England Jails Homophobes

[CoffeeBoy]

I'm still of the opinion that it should be legal to voice hatred of a sexuality and to campaign for their legal execution.

There are no legal executions in Britain; therefore, this is a campaign to elicit illegal action. It is not a campaign to criminalize homosexuality, but to execute homosexuals.

That's a strawman argument at best and completely missing the point at worst. They are arguing it SHOULD be legal, not that they should illegally execute people.

No, they were claiming that some god is okay with the destruction of homosexuals and the township needs to decide by what means they should execute them. If there was any wording on any of their fliers that supported your point of view, I would have included that in my original post. But there was absolutely nothing on any of the fliers that they distributed that said, "Let's make or change a law." In fact, they blatantly avoided any discussion of whether there should be such a law and a return to state executions by stating, "the only question is how it should be carried out," in direct reference to the form of execution after listing several forms.

 

[GamemasterAnthony]

Good on the British for locking those people up. Yes, they have a right to an opinion and all that, but I feel that you have to draw the line somewhere.

QFT

So...who's all in favor of showing what happened to these guys to the Westboro Baptist Church and hint that we may follow England's example if they don't clean up THEIR act?

 

[Bloodtrozorx]

It's a double standard in my eyes and a miscaridge of justice.

Also, you called me stupid and misspelled "too". That's kind of funny, lol.

*Miscarriage

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

It's a double standard in my eyes and a miscaridge of justice.

Also, you called me stupid and misspelled "too". That's kind of funny, lol.

*Miscarriage

I didn't say *I* wasn't stupid

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

No, the point is that he then tried to encourage other people to hate. Incitement to hatred. You can hate people all day long inside your thick skull if you'd like. But as soon as you start to spout hatred over other people, don't expect them to treat it leniently, that's my view.

Your view is that it's okay for you to hate someone, but if you try to get other people to also hate them, then it's a problem?

I... don't see the logic.

Anywho, I've seen it before and I'll say it again: people hate people. Get over it. *shrug*

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

Good on the British for locking those people up. Yes, they have a right to an opinion and all that, but I feel that you have to draw the line somewhere.

QFT

So...who's all in favor of showing what happened to these guys to the Westboro Baptist Church and hint that we may follow England's example if they don't clean up THEIR act?

Luckily, the U.S. seems to want to keep their freedom. Hopefully they have a backbone and keep it that way.

 

[Matthew Dunn]

Yet again they try to force their culture and religious ideas on us in the UK
(Now im going to sound really offensive so there is your warning, but i am rather offended by this, im not gay but people like this should be taught a lesson in manners even if that means being removed from the country)
Have they not the slightest clue that this is not THEIR country so they shouldn't try to force THIER rules on us.
We live in a country of equality for everyone (<--- key phrase here)

Its like the time you tried to get sharia law in the UK.. which failed (fortunately)
If i was in charge i would gladly see bigots like them out of the UK forever

I dont really care if this offends anyone I just want people to be nice to each other no matter what country, culture, religious choice or race ect ect

If the UK is to be a Multicultural place we should learn to love and tolerate everyone

If you cannot do that ... bugger off while i drink my tea

 

[Wicky_42]

I have no doubt in my mind at all that someone leaving leaflets about how horrible rapists are wouldn't be punished, because it's 'okay' to hate them. I have no doubt at all that spreading hatred against neo-nazis and the KKK would be unpunished. It's 'okay' to hate them, it seems.

I would just point out that rape is illegal, whilst being gay is not. Therefore, speaking against rapists, murderers, muggers etc etc isn't spreading hate, it's speaking out against criminals. Calling for the destruction of people based on their sexual orientation is being hateful, I don't care what their holy book says on the topic.

 

[Robert Ewing]

Good to see the justice system works. In case any of you don't know about the inciting hatred laws in Britain, look em up. They're quite clear, and it's good to see they've been used to full effect.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

I have no doubt in my mind at all that someone leaving leaflets about how horrible rapists are wouldn't be punished, because it's 'okay' to hate them. I have no doubt at all that spreading hatred against neo-nazis and the KKK would be unpunished. It's 'okay' to hate them, it seems.

I would just point out that rape is illegal, whilst being gay is not. Therefore, speaking against rapists, murderers, muggers etc etc isn't spreading hate, it's speaking out against criminals. Calling for the destruction of people based on their sexual orientation is being hateful, I don't care what their holy book says on the topic.

I don't buy into that argument. It's okay to "speak out against" what others have decided are criminal activities, but not to speak out against things you personally think should be criminal? It falls flat in a second; if we go by that, no new law can ever be made, because you cannot speak ill of what isn't already a crime. And you know how things like rape and murder became illegal? Someone said "oi, you, killing all those people... knock it off," lol. Same with every law. Ever. "Stop hanging people because they're gay/black/a witch/Christian/Jewish, etc., etc.."

Just because in your eyes (and my own) being gay is as mundane as choosing to wear a white top, that doesn't mean others shouldn't be free to say how they feel it should be illegal. After all, we were doing just that to get it LEGAL to be gay not so long ago, and we continue to do so on behalf of gay marriage. Should we have been locked up for proposing gay people NOT be hanged and that people beating homosexuals should be thrown in jail? It wasn't a crime once.

People have risen up against their government, against kings and queens, all to give the people a voice. No matter how utterly idiotic, lol. If we don't let everyone voice their beliefs (so long as it isn't: let's go hang that guy) we are no better than those kings and queens and corrupt governments. Take for example the U.S. Deceleration of Independence; people fought and died to ensure their people could speak out and have their say on the laws they live under.

I think it comes down to people here just don't like homophobic behavior and it's easy for them to agree with locking them up--it doesn't negatively effective them so they don't give it a thought. So long as no one upsets them, to hell with the rest.

On a lighter note, that town hanging gay, black, strange, Christian or Jewish people must be really empty XD

 

[hawkeye52]

Speaking out on a public forum handing out pamphlets and other such promotion activites with the clear intent of spreading hate of another Just because they are of a certain group you disagree with is plain wrong. You are allowed to house those opinions, you are even allowed to talk to others in private about those opinions that is what freedom of speech is for.

Freedom of speech is not however for the right to stand on a podium or hand out literature saying why X group is evil and should be put to death by legal means or otherwise. What they have done is an abuse of a Right and this in itself is illegal as well as immoral.

 

[Wicky_42]

I have no doubt in my mind at all that someone leaving leaflets about how horrible rapists are wouldn't be punished, because it's 'okay' to hate them. I have no doubt at all that spreading hatred against neo-nazis and the KKK would be unpunished. It's 'okay' to hate them, it seems.

I would just point out that rape is illegal, whilst being gay is not. Therefore, speaking against rapists, murderers, muggers etc etc isn't spreading hate, it's speaking out against criminals. Calling for the destruction of people based on their sexual orientation is being hateful, I don't care what their holy book says on the topic.

I don't buy into that argument. It's okay to "speak out against" what others have decided are criminal activities, but not to speak out against things you personally think should be criminal? It falls flat in a second; if we go by that, no new law can ever be made, because you cannot speak ill of what isn't already a crime. And you know how things like rape and murder became illegal? Someone said "oi, you, killing all those people... knock it off," lol. Same with every law. Ever. "Stop hanging people because they're gay/black/a witch/Christian/Jewish, etc., etc.."

Nonsense There's a HUGE difference between campaigning to have a law changed or entering into discussion about what is right or not, or what is moral, and a campaign of hatred, opinion-bashing and hostile, aggressive demonisation of a group for no other reason than your personal opinion. We have a group here whose opening stance is "I read in a book that gays should be destroyed. So, what's the best way to kill every homosexual we can find? Come on people, time is money!" It's one thing to say, "I don't like people who are gay" - that's homophobia, fine, whatever. It's another to launch a political campaign to get them all killed.

As a fun little game, replace "gay" with "black" in your previous arguments and see how valiantly you are fighting to defend the KKK... have fun with that

 

[Dejawesp]

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The irony is hilarious. Sadly, this has martyr written all over it.

Daron Malakian! Nooo what have you done! We were promised a new album. You cant write in prison!

 

[gyroscopeboy]

who says im joking? im just saying its ironic that it probably will happen.


and besides, its the premise of every prison comedy film EVER so lighten the fuck up.

 

[ElPatron]

ITT: We think it's okay to insult people for being religious bigots, but they can't insult gay people.

ITT part 2: It's okay to ask for death penalty for pedophiles because our culture disapproves them. Muslims don't approve homosexuality and are called narrow-minded for it, probably in the future pedophilia will be legal and they will call us bigots for executing pedos BUT IT'S FINE TO ASK CAPITAL PUNISHMENT FOR THEM!

In a free country, do you think Hitler should have been able to express his opinions knowing what they lead to?

Yes. If it was indeed a free country.

Also, I hate social conventions. The fact that anyone thinks it's "okay" for society to tell you what you can or can't do drives me nuts.

Didn't "society" dictate it was okay to enslave black people?

There's a strong difference between "Being Gay should be illegal" and "GAY PEOPLE SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH [small]because being gay should be illegal[/small]"

No there isn't.

Both result in punishment. If you ask for capital punishment, there is death.

There is a difference between "LETS KILL AN BURN ALL GAY PEOPLE" and "LET'S MAKE HOMSEXUALITY ILLEGAL AND KILL THEM!" because in one you are implying that everyone should carry it out by their own hands and not with the approval with the state.

 

[ElPatron]

And that's where you're wrong. Completely wrong. A persons freedom to exist trumps another's freedom to kill people they disagree with.

Where did I say that Hitler should be allowed to kill anyone?

I answered your question, and you added unforeseen consequences. Remember that the Nazi Party was famous for using euphemisms to describe what they were doing. Hitler did not call a "open season" on Jews, homosexuals or invalid people. Hitler used Jews as a scapegoat for the economical situation and considered sub-human. The majority of the German public was not aware of the mass murders.

We can't predict the future. There are ALWAYS unforeseen consequences.

I simply said that Hitler should be allowed to say "I don't like Jews, they are subhuman and we should kill them".

It's the same thing that allows me to say "Hitler and Stalin were two dickheads and we should assassinate anyone who tries to reinstate their views". Doesn't mean that I would be elected by the general public and start killing Neo-Nazis and Commies legally.

Insult =/= Call for execution of.

Judging from the amount of posts that support that being a religious bigot is a criminal offense, I don't see how it is any different from trying to force Muslim culture on another country.

Just one request before I go: would you please, please tell me that you don't think killing all gay people is a good idea? Please? It's necessary for my peace of mind.

Is killing homosexuals a good idea?

Is making a girl wear a bikini on the streets of a Muslim country a good idea?

Hint: it's not.