Steelfists said:
wait.. He spelt Muslim "moslem?" And the continues to sprout ignorance? This is why when I rule the world, there will be a lot of dead people.
EDIT: Sorry for the DP wrong button.
European Union vs. North American Union
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wait.. He spelt Muslim "moslem?" And the continues to sprout ignorance? This is why when I rule the world, there will be a lot of dead people.
EDIT: Sorry for the DP wrong button.
Well, eventually the Amercans would probably win. But by then many millions will be dead, their economy will have collapsed and both continents would basically be devastated. After that China, Japan and India will be new superpowers.
Hmm.. Let's say that France, Britain and Germany have an army numbering 100,000 men. I know Britains army is around 100,000 strong, so i would assume France, Germany, and perhaps Spain Italy, Sweden and Poland to have roughly the same size armies.
100,000x6=600,000
Now, let's say that smaller EU nations like Belgium, Netherlands, Romania, Greece and Ireland have an army numbering 50,000 men. There are 27 EU states, minus the six already mentioned that leaves 21, minus luxembourg which doesnt have an army, that leaves 50,000x20= 1,000,000.
Woah, now i know my estimates could be flawed, but the EU could easily have an army of 1.5 million soldiers, all professionally trained and well equipped. That is before drafting and conscription. Now, i imagine the combined navies and airforce's of the EU would also be pretty impressive. Initially my hunch would be that the North American Union would win, but now i'm not so sure.
We also have pretty good fighter's, most notably the Eurofighter, and the Germans do make damn good tanks (always have, always will) Leopard tanks are awesome, and in British Challenger 2's you can brew tea!! Germany also has a considerable industrial capacity, and each European nation have their elite forces. The British have the SAS, the Germans have GSG9, (Which is damn good) the French have the French Foreign Legion and the British have the Para's. EU has a slightly higher population than US, Canada and Mexico. (EU=499,000,000) North American Union=(447,000,000) Not really significant.
Really i think it would be stalemate, there is a big Atlantic ocean in the way, and this would be murder to cross, and even then you have the problem of actually getting a huge invasion force onto EU or North American soil and sustaining it with supplies coming across the Atlantic ocean.
If the EU and the North American Union unite of course, we could pwn the planet several times over.
100,000x6=600,000
Now, let's say that smaller EU nations like Belgium, Netherlands, Romania, Greece and Ireland have an army numbering 50,000 men. There are 27 EU states, minus the six already mentioned that leaves 21, minus luxembourg which doesnt have an army, that leaves 50,000x20= 1,000,000.
Woah, now i know my estimates could be flawed, but the EU could easily have an army of 1.5 million soldiers, all professionally trained and well equipped. That is before drafting and conscription. Now, i imagine the combined navies and airforce's of the EU would also be pretty impressive. Initially my hunch would be that the North American Union would win, but now i'm not so sure.
We also have pretty good fighter's, most notably the Eurofighter, and the Germans do make damn good tanks (always have, always will) Leopard tanks are awesome, and in British Challenger 2's you can brew tea!! Germany also has a considerable industrial capacity, and each European nation have their elite forces. The British have the SAS, the Germans have GSG9, (Which is damn good) the French have the French Foreign Legion and the British have the Para's. EU has a slightly higher population than US, Canada and Mexico. (EU=499,000,000) North American Union=(447,000,000) Not really significant.
Really i think it would be stalemate, there is a big Atlantic ocean in the way, and this would be murder to cross, and even then you have the problem of actually getting a huge invasion force onto EU or North American soil and sustaining it with supplies coming across the Atlantic ocean.
If the EU and the North American Union unite of course, we could pwn the planet several times over.
Wouldnt Canada side with England and France before the US, you know because thats what they all are, European and French (technicaly).
And the USA's Navy isn't well trained? Look don't get me wrong, I think both are great well trained Navys. Its just that to say one is a clear cut, better trained Navy seems a bit farfetch. They are both very well trained.George144 said:
Also it's not just aircraft carriers. The USA also has a superior amount of Cruisers and Frigates.
For some reason that made me want chocolate breasts...or I probably know why. I love chocolate and I love breasts so it would be awesome.MikeOfThunder said:
OT: The EU since it's getting less and less democratic so the y would just run over the people and form a badass military.
Actually the EU is getting more and more democratic. The whole new treaty adds another layer of power to the democratically elected Parliament. The EU is not an evil technocratic superstate bending on world dominations.
The Member States have a say in regard to every policy, if they wanted they could Veto anything.
For those interested, the EU (or EC back then), has attempted to create a common army when it were still a handful of memberstates. The French proposed it got it signed by everyone, and (when their government changed) were the only ones where the Parliament didn't ratify the treaty. They had everything ready on paper, even the uniforms.
Nowadays an attempt of cooperation on the area of defense is made trough the European Security and Defense Policy (Very slow process). Best they got is a few thousand troops acting as a rapid reaction force which can be deployed in a short amount of time almost anywhere.
The Member States have a say in regard to every policy, if they wanted they could Veto anything.
For those interested, the EU (or EC back then), has attempted to create a common army when it were still a handful of memberstates. The French proposed it got it signed by everyone, and (when their government changed) were the only ones where the Parliament didn't ratify the treaty. They had everything ready on paper, even the uniforms.
Nowadays an attempt of cooperation on the area of defense is made trough the European Security and Defense Policy (Very slow process). Best they got is a few thousand troops acting as a rapid reaction force which can be deployed in a short amount of time almost anywhere.
Um, actually i've been doing some research. America has 280 warship's, and 3,700 aircraft. The major European powers, which i count as UK, France, Germany, Italy and Spain (woops, missed out Sweden, never mind) have in total 423 warships alone, almost double that of the United States. I haven't included European auxiliary vessels in the figures btw. I would estimate that the European navy's combined comes to around 500 warship's, and at least 3000 aircraft.JimmerDunda said:
Never underestimate the ability of the United States to get stuck arguing with itself. Especially when the Democrats control congress.fix-the-spade said:
We don't disregard the normal ones we just acknowledge that there is a substantial branch that uses islam to promote a violent agenda. Radical christains say katrina was gods judgement, radical muslims fly planes into buildings, or blow themselves up. Just saying.Steelfists said:
The EU would win. We would have the advantage of numbers (unless the usa drafted a considerable number of men) and the vast majority of the worlds special forces. Not only that, the armies of the EU are far better trained and just as well equipped. And we have a decent supply f nukes too.
Hell, we wouldnt even need to mobilise our armies. Just send the SAS, Spetznaz and GSG9 to remove the usa govt and army officers. Job done, war over, america fucked
Hell, we wouldnt even need to mobilise our armies. Just send the SAS, Spetznaz and GSG9 to remove the usa govt and army officers. Job done, war over, america fucked
People here seem to think that special forces are the only things involved in a war, and even then think that they are some kind of immortals.
Uhh, a war like that doesn't just involve these two continents, we don't really know who China would side with, NA would have Israel (second best military on the planet), I obviously don't see this every happening but I'd say NA wins, this war would be the REAL world war.JimmerDunda said: