Easily offended people on sex

[Kogarian]

people who refer to each other as a 'moo'. (seriously though, what does that even mean?)

Hell, I'm still trying to figure that out. Did I get called a cow?

 

[Archaon6044]

my feelings are that humour should touch everything. if you can't luagh, then you might as well give up. sometimes luaghing is the only thing that keeps me sane. for results, use liberal amounts of Monty Python

 

[AnnihilaSean]

people who refer to each other as a 'moo'. (seriously though, what does that even mean?)

Hell, I'm still trying to figure that out. Did I get called a cow?

Possibly. Whether you should be offended or not I can't tell. I mean, I quite like cows. They give me milk and... stuff.

 

[Biek]

I'm not saying I want everybody to randomly have sex with everybody, I just think people should be way more comfortable with it.

It sounds like a poor excuse pedophiles use to try and justify their intolerable behaviour.

 

[Thanatos34]

That said, our current systems sexual education aren't so bad on it's own. What makes the system so fucked up is the conjunction with the media that kids get alongside it. The two mesh together to create an environment where they are told everyone is having sex (Avoid peer pressure, because everyone is doing it and will tell you to do it. The message? 'Everyone is doing it'.) and that sex is as bad as drugs. They teach drug awareness and condom use in the same class for gods sake, as if the things were a packet of cocaine!

Combine that with media, movies and the internet that pushes sex in absolute abundance and only one in one hundred kids come out of it with the 'right' attitude to sex.

The fact is that not everybody should start pursuing sex at the same time. Marketing media to entire generations and teaching sex to them on such an impersonal, unfocused level breeds half of the polulation with a crippling fear/dislike of sex and the other half into people who see no significance in the event at all. It hits both boys and girls just as hard, and is ironically specialised at delivering the worst ideas to each gender

It needs to be handled personally, when the child is ready, and in a manner that describes it as what it is, not another thing that can be forced on you at parties.

You win.
Nothing else I really need to add to this...great job

Seconded. This explanation is completely on target.

 

[Kogarian]

people who refer to each other as a 'moo'. (seriously though, what does that even mean?)

Hell, I'm still trying to figure that out. Did I get called a cow?

Possibly. Whether you should be offended or not I can't tell. I mean, I quite like cows. They give me milk and... stuff.

...hamburgers, leather belts, fertilizers, cute baby calfs, gas, et cetera.

Heck, cows could even give us sex, if an individual was into that kind of stuff (I figured we'd have to keep the cow conversation on the subject of offending people with sex talk, as not to derail the topic).

 

[Ultrajoe]

You win.
Nothing else I really need to add to this...great job

Seconded. This explanation is completely on target.

My utter fail of a first sentence ruins it somewhat. I'm editing it now, I can't believe I didn't spot that.

 

[A random person]

I quite agree with you, even with the children playing around part. Sex is a natural thing (and not a terrible natural thing like volcanoes blowing up or viruses) and children shouldn't be conditioned to be prudish about it, only to not be overly intrusive or rape people. Things would be better off if we were ACTUALLY sexually open (the pushing of sex in mainstream culture and with teens just demonstrates how repressed we are and how absurdly taboo sex is) and didn't have the agenda of enforcing false notions of innocence. If there weren't a massive taboo, people probably would be more mature about sex.

Also:

People are way to easily offended. Sex is a natural thing, whereas killing someone is not. Yet, movies can show a few thousand heads explode and get PG-13, but one sex scene and it's R. Almost everyone will have sex in their lifetime, but few people will kill someone. One of the many paradoxes of society.

QFT. Seriously, what's up with people violently killing each other being more acceptable than people acting on their natural urge to reproduce? That fails if you're judging on the grounds that viewers will repeat what they see and based on how immoral an action is.

 

[DreadfulSorry]

There is nothing wrong with not being a pig when it comes to sex and showing a little respect.

Amen.

Look, I am not the least bit shy when it comes to sex, but that doesn't mean I go around flaunting it everywhere and making lewd comments and jokes all the time. Most of the time, such jokes would be horrendously inappropriate, and just downright uncalled for. I'm not above a good BJ joke now and then, but there's a time and a place.

 

[Ultrajoe]

I quite agree with you, even with the children playing around part. Sex is a natural thing (and not a terrible natural thing like volcanoes blowing up or viruses) and children shouldn't be conditioned to be prudish about it, only to not be overly intrusive or rape people. Things would be better off if we were ACTUALLY sexually open (the pushing of sex in mainstream culture and with teens just demonstrates how repressed we are and how absurdly taboo sex is) and didn't have the agenda of enforcing false notions of innocence. If there weren't a massive taboo, people probably would be more mature about sex.

