Escape to the Movies: Centurion

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Creamygoodness

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Damn it.

Bob I really like all your reviews and think the were very accurate up to last week. Since your review of the The Expendables you dont seem to be making any sense.

If I understand your video all The Expendables was missing was T&A to make it good enough? Really? I think The Expendables paper thin plot was better because it didnt trivialize relationship between men and women by being a love at first sight or just a one nightstand love scene.

Whatever

What I really wanted to talk about was something that distubed me. The fact that you had a BAD review of The Expendables and with held it until a week after the opening weekend. This felt like a betrayal of my trust by leaving me out in the cold to be suckerpunched by what you "know" to be a crappy movie. What do you have to say for youself mister puppet of the movie industry?
 

nightwolf667

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Shale_Dirk said:
Do you really think it would have been better if he had said "Everyone in the world who watched this movie on opening weekend, excluding my viewers of course because they are educated enough to know better..."
No, I don't. I think it would have been better if he hadn't made those over generalizations at all and just reviewed the movie. That's what he's being paid to do: review a movie, not throw tantrums because his pet was out performed at the box office.

Shale_Dirk said:
The blanket statement was a necessity, and you people are nitpicking it as though he meant you and only you.
No, it wasn't. It was part of Bob's nerd raging tantrum. People are upset because they clicked on his link expecting to see a movie review, again not a purile infantile tantrum.

Shale_Dirk said:
It's not just about Scott Pilgrim losing to The Expendables.
In many ways, yes it is.

Shale_Dirk said:
It's about The Expendables succeeding at all.
For a professional film critic, the Expendables succeeding was a foregone conclusion and shouldn't have come as a surprise to anyone. Bob wants to sell himself as a professional. A professional does not throw a tantrum when the big triple A blockbuster succeeds over the indie artsy film with a very, very, very limited range of viewership.

Shale_Dirk said:
For all artistic and critical reasons, it sucked.
None of which Bob actually mentioned in his review. Many people, including myself, are still wondering exactly what it was that he hated so much. What it was that separated it from other films he liked in the past like GI Joe or The A-Team. Many of the complaints he levied against the Expendables were reasons why he praised those two movies. That's hypocritical.

Oh right, maybe it's because those two had boobs?

Shale_Dirk said:
It should have been a testament to the fact that a shitty movie with big-names trying to not be shitty should NEVER EVER BE MADE AGAIN. But in three months there will be another, because you asked for it with your wallets.
Well, those types of movies aren't going to go away and the Expendables failing at the box office wasn't going to make them go away. Adults know that. Unlike Scott Pilgrim, the Expendables is not marketed towards a niche and films like it have a very long history of doing well at the box office. Bob's biggest mistake was expecting a movie like that to even attempt to be "artsy" at all. Except, this is a critic who often says that it's okay for a movie to be big dumb fun.

Now, again, I'm not angry with him over any of this. I'm disgusted by his over use of titillation and the exploitation of women over his past few reviews. I'm disgusted by the fact that he rails against frat boys and douchebags while using the same kind of humor that will appeal to that demographic and ultimately ends up sounding like the stereotypical frat boy himself. I'm angry because Bob used to be good, he used to make points that were worth thinking about, and his opinion used to carry some weight with me. I'm disappointed by how far down the well he's fallen, especially for someone who wants to be taken as a "professional".

If I was just going to go by his last few reviews, then as a new viewer I'd assume that T and A are the only basics he needs for a film to be judged as good. It's disgusting and it needs to stop.
 

dystopiaINC

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OMG this is just way to funny, I as of right now am reading the final book or a series by Jim Butcher, the premise? "WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LOST ROMAN LEGION?" just like this, only BETTER, this series, "The Codex Alera", is basically a story of "what if that roman legion got sucked something like the Bermuda triangle? and came out in a new world? and had a thousand years to advance?" yeah i is absolutely sick, and if anyone here reads this and likes good fantasy novels you will definitely love these books.
 

