Easily offended people on sex

[smokeybearsb]

Not having sex isn't bad - it's just a different choice than what the majority picks.
Do I think kids should be taught about sex? Yes. I do. I took health class - it's completely inadequate.

And on the subject of Brave New World...I've read the book. I understand what you're trying to say, but the point of the book is that the society is still BAD. The things they're doing to these kids are BAD. Kind of went over your head there, didn't it?

I was going to start some kind of thread on BNW, as it's a great philosophical discussion, and boy I love those! The basic theme of that book was "Are these people truly happy?" And my answer is Yes.

 

[Lexodus]

It'd be a pointless activity for children that age, like telling kids that they should raise themselves and their siblings so they 'get the hang of parenting'.

What do you think DOLLS are for, you silly moo?

The Action Men and Transformers dolls showed me a hell of a lot about parenting. Even now when highly stressed by the toils of having children I whap out my laser cannons, fire off a few rounds, turn into a jet and fly away leaving only pain and misery in my wake. I like to think of myself as a model parent.

EXACTLY.

[/sarcasm]

No, you idiot. Those are action figures. The DOLLS are those stupid things that look like babies made out of plastic and piss on you if you hug them, or whatever selling point the individual model is going for.

 

[AnnihilaSean]

I'm thinking that now isn't the greatest of times to throw in a sex joke?

Regardless, I think it's a two way thing. If we stop treating sex as a complete taboo then it will become less of a big deal and it will happen more often. On the other hand, if we ignore it completely, stupid teenagers hoping to rebel against society and the government and whoever else they're angry at, will go into it completely unprepared and end up with 13 chavy children following them to Tesco every second day.

So really, you can't win.

 

[6PrinceofDarkness6]

JOKING ABOUT SEX IS SICK

SICK AND WRNG

 

[AnnihilaSean]

It'd be a pointless activity for children that age, like telling kids that they should raise themselves and their siblings so they 'get the hang of parenting'.

What do you think DOLLS are for, you silly moo?

The Action Men and Transformers dolls showed me a hell of a lot about parenting. Even now when highly stressed by the toils of having children I whap out my laser cannons, fire off a few rounds, turn into a jet and fly away leaving only pain and misery in my wake. I like to think of myself as a model parent.

EXACTLY.

[/sarcasm]

No, you idiot. Those are action figures. The DOLLS are those stupid things that look like babies made out of plastic and piss on you if you hug them, or whatever selling point the individual model is going for.

So your telling me I shouldn't have hugged my Optimus Prime? That's just mean. And, if you think about it they're exactly the same thing.

And I'd appreciate it if I wasn't called an idiot for simply trying to inject some humor. Clearly fun isn't welcomed by someone people who refer to each other as a 'moo'. (seriously though, what does that even mean?)

 

[smokeybearsb]

I'm thinking that now isn't the greatest of times to throw in a sex joke?

Regardless, I think it's a two way thing. If we stop treating sex as a complete taboo then it will become less of a big deal and it will happen more often. On the other hand, if we ignore it completely, stupid teenagers hoping to rebel against society and the government and whoever else they're angry at, will go into it completely unprepared and end up with 13 chavy children following them to Tesco every second day.

So really, you can't win.

That's EXACTLY what I was going to say! You bastard

 

[GothmogII]

Not having sex isn't bad - it's just a different choice than what the majority picks.
Do I think kids should be taught about sex? Yes. I do. I took health class - it's completely inadequate.

This.

Especially considering right now the world is overpopulated as it is. We could do with more people abstaining from procreation and sex in general. Max is right, most people aren't having sex to improve the species. Most people aren't even having sex to procreate. They're doing it out of boredom, pleasure, or some other inadequate reason. I DO agree that sex ed should be more cohesive, though. They teach you nothing in those classes (or they didn't the last time I had to sit through one).

More on the original topic of the post, though. Sex jokes are not really mature. It's something you joke about in high school and then a bit in college, but try cracking one to adults in the workplace. Most of the time, you're gonna find yourself ostracized. There's a time and a place for everything. And there are some topics that should be reserved for private conversations. Sex, politics, and religion are the big three, since you never know who you're offending.

