a bad move to release tons of DLC before trying to correct such bugs and issues.

Maybe you weren't effected by the Memory Leak because it doesn't effect all systems, maybe you have a single core instead of a cual core for instance. That doesn't change the fact that there are a variety of confirmed bugs in this game that effects everyone the same, you may not have noticed them but they're there. There are quest markers in places they don't belong (IE Spoiled Princess Barkeeper for Urn of Sacred Ashes), there are missing items (IE Ancient Elven Boots), there are stat bugs and spell effect bugs ect. Try disarming a trap then immediently move on to the next trap the moment you reach it, you'll see a bug that I actually like, but a bug non-the-less.

Don't argue against positions I never made as if I made them. That only makes you look like an idiot.

 

[joshthor]

*Sigh*
I am sick of spoiled brats whining about how everything should have been in the game on its initial launch. I am quite happy for them to keep pumping out more DLC. They have released the toolset so fans can make their own missions, pump out more missions of their own and have already released 2 patches soo far trying to fix their mistakes and yet your people still fucking whine.
They are working on the issue. Shut up and enjoy it, or don't. Go play some generic rehashed FPS for all I care. I have not come across any of these broken bits so it is not my problem.

I completely agree. I have not come across these problems on the 360 and think this game looks great. Sure it has some problems, but I like it enough to overlook them and play the game. I can't wait for the DLC it will just make the game even better, and if they fix or are fixing the problems it has, so be it. A game will NEVER be perfect when it is first launched.

Really? Until consoles went online they nearly ALWAYS were.
Since consoles went online game makers have cut out QC staff and are focusing almost all their energy into making more to sell before fixing issues. I have a computer that runs everything under the sun just fine, including Crysis at max pretties, but this game crashes more than a drunk blind man on ice.

Plus, the game is already extraordinarily long.

RPG's in the 90's were typically longer than this, and they ran without all the bugs.

games have gotten alot more complicated since the nineties, as has hardware. have you not noticed?

 

[Valentine82]

They only released the one patch and it hardly fixed anything and it's allegedly introduced a whole host of memory leak issues. What do you mean "another patch" when there's only the one by the way?

They have released two patches. Two do you get that? I said it several times. Do not blame me for you not knowing a single goddamn thing going on around you.

Oh where's the second one? On the BioWare Website there's only 1.01 listed, or at least there was only 1.01 listed at the time of my posting the OP.

Yeah and then you go and swear at me in a PM like a little ***** when you lack the balls to do it on the public forum. Real mature.

Yeah women should have balls... Ok missing the point. Look dip shit I only censored my swearing in my earlier post to be respectful of other readers. Since I see that the thread is already full of swearing there's no longer any reason for me to do so.

Yeah because all those people who agreed with me and said the exact same thing obviously can not read either huh? So either everyone else is an idiot or just you are. Yup, results are in. Its you.

I can't help it if stupid people respond without even reading or comprehending the original post. All I can say is if you think I'm whining about not getting free DLC on launch you're a fucking idiot. Not that many people agreed with you, and I doubt that those who did took the time to read the OP.

So shut up, stop quoting me and do not ever PM me again.

I'll respond to what you say to me if I want.

I do not care what you have to say.

You obviously care enough to corrispond with me.

You can not understand what you yourself have written

Seriously? Are you that fucking stupid that you're trying to argue that I misunderstood my own post?

Kindly die in a fire.

Ohhhh touchy. I think the world would be better off if you were to die in a fire, hopefully before passing on your genes.

 

[asinann]

*Sigh*
I am sick of spoiled brats whining about how everything should have been in the game on its initial launch. I am quite happy for them to keep pumping out more DLC. They have released the toolset so fans can make their own missions, pump out more missions of their own and have already released 2 patches soo far trying to fix their mistakes and yet your people still fucking whine.
They are working on the issue. Shut up and enjoy it, or don't. Go play some generic rehashed FPS for all I care. I have not come across any of these broken bits so it is not my problem.

I completely agree. I have not come across these problems on the 360 and think this game looks great. Sure it has some problems, but I like it enough to overlook them and play the game. I can't wait for the DLC it will just make the game even better, and if they fix or are fixing the problems it has, so be it. A game will NEVER be perfect when it is first launched.

Really? Until consoles went online they nearly ALWAYS were.
Since consoles went online game makers have cut out QC staff and are focusing almost all their energy into making more to sell before fixing issues. I have a computer that runs everything under the sun just fine, including Crysis at max pretties, but this game crashes more than a drunk blind man on ice.

Plus, the game is already extraordinarily long.

RPG's in the 90's were typically longer than this, and they ran without all the bugs.

games have gotten alot more complicated since the nineties, as has hardware. have you not noticed?

This excuses lack of story and game length how?

 

[thiosk]

The people at bioware who make content do not bugfix.

Two separate jobs.

Its likely they don't even code much, because tools for content creation have been released to users.

This is like getting indignant over the fact that the milk man isn't delivering pork cutlets or fucking your wife.

 

[thiosk]

RPG's in the 90's were typically longer than this, and they ran without all the bugs.

Are you high?

One of the most vaunted RPGs of the ninties, fallout 2, was essentially unplayable on release and took repeated patching to fix.

Baldurs gate and baldur's gate 2 required a series of important patches.

Maybe you are remembering Final Fantasy games for the SNES.