RobMalibu

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When I watched bobs review of Iron Man 2, I thought he was pretty clever and had fair taste, then I watched a few other reviews like The Expendables and thought "wow this guy is kind of a pretentious arty douche. But who am I to judge.... he liked Piranha 3 for what it was which is pretty cool. Now he says this movie (Centurion)is great because it's similar to the great movies Doomsday and The Descent..... are you kidding? Those movies were complete shit, especially the descent. One of the only movies I actually considered walking out of the theater on. I guess everyone is entitles to their opinions eh Bob.
 

the clockmaker

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Now, I didn't weigh into last week's, well for the sake of decorum let's call it a debate. Calm rational arguments were give, along with shrieks and howls from both ends. The points that I had intended to make were made often and better than I could have. This week however, was a dissapointing lapse, not worth being angry over, but saddening that someone who is clearly intellegent is unable to see the other side of a debate.

Moviebob is paid to do this. It is his job. I know that that sounds overly simplistic but when you are paid to do something, it would really help to actually go about it with a sense of professionalism. So even though he is angry, perhaps justifiably, that something he liked was overshaddowed by something that he didn't, it would be better for him to focus on actually reviewing the film as opposed to a simple 'it fucking sucks!'

That is what I wanted to say last week, but as I said, I decided to stay out of it, after all, this is a fairly clever person, they will obviously address the more rational sections of their fanbase in the event that they decided to address any at all. What we got instead was a claim that all the arguments leveled against him were of the strawman variety. We got this in a rant delivered in what worryingly seems to be his idea of the opposition's voice in a movie of similar irony unawareness to the makers of the expendables responding to critiques that their film was stupid with shouts, muscle flexes and screams of 'NERD!'.

Moviebob is, for the most part, a serious reviewer and looking back on his discussion of framing and shot from the '2012' video, I get the feeling that he could be really good at it if he just accepted that his likes or dislikes, while an import part of any review, are not the whole of the thing. To close up, there are three kinds of reviewers, rational ones, trolls and comedians. Moviebob is quite funny enough to be a yahtzee style full blown comedian and so his only hope of credability is to continue is his old, rational style. Otherwise, a home under the bridge and fluro, stick up hair awaits.

**/*****
 

Nate Corran

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So an over the top R rated action movie isn't defined by fight scenes rather, as my friend described the film and moviebob very nearly did, tits and blood. I was going to let it go after the review and hopefully move on, but it seems The Expendables is Bobs new Transformers series...
 

darthricardo

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Disaster Button said:
Piranha looks good in a so bad its good sorta way.
Yeah, kind of reminds me of Mega Shark vs. Giant Octopus. Ridiculously over-the-top, almost satirical monster flick.
 

Whytewulf

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TheEnglishman said:
I wonder if Bob is thrilled with the high view and comment rating he's been getting over the last few weeks. I bet the Escapist is to. It's all good here.
I think you nailed it on the head. I know my rants are over, but reality is, I give it one more week to see if we get back to reviews, good or bad, but reviews of the movies that provide some insight onto the merits or lack there of. People then can make their own decision.
 

Jimmybobjr

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3d pirana; one of those forms of media which only have two selling points;
Stupid Violence, and Porn.
 

Sylveria

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So.. stupid cgi killer fish and stupid teens that you want to die is good... and over the top run and gun explody action is bad. Alright. I've been questioning Bob's taste in.. well.. everything.. for a while now but this is really the last nail. Beyond that, he's stopped reviewing movies in any sense at all for a long time and this half assed "Ohhh I'm being controversial and boobs are great" reviewing is lost all value as advice and entertainment.

Its some strange hodgepodge of being a movie snob yet being a 13yr old who only likes tits and gore. You'll praise one movie for the same thing you'll condemn another for. You'll recommend a piece of garbage because of the cinematography while shooting down one that has some editing foibles.