And on the subject of Brave New World...I've read the book. I understand what you're trying to say, but the point of the book is that the society is still BAD. The things they're doing to these kids are BAD. Kind of went over your head there, didn't it?

Actually, while personally I identified many of the elements presented in that book as what one could be considered 'bad': the rampant conformity, the way 'outsiders' were treated, and the generally unpleasant nature of status and place in that society.

The sex and drugs thing? No, hedonism is only such an awful thing as we imagine it to be because of the awful consequences. In real life, you get STD's, you get pregnant, you get other people pregnant, there's violence, you can die from overdosing on drugs or will otherwise get messed up.

In the book there are almost none of these things, no conflict, no STDs, no deadly drugs (though arguably the general sedated state of the populace is a negative). Their society was a purely hedonistic one, however, what I got from it was that that kind of society was bad for us, not that it was bad for the earth as depicted in the story. It worked for them, most of them...and in the end those people who didn't fit in, the characters who rallied against it -still- lost and the status quo was upheld. There's not really a happy ending there.

 

[ExaltedK9]

That is not fucking okay. If some random chick came up to me at any age and wanted to mess around, I would strangle her to death.

Sir, I'm afraid I'll have to revoke your Man Certificate.

So if a really overweight, slutty, STD-covered, old woman who once was a man offered you sex, you would automatically say, 'Hell yeah!'?

But I don't call this type of women "chicks". I admit, I'm picky, but I don't think I would say no to a decently looking girl if she asked for it.

Anyway I agree that people have really fucked up approach to sex. (In a huge part religion is to blame) They either almost deny it's existence or obcenicly indulge in it. Sex is a big deal, but that doesn't mean we have to act like children about it.

I'm not entirely sure wich religion your talking back, But since you can't seem to tell me either I would probably say your uninformed. Nobody I know (whos christian)denies it's existence (don't be stupid) and are able to talk openly about it. There is a time and place. One thing that pisses me off is people that will blurt their sexual history at you at the drop of a hat. And people who feel they need to make some sort of refference to sex every other sentence. I know it's natural, and beautiful, and insures the species survival. But c'mon lets be mature about it eh?

 

[AnnihilaSean]

I'm thinking that now isn't the greatest of times to throw in a sex joke?

Regardless, I think it's a two way thing. If we stop treating sex as a complete taboo then it will become less of a big deal and it will happen more often. On the other hand, if we ignore it completely, stupid teenagers hoping to rebel against society and the government and whoever else they're angry at, will go into it completely unprepared and end up with 13 chavy children following them to Tesco every second day.

So really, you can't win.

That's EXACTLY what I was going to say! You bastard

When you've got Fingers of Fury like me, you generally end up as a bastard

 

[Pimppeter2]

I love making sex jokes, especially awkward ones

 

[Ultrajoe]

All discussion on the subject matter aside, I think you really, really missed the point of 'Brave New World'. As in, using 1984 as a guide to government missing the point, missing the point like playing Bioshock and then deciding to build rapture.

That said, our current systems of sexual education aren't so bad on their own. What makes the system so fucked up is the conjunction with the media that kids get alongside it. The two mesh together to create an environment where they are told everyone is having sex (Avoid peer pressure, because everyone is doing it and will tell you to do it. The message? 'Everyone is doing it'.) and that sex is as bad as drugs. They teach drug awareness and condom use in the same class for gods sake, as if the things were a packet of cocaine!

Combine that with media, movies and the internet that pushes sex in absolute abundance and only one in one hundred kids come out of it with the 'right' attitude to sex.

The fact is that not everybody should start pursuing sex at the same time. Marketing media to entire generations and teaching sex to them on such an impersonal, unfocused level breeds half of the polulation with a crippling fear/dislike of sex and the other half into people who see no significance in the event at all. It hits both boys and girls just as hard, and is ironically specialised at delivering the worst ideas to each gender

It needs to be handled personally, when the child is ready, and in a manner that describes it as what it is, not another thing that can be forced on you at parties.

Besides, sex fucking rocks.