You're falling into the same trap as the people who run the current system. You can't say 'Solution [X] is correct', because what's wrong with the current system is that it assumes people all progress at the same rate and think/feel in the same way. Lowering the age of education and the taboo on sex doesn't change the one fact that renders such solutions bunk:

Sex is personal. You can't get more personal.

Teaching it off a syllabus doesn't account for the billions of factors that make up each person and their minds. Learning about sex, especially if you have been misled about it beforehand, can be shocking and confronting. Relationships change, your body (your freakin' body! you!) flips out and the way your brain chemistry works goes nuts.

Try to apply a blanket education program and 'Always use a condom!' does shit all for anyone, and pushing sex on people earlier and more in a more relaxed manner won't bring the personal factor back into the equation. Parents, friends, family and mentors should teach a person about sex, people who know the child and can understand what they need to/should hear.

Some people aren't ready, and this is nothing bad or unnatural, for a long time. Some people are ready very early. Some people resent being ready, or not. Some people are scared shitless that their chest suddenly weighs more and their genitals are attacking them/coming alive. A middle-aged woman with a couple of VCR tapes does not make the situation more understandable, it sends the message: Here is how you should treat the disease you have.

It's a bad message, it's a bad result, and until the personal level of sex is restored, it will continue unabated. Having kids running around naked doesn't help, because you'll always get the one kid who doesn't want to play, and then you need to send him for mental conditioning. Brave New World was a cautionary tale, because people aren't rolled off a production line exactly the same...

 

[SmartIdiot]

Get them to work in a hard kitchen. They'll soon desensitize to it. Chefs are filthy minded fuckers you know...

 

[smokeybearsb]

I'm not saying I want everybody to randomly have sex with everybody, I just think people should be way more comfortable with it.

It sounds like a poor excuse pedophiles use to try and justify their intolerable behaviour.

I am not a pedophile. ...which reminds me of this Dimitri Martin bit which goes something like this: I think it's okay to like kids, but it gets a little weird when you start specifying ages. "I like 12 year olds." "...what are you, 13? Get the heck outta here."

 

[Iron Mal]

JOKING ABOUT SEX IS SICK

SICK AND WRNG

This is a strange view to me, sex (and the enjoyment of it) is a perfectly natural thing (hence the fact we experience pleasure when we do it, it's nature's way of 'bribing' us into doing the horizontal monster mash) so I fail to see what exactly is sick and wrong about sex (and if there's nothing wrong with it then taking a light hearted view and joking around about it shouldn't be wrong either).

Why do we view something that's perfectly natural as 'sick and wrong?', wouldn't that be a...unnatural and perverse belief in itself? (technically you're getting in nature's way).

Some of you have tried to throw up the 'we don't need sex, we're better than that' arguement but we should face facts and admit that in the end we're essentially chimps with shoes and an ego problem, one day we got bored of the usual routine of fighting over meat, shagging each other from dusk til dawn and lazing in the sun so we decided to create God, society and the Playstation to mix it up a bit (we became bored of being happy with ourselves a long time ago so we also took up self loathing and self pity as a species as well).

 

[Brotherofwill]

Like some people said before: I think you didn't quite use the example of 'Brave New World' correctly.

From what I can remember the people in the book have lots of sex and it's perfectly natural. So far so good. The main conflict arises when the protagonist realizes that his friend (I forgot both their names) is unable to have a serious relationship. It seems that the book is saying that people are so desensitized to sex that it becomes a mere leisure activity and loses all of the personal and intimate aspect. The girl just wants to have sex with him,and even though he likes it there is a strong longing for something more. So it's almost a bit ironic that you used this book as an example.

 

[A random person]

I quite agree with you, even with the children playing around part. Sex is a natural thing (and not a terrible natural thing like volcanoes blowing up or viruses) and children shouldn't be conditioned to be prudish about it, only to not be overly intrusive or rape people. Things would be better off if we were ACTUALLY sexually open (the pushing of sex in mainstream culture and with teens just demonstrates how repressed we are and how absurdly taboo sex is) and didn't have the agenda of enforcing false notions of innocence. If there weren't a massive taboo, people probably would be more mature about sex.

You're falling into the same trap as the people who run the current system. You can't say 'Solution [X] is correct', because what's wrong with the current system is that it assumes people all progress at the same rate and think/feel in the same way. Lowering the age of education and the taboo on sex doesn't change the one fact that renders such solutions bunk:

Sex is personal. You can't get more personal.

