England Jails Homophobes

[TheVioletBandit]

Why can't the U

Why can't the US do this to the WBC?

Because we don't jail people for unpopular opinions like the "free" nations of Europe do.

I for one hope we never do.

 

[CounterReproductive]

Any person living in the United Kingdom should have the right to believe in whichever religion he wants to without prejudice or judgement by other persons unless as part of that religious belief they call for/demand/preach that a section of society or group of individuals different to them should be murdered or killed 'because' the scriptures forbid it.

This is fuckwittery of the highest order and They and the people who supported them should be ostracised by the rest of the muslim community and hopefully they will be getting suprise buttsecks in jail.



Personally , I think that if you think your religious belief alows you to call for the death or destruction of another human being then you should be taken to a public place and whipped for your belief. Afterwards you can try to do it again if you want.

 

[Fasckira]

but they were campaigning for gay people to be legally executed

They were not in the slightest, they were campaigning for gay people to be killed on religious grounds. A flyer of a man burning alive isn't exactly crying out "legal execution".

There is no room for religion in modern law system and its part of the reason why theres all this tension mounting in the UK at the moment because such a large chunk of fundamentalists are pushing to impose their own religious laws into the UK.

 

[Nikolaz72]

This is what happens when you let the government regulate what people can and can't say.

It's all fun and games until suddenly YOUR ideology becomes one of the unacceptable ones. Enjoy your future jail time for doing nothing except speaking your mind.

I don't care what you do, if you use your freedom to say that another group in the same society should be killed, whatever that group may be, you don't deserve your freedom.
If you honestly think this is correct, I fear for whatever other values you may have.

I think murderers should be executed. So I deserve to go to jail because of my opinion?

Yeah, I think you're the one who belongs in a jail (actually, a mental asylum would be more fitting). Ditto for the values, though instead of fear you'd probably just disgust me.

So hypocritical. You have no problem taking away the freedom of people who disagree with you, but can't see why that's basically setting the groundwork that makes it okay for them to do the same.

Murderers (Commited a crime)
Homophobes (Commited a crime)

This is your logic, you are comparing death sentence to murderers with death sentence to Homophobes, you are actively saying that it is equal ideas. And that is why 'you' belong in whatever place you blieve he belongs in.

Homophobes have not commited a crime, being gay is not equal to having killed someone.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

You think it's awesome because they are locking up people you disagree with. Would your tone change if they started locking up people who were bigoted towards a group you also hold hatred for?

People always pull this out and i honestly start getting annoyed. It has nothing to do with if i agree or disagree. At all. I would be VERY unhappy if people who disagreed with me were imprisoned for it. If they were not inciting the murder and execution of a thousand people.

Should i get arrested for standing in public and calling for the brutal torture and destruction of all children. Describing the methods used (burning ect). Yes. Thats hideous. You are free to disagree with me unless you cross these lines: Your views call for the killing, abuse, or discrimination against innocent people, usually in large numbers. This view isnt a sound view, it isnt an opposing view. Its a potential war crime.

I hate the WBC. I think they SHOULD be arrested. Dont get me wrong if they wanna preach in church about how much they hate everyone thats fine. But they dont. They hunt down dead and living gay people. Like fucking animals. To attack them. Imagine living a life where you KNOW that simply for something about you a group exists to HUNT YOU DOWN and call for your murder or ruin your funeral. It sounds like the early stages of nazi germany. Not that America is becoming it, far from it, im just saying that we have a right to live our lives free from the fear of being hunted like animals and abused, a right violated by this country in the past. Its an important right. Its insane. And cruel to the extreme. Anyone who practices this should be arrested.

The idea is that your views can disagree with me entirely. Thats fine. I dont want anyone to be arrested for privately discussing anything, or publicly voicing an opposing view. Thats fine. My issues only arise when these views call for warcrime like atrocities or make a person feel hunted and hated for their lifestyle. Indrectly or not gay people are being punished for their life style. Isnt a fundamental freedom to persure happiness? How can anyone persue happiness knowing a group of people cry for their BLOOD. Its a MASSIVE difference. Disliking gays, saying they shouldnt have some rights, terrible but fine. Mass executions though, that toes the line, inciting violence and hatred toward innocent civilians is insane and a dangerous idea. This doesnt apply to ANYTHING else but ideas that call for mass murder or make a person feel hunted and for their lifestyle.

Discuss privately and discuss in groups. Thinking should never be illegal. Talking shouldnt either to be honest. But calling for the deaths of someone publicly is different and should be.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

You think it's awesome because they are locking up people you disagree with. Would your tone change if they started locking up people who were bigoted towards a group you also hold hatred for?

People always pull this out and i honestly start getting annoyed. It has nothing to do with if i agree or disagree. At all. I would be VERY unhappy if people who disagreed with me were imprisoned for it. If they were not inciting the murder and execution of a thousand people.

Should i get arrested for standing in public and calling for the brutal torture and destruction of all children. Describing the methods used (burning ect). Yes. Thats hideous. You are free to disagree with me unless you cross these lines: Your views call for the killing, abuse, or discrimination against innocent people, usually in large numbers. This view isnt a sound view, it isnt an opposing view. Its a potential war crime.

I hate the WBC. I think they SHOULD be arrested. Dont get me wrong if they wanna preach in church about how much they hate everyone thats fine. But they dont. They hunt down dead and living gay people. Like fucking animals. To attack them. Imagine living a life where you KNOW that simply for something about you a group exists to HUNT YOU DOWN and call for your murder or ruin your funeral. It sounds like the early stages of nazi germany. Not that America is becoming it, far from it, im just saying that we have a right to live our lives free from the fear of being hunted like animals and abused, a right violated by this country in the past. Its an important right. Its insane. And cruel to the extreme. Anyone who practices this should be arrested.

The idea is that your views can disagree with me entirely. Thats fine. I dont want anyone to be arrested for privately discussing anything, or publicly voicing an opposing view. Thats fine. My issues only arise when these views call for warcrime like atrocities or make a person feel hunted and hated for their lifestyle. Indrectly or not gay people are being punished for their life style. Isnt a fundamental freedom to persure happiness? How can anyone persue happiness knowing a group of people cry for their BLOOD. Its a MASSIVE difference. Disliking gays, saying they shouldnt have some rights, terrible but fine. Mass executions though, that toes the line, inciting violence and hatred toward innocent civilians is insane and a dangerous idea. This doesnt apply to ANYTHING else but ideas that call for mass murder or make a person feel hunted and for their lifestyle.

Then it's a good thing you live in the U.K. and not the U.S.A.

That kind of rhymes.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

SNIPThen it's a good thing you live in the U.K. and not the U.S.A.

That kind of rhymes.

It is. Isnt it? I just get tired of the fallacious arguement that id sit back and watch all opposing views be arrested. Not so. Only calls murder. Mass murder. Of innocent men women and children. I think thats understandable enough.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

SNIPThen it's a good thing you live in the U.K. and not the U.S.A.

That kind of rhymes.

It is. Isnt it? I just get tired of the fallacious arguement that id sit back and watch all opposing views be arrested. Not so. Only calls murder. Mass murder. Of innocent men women and children. I think thats understandable enough.

Legally executions aren't murder.

 

[TheVioletBandit]

Dear Americans,

Please notice that the majority of British people in this thread support the arrest of these terrorists. Stop acting like 'MURRICAH knows best and that the US constitution should apply to everyone.

Sincerely,
the rest of the world.

I'm an American and I fully support and encourage the British ruining their country in any manner which they see fit. I do not believe that the US constitution applies to the British nor would I ever ever want it too. The British should feel free to jail whoever they want, for whatever they want. Hell, make a game of it. Lastly, although I am not a world representative such as yourself I hope you still take my opinion into consideration when applying beliefs to "MURRICAH".

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

Dear Americans,

Please notice that the majority of British people in this thread support the arrest of these terrorists. Stop acting like 'MURRICAH knows best and that the US constitution should apply to everyone.

Sincerely,
the rest of the world.

I'm an American and I fully support and encourage the British ruining their country in any manner which they see fit. I do not believe that the US constitution applies to the British nor would I ever ever want it too. The British should feel free to jail whoever they want, for whatever they want. Hell, make a game of it. Lastly, although I am not a world representative such as yourself I hope you still take my opinion into consideration when applying beliefs to "MURRICAH".

That was one hell of a well worded and intelligent retort.

It was also hilarious, lol.

+1

 

[GraveeKing]

-snip- You enjoy these laws when they put people away who have views you think are 'nasty' but when the tables are turned and suddenly the government thinks your views are the nasty ones, how are you going to feel about that?

I have terrible views already - but I'm not going to go throwing them about in public. I'm not going to hurt anyone with my thoughts. Nor am I going to inspire hatred - the point of these laws is to keep people from inspiring hatred - if you don't act on extreme views you're not causing trouble. These men were demanding and encouraging execution and violent stonings on people - that is causing hatred!

I hate this whole theory that it's the government who control what is bad and what isn't. If you're going to be that much of an anarchist why not start throwing Molotovs around and calling for rebellions because really! I don't have enough freedoms when I can't stand in the middle of a motorway and tap-dance.
You can never have too many freedoms right?

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

These men were demanding and encouraging execution and violent stonings on people - that is causing hatred!

I hate this whole theory that

Oh, God... the irony... Too much irony!

 

[Burs]

I don't see why we need a specific law foreboding inciting hate against X

Where X is gays or whatever.

Shouldn't it just be an offence to incite hate against any group of people?

well in a sense that's what it is they just get added to as new arguements/ new reasons to hate each other are put forward.

but it's sexual discrimination laws we are dealing with so maybe in the far and distant future where being gay is the norm; there "could" be cases of straight-hate.

These laws are not just one-sided.

 

[Quaxar]

They must have never seen Stephen Fry or John Barrowman. You just can't stay mad at homosexuals if that includes those two...

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

to be honest you could remove the "homosexual" part and replace it with ANY group of people and they still would have been arrested

This is true. I don't see someone handling out pamphlets about how all vegetarians should be hanged by the will of God doing that for very long before the police arrive.

tho I would probably pick up and actually read THAT pamphlet

Because it's funny to joke about executing people?

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

They must have never seen Stephen Fry or John Barrowman. You just can't stay mad at homosexuals if that includes those two...

They don't seem like the kind of person that gets out much, lol.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

to be honest you could remove the "homosexual" part and replace it with ANY group of people and they still would have been arrested

This is true. I don't see someone handling out pamphlets about how all vegetarians should be hanged by the will of God doing that for very long before the police arrive.

tho I would probably pick up and actually read THAT pamphlet

Because it's funny to joke about executing people?

depends who is being executed and how the joke is told... haha

The correct answer was no.