 

[smokeybearsb]

Not having sex isn't bad - it's just a different choice than what the majority picks.
Do I think kids should be taught about sex? Yes. I do. I took health class - it's completely inadequate.

*snip*

Actually, while personally I identified many of the elements presented in that book as what one could be considered 'bad': the rampant conformity, the way 'outsiders' were treated, and the generally unpleasant nature of status and place in that society.

The sex and drugs thing? No, hedonism is only such an awful thing as we imagine it to be because of the awful consequences. In real life, you get STD's, you get pregnant, you get other people pregnant, there's violence, you can die from overdosing on drugs or will otherwise get messed up.

In the book there are almost none of these things, no conflict, no STDs, no deadly drugs (though arguably the general sedated state of the populace is a negative). Their society was a purely hedonistic one, however, what I got from it was that that kind of society was bad for us, not that it was bad for the earth as depicted in the story. It worked for them, most of them...and in the end those people who didn't fit in, the characters who rallied against it -still- lost and the status quo was upheld. There's not really a happy ending there.

I'm not saying we should all engage in promiscuity; we do however need to be more casual. As AnnhilaSeann said and I was GOING TO say, this might be the reason there are more teenagers rebelling against parents and having sex. Might be the reason there are so many pregnancies and such a fuss about everything.
If we take the approach of being okay with it, telling kids it's natural and such, I think that would at least be better (I don't want to say it would cure all the world's problems) approach then sheltering them from it. The way I envisioned it, it was a parent teaching a kid that if you be safe with it and do the right things (kind of like a parent teaching a kid about alcohol) then blah blah blah sex is amazing. And 10 year-olds won't have to go on the internet for answers. Because that solves everything.

 

[AnnihilaSean]

Not having sex isn't bad - it's just a different choice than what the majority picks.
Do I think kids should be taught about sex? Yes. I do. I took health class - it's completely inadequate.

*snip*

Actually, while personally I identified many of the elements presented in that book as what one could be considered 'bad': the rampant conformity, the way 'outsiders' were treated, and the generally unpleasant nature of status and place in that society.

The sex and drugs thing? No, hedonism is only such an awful thing as we imagine it to be because of the awful consequences. In real life, you get STD's, you get pregnant, you get other people pregnant, there's violence, you can die from overdosing on drugs or will otherwise get messed up.

In the book there are almost none of these things, no conflict, no STDs, no deadly drugs (though arguably the general sedated state of the populace is a negative). Their society was a purely hedonistic one, however, what I got from it was that that kind of society was bad for us, not that it was bad for the earth as depicted in the story. It worked for them, most of them...and in the end those people who didn't fit in, the characters who rallied against it -still- lost and the status quo was upheld. There's not really a happy ending there.

I'm not saying we should all engage in promiscuity; we do however need to be more casual. As AnnhilaSeann said and I was GOING TO say, this might be the reason there are more teenagers rebelling against parents and having sex. Might be the reason there are so many pregnancies and such a fuss about everything.
If we take the approach of being okay with it, telling kids it's natural and such, I think that would at least be better (I don't want to say it would cure all the world's problems) approach then sheltering them from it. The way I envisioned it, it was a parent teaching a kid that if you be safe with it and do the right things (kind of like a parent teaching a kid about alcohol) then blah blah blah sex is amazing. And 10 year-olds won't have to go on the internet for answers. Because that solves everything.

You are forgeting of course that, seriousness aside, the internet can provide some truly hilarious answers. A man once tried to convince me that it was possible to impregnate a woman by simply looking at her naked. And that's family entertainment that you just can't beat.

 

[Agayek]

I read a book called Brave New World (which I guess I can fit into this thread) which is an incredible read. The book is about a dystopia in which people are genetically engineered and how exactly they are made depends on their social caste. The children are encouraged to engage in "erotic play." Basically, when the children are five, they are encouraged to explore their and the opposite sex's bodies. The book described a whole group of them running around doing this. One girl came back crying, saying that this boy would not engage in it, and he was sent somewhere for mental conditioning. For one, I would have loved to do this when I was five. Second, it would have answered a lot of questions instead of the internet. Also, this to me is start. It seems a better way of conducting things then making people sensitive about the subject.

While I agree with you on this, I find it funny that you are pulling support for your argument from a book that argues against such a society.

 

[smokeybearsb]

You are forgeting of course that, seriousness aside, the internet can provide some truly hilarious answers. A man once tried to convince me that it was possible to impregnate a woman by simply looking at her naked. And that's family entertainment that you just can't beat.

That is damn funny. If only I could remember stuff that people convinced me of when I was a kid. Hopefully that didn't work its way into my normal life.

I read a book called Brave New World (which I guess I can fit into this thread) which is an incredible read.

You do realize that the reason they were conditioned into massive sex play was because it desensitized them to sex and thus made them less likely to want to pair bond with each other and thus as individuals on their own, made them easier to control.

It took a sexual barbarian who wasn't brought up in this way to understand concepts like love.

There is nothing wrong with not being a pig when it comes to sex and showing a little respect.

I read a book called Brave New World (which I guess I can fit into this thread) which is an incredible read. The book is about a dystopia in which people are genetically engineered and how exactly they are made depends on their social caste. The children are encouraged to engage in "erotic play." Basically, when the children are five, they are encouraged to explore their and the opposite sex's bodies. The book described a whole group of them running around doing this. One girl came back crying, saying that this boy would not engage in it, and he was sent somewhere for mental conditioning. For one, I would have loved to do this when I was five. Second, it would have answered a lot of questions instead of the internet. Also, this to me is start. It seems a better way of conducting things then making people sensitive about the subject.

While I agree with you on this, I find it funny that you are pulling support for your argument from a book that argues against such a society.

This is true. I was merely using it as a way to explain my viewpoint better. Again, I'm not endorsing being a savage (John the Savage ha.ha.ha.) when it comes to sex, I am simply trying to say we need to be more comfortable and open about something so essential and natural.

 

[TikiShades]

It'd be a pointless activity for children that age, like telling kids that they should raise themselves and their siblings so they 'get the hang of parenting'.

What do you think DOLLS are for, you silly moo?

The Action Men and Transformers dolls showed me a hell of a lot about parenting. Even now when highly stressed by the toils of having children I whap out my laser cannons, fire off a few rounds, turn into a jet and fly away leaving only pain and misery in my wake. I like to think of myself as a model parent.

EXACTLY.

[/sarcasm]

No, you idiot. Those are action figures. The DOLLS are those stupid things that look like babies made out of plastic and piss on you if you hug them, or whatever selling point the individual model is going for.

So your telling me I shouldn't have hugged my Optimus Prime? That's just mean. And, if you think about it they're exactly the same thing.

And I'd appreciate it if I wasn't called an idiot for simply trying to inject some humor. Clearly fun isn't welcomed by someone people who refer to each other as a 'moo'. (seriously though, what does that even mean?)

Yeah, I still change my G.I. Joe's diapers.

 

[Kogarian]

My friend's little brother told us about this misinformed seventh grader he goes to school with. The kid thought the boobs contained the ovaries, and that women gave birth to babies out their rectum.

Needless to say, the kid gets picked on.

 

[Bagaloo]

That said, our current systems sexual education aren't so bad on it's own. What makes the system so fucked up is the conjunction with the media that kids get alongside it. The two mesh together to create an environment where they are told everyone is having sex (Avoid peer pressure, because everyone is doing it and will tell you to do it. The message? 'Everyone is doing it'.) and that sex is as bad as drugs. They teach drug awareness and condom use in the same class for gods sake, as if the things were a packet of cocaine!

Combine that with media, movies and the internet that pushes sex in absolute abundance and only one in one hundred kids come out of it with the 'right' attitude to sex.

The fact is that not everybody should start pursuing sex at the same time. Marketing media to entire generations and teaching sex to them on such an impersonal, unfocused level breeds half of the polulation with a crippling fear/dislike of sex and the other half into people who see no significance in the event at all. It hits both boys and girls just as hard, and is ironically specialised at delivering the worst ideas to each gender

It needs to be handled personally, when the child is ready, and in a manner that describes it as what it is, not another thing that can be forced on you at parties.

You win.
Nothing else I really need to add to this...great job