Teaching it off a syllabus doesn't account for the billions of factors that make up each person and their minds. Learning about sex, especially if you have been misled about it beforehand, can be shocking and confronting. Relationships change, your body (your freakin' body! you!) flips out and the way your brain chemistry works goes nuts.

Try to apply a blanket education program and 'Always use a condom!' does shit all for anyone, and pushing sex on people earlier and more in a more relaxed manner won't bring the personal factor back into the equation. Parents, friends, family and mentors should teach a person about sex, people who know the child and can understand what they need to/should hear.

Some people aren't ready, and this is nothing bad or unnatural, for a long time. Some people are ready very early. Some people resent being ready, or not. Some people are scared shitless that their chest suddenly weighs more and their genitals are attacking them/coming alive. A middle-aged woman with a couple of VCR tapes does not make the situation more understandable, it sends the message: Here is how you should treat the disease you have.

It's a bad message, it's a bad result, and until the personal level of sex is restored, it will continue unabated. Having kids running around naked doesn't help, because you'll always get the one kid who doesn't want to play, and then you need to send him for mental conditioning. Brave New World was a cautionary tale, because people aren't rolled off a production line exactly the same...

Good point, not all people are the same. I do still think sex should be less taboo, but you are right that, like most things but especially this, you can't have a blanket solution. And it seems we can both agree that sex being treated in an institutional way doesn't help things at all. It should be personal, and it should be less taboo, as the taboo approach to sex is forced and also falls into the trap you mentioned. My view was openness for all kinds, rather shy about sex or wanting to dive in.

 

[Slate Paker]

I'm not saying I want everybody to randomly have sex with everybody, I just think people should be way more comfortable with it.

Why? Sex is disgusting. I may have a touch of OCD, but the sweat and the fluids and the ick just creep me right the hell out.
And what's worse is the idea that the person you're having sex with has probably had sex with other people.

Nnnno. The entire process makes me want to take a bleach shower.
Then vomit.
Then shower again because vomit is icky too.

That is not fucking okay. If some random chick came up to me at any age and wanted to mess around, I would strangle her to death.

Sir, I'm afraid I'll have to revoke your Man Certificate.

Yeah, you go right ahead and try.
Let me just finish cutting up this hooker, then we can talk.

boy, your gonna die a virgin

 

[IamSARAhearMYgrr]

I am incredibly open about my feelings actually. I'm a bit too open for most of my friends. But I enjoy speaking with people about what's on my mind. If sex is on my mind I'll talk about sex. No biggie. I hate that people try to shelter themselves and others from the real world!

 

[quiet_samurai]

It's not like that everywhere in the world, mostly just in countries whose politics are founded solely on religion (Middle East, and some Asian countries) oh and America. Europeans and Latin America are very open about their sexuality, and have no problem with it... that's because there is no problem with it. America (at least in the media and in the bible belt) is still affected by the Puritan belief that was practiced by the first settelers, but violence is cool though.

Look at Mass Effect, not only do you cruise the galaxy killing humans, you also go around killing other intelligent beings as well. Nobody cares about this, but the whole love scene was all anyone focused on. And frankly I get more of a boner watching the cooking channel or some of the shows on FX than I did when the love scene happend. People are just prudes, but a big thing is that sex is meant for mature people and not kids, and I think it just boils down to people not wanting theur children growing up.

 

[high_castle]

Not having sex isn't bad - it's just a different choice than what the majority picks.
Do I think kids should be taught about sex? Yes. I do. I took health class - it's completely inadequate.

And on the subject of Brave New World...I've read the book. I understand what you're trying to say, but the point of the book is that the society is still BAD. The things they're doing to these kids are BAD. Kind of went over your head there, didn't it?

I was going to start some kind of thread on BNW, as it's a great philosophical discussion, and boy I love those! The basic theme of that book was "Are these people truly happy?" And my answer is Yes.

I gotta disagree with you on that one. Not everyone was happy. Some people just weren't aware of anything. Even the author stated that while Orwell feared a world in which books were banned, he feared one in which no books had to be. Because no one read. No one thought. No one cared. A society in such a state of apathy is not a happy one. Those people weren't happy. They weren't anyone. And the only people who tried to change things failed. It's a DYSTOPIA and not a utopia for a reason. This isn't a society to be emulated, it's a society to be feared. But perhaps a topic for another thread?

 

[smokeybearsb]

Brave New World is an amazing book. I can see the irony of me using it as an example but making sure people are comfortable with sex doesn't guarantee that they will be utterly promiscuous, albeit more comfortable. I knew that the people were comfortable I just really wanted it to fit in somewhere, that example worked.