Bob, you sir, suck and do a disservice to anyone who views you and trusts in your advice.
 

radicaledward92

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This is the internet dearie, people can say whatever they want to without repercussions, its not his fault you went to go see a movie that in the end screwed you over. See the initial assumption was nothing but a marketing gimmick. Lets be honest, the only reason you all came to watch this movie was to see each of the 80's action stars hold a gun and kill people in a latino country. You didn't come to see plot, storytelling, or character development, and it's going to be all your fault when hollywood responds to the market by releasing an onslaught of 80's style action movies. Sure your group will fuel these but sooner or later they will drive you mad as well. Movies like AKIRA and Terminator 2, were famous 80's movies because they understood that having characters that we can understand and follow in active action sequences will produce a better outcome compared to a 2010 movie that has a 20 to 30 minute finale COMPLETE ORGY OF VIOLENCE with no sense of a climax or proper resolution
 

Amyler

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I'm not really interested in the 3D Piranha movie, but Centurion looks to be interesting for me; I like war films based back in the day when weapons covered in spikes, blood and the tears of orphans were considered the norm. =p
 

Swifteye

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Hpmh. Looks like movie bob did not go the gentlmanly path and decided to skid around the problem. He also shows his still unfortunate obession with bosoms. Movie bob is no critical reviewer in my eyes. He's just another nerd on the internet calling it like he feels with very little perpective.

Centerion looks good though.
 

TheAngryMonkey

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Keep up the good work Bob, take a shot at The Expendables every chance you get. And I wouldn't worry about the offended little ones, people complain about obvious cash cows from re,re-releases of Star Wars to The Lord of the Rings, to this new Avatar re-release. Then when you actually take part in sole purpose of lining someones pockets, you see no problem?? You don't consider yourself a fool. Ask yourself this; If you knew it was a cash cow and you went anyway. What would that make you? Remember everyone, they put guys in the previews that didn't even have a role in the movie. Now why would you do that? Get over it you got hosed, and all Bob did was tell you what you already knew you did.
 

Jinjiro

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Breaking News: Twilight fans across the globe thank MovieBob for finally creating ANOTHER audience stereotype...

*sarcasm off*

Seriously? People profile audiences all the damn time. MovieBob did so in his own style. Move on.

I love 'good bad' films and watching them with friends is always a great experience, so might check out Piranha.
 

Lord Krunk

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Gxas said:
In this thread: People continue their discussion of the expendables from last week because no one knows how to let anything go.
Post #3 predicted the entire thread perfectly.

That said, it was a good review. While I only intend to see Centurion for the Ackbar moment (you know the one), Pirahna sounds so horrible I just might love it. I agree about the whole 'so bad it's good' thing as well; Ed Wood was a god at them while Michael Bay stands as an example of B movies gone wrong.

Speaking of Michael Bay, I love the irony of how he's insulted the fans of Revenge of the Fallen constantly without much of a titter from the fanbase. It just goes to show how hypocritical this community is.
 

ProjectTrinity

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Oh gosh. I only read through the first page. Let me go ahead and annoy all sides with my very own opinion on a few points listed as if they were truth:

1) "Offended over the INTERNET": <-- Yeah, so? No seriously, is it the cool thing to do now to look down on the concept? People are people, lives are lives, and feelings are feelings. It doesn't become non-existent just because it's the internet. That sounds just as silly as hearing people get (too) offended by trolls. Seriously, emotions on the internet exists folks. Get off thought that everyone should be emotionless when they're insulted and/or hurt. I would hope people are more experienced in life in general for that.

2) Last week's review and the this week's review(s): I have to admit there is some irony to be had here. Going by my standards, I wouldn't watch any of the three movies. They all equate to shallow trash in comparison to what I seek in my movies, right? That's it. Trash is trash. Sure one trash might smell better, but it's still trash in the end. Bashing people for liking trash and (somewhat?) praising another is a great way for backlash to happen. And hey, I'm sure on the other 8 pages I have yet to read, my point is proven. Which goes to point 3

3) To be fair, I believe there could be a chance we could have a major communication error with what Bob meant. Sure, if he actually means "If you liked x, then you are y, end of story", then the backlash, I don't really have much to say. I believe there are exceptions to everything in life, hence my first point. If it is one of those cases where he should have clarified, then whoops on his part, I hope he takes the time to clarify things, with an apology for a clearly mixed message.

4) Those who named called and got a bit TOO angry, congrats, you now are in the same boat as good ole' Bob here.

5) Bob, pushing all of this aside, I DO have to bring up a personal concern or two. I'm a man who enjoys innovative quality, so don't worry about me defending any of the movies over the past two weeks. This is about your presentation over these movies.

Whether or not you wanted to come across as the overly angry guy who thinks that everyone who saw/enjoyed The Expendables were stupid mindless jocks or whether you meant something else, clarification was obviously needed, and usually, you clarify. But instead, there was no clarification. Only a bullet statement. Why not? It leads everyone to believe you have one way and one way only to glance at things. If that's true, it'd suck not to be able to take you seriously anymore, but I am someone who needs several, several outlooks on one given topic, and even encourage people to heavily debate me so I can see more angles and learn. And as such, that opinion of yours, if it was as it sounded, is simply wrong.

Another thing was conflicting/ironic opinions. I understood what you meant perfectly when you reviewed 2012: High budget, great acting, great music, great script, great pacing, great emotional moments, told in a familiar formula. It was done right and by all means done better than a lot of innovative titles that were "meh". However, "Pirhana", as you sold it, was just about gallons of blood, 3D, women (I don't know my women, soo...), and cheese violence. That, to me, is no better than The Expendables and what it represents. So basically, no matter who wants to bash me for it, I view them all as "avoid spending cash on them" category. Same trash experience for me.

So in the case of the two movies, what, exactly, was separating your enjoyment of The Expendables? The answer the forum will tell me would be nudity, and what your review has told me, is nudity. That does not bold well when topped with insulting (accidentally or otherwise) the Escapist community.

Please do fix, one way or another, before you do more reviews. And note: I was not insulted by anything you said, however, this situation is very interesting on all sides, so I thought I'd partake in it.
 

bojac6

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Hatchet90 said:
And you make fun of a movie that you didn't even see, where at least MB went that far. Hey buddy, guess what Scott Pilgrim was about? Video Games!!! Are you really that stupid to say that a movie dedicated to video games is not as good as a typical, piece of shit action movie and that the Expendables is more deserving of the Escapist's praise? Go jump off a bridge with Masterchief and the Marcus Phenix behind you, the world will be a much better place. You are a typical douchebag.
Everyone knows that Scott Pilgrim is about Video games. And frankly, you need to evaluate your position before you call other people stupid. Would I dare to say that a movie dedicated to video games is not as good as a typical action movie with exciting action and is more deserving of the Escapist's praise? Well, let us consider:
Super Mario Bros, the Movie
Street Fighter
Every Mortal Kombat Movie
Every Tomb Raider movie
BloodRayne,
Doom,
Silent Hill
Hitman
Far Cry
Resident Evil
and Uwe Boll, in general.

These are all video game movies. You know what they accomplish? They make video games a joke. They make the populous think that all video games are mindless, piece of shit storylines that most action movies couldn't get away with. This movies all suck and are all far worse than Expendables.

So should we criticize them? Or if we didn't like them, should we go jump off a bridge with two video game characters in a comment I really didn't understand?

Frankly, because Scott Pilgrim has video game elements, we need to be more critical of it as gamers, not less. It's an opportunity to make video games even more mainstream and part of the vernacular. That's why Movie Bob raves about it. I didn't like Scott Pilgrim, I thought it was cheesy and kinda dumb. But it's a step in a direction that I like.

So, should I jump off a bridge with characters from two very popular, and actually quite fun video game franchises?