European Union vs. North American Union

[Shaoken]

hey why doesn't anyone mention the navy SEALS,aka the most elite special force in the world.

Because special forces don't do much during an actual war. They're not Master Chiefs in disguise capable of taking down legions, they're used in completely different circumstances.

Besides, Israel would most likely have better Special Forces then the US, but then again they need to have better ones then everyone anyway.

 

[freakonaleash]

hey why doesn't anyone mention the navy SEALS,aka the most elite special force in the world.

because they aren't the most Elite special forces in the world that title goes to Spetsnaz, SAS or the Sayeret Matkal of isreal.

Tell that to Dick Markinco

 

[darkless]

hey why doesn't anyone mention the navy SEALS,aka the most elite special force in the world.

because they aren't the most Elite special forces in the world that title goes to Spetsnaz, SAS or the Sayeret Matkal of isreal.

Tell that to Dick Markinco

If I had any idea who that was I would.

 

[Nomad]

The EU is just as well equipped as America on half the spending, Thus the point of who pays more is made irrelevant unless you want to get in to who will run out of money first funding a long term war effort.

First of all, the US shares military technology with its NATO partners. In this scenario, that particular deal would be off, negating the EU advantage of free technology. Second, the EU nations are most certainly not as well equipped as the US, they have a massive head-start looking at technology. The reasons you're not seeing it are plentiful. First, there are currently no theaters of war in which the US would have the need or oppurtunity to display their breakthroughs for international review. Second, the NATO military cooperation obligates the US to share relevant technology and doctrines with their partners in joint operations, and vice versa. Third, some of the more groundbreaking technology is both expensive as hell and ethically questionable, which is a great reason for the US not to use it unless someone forces their hand. One innovation in particular caught my interest a while ago, but I can't find it again, since I can't remember what they called it. It was a little mosquito-like remote controlled flying thingymajigg, anyway, designed for urban warfare. It could paralyze anyone in a near vicinity using a high-pitched sound that caused people's eardrums to rupture, allowing protected specialists to swoop in and neutralize the opposition while they were writhing in pain on the ground.

Looking at the aspect of long term war effort, none of the factions would be able to sustain the aggression thanks to the globalized economy. The US relies heavily on European industry for its own to function, and vice versa. Not to mention multinational corporations that would be forced to relocate all over the place. Along with diplomatic relations and nuclear technology, economics would need to be discounted in order for this scenario to be made possible.

 

[quiet_samurai]

I think the North Americans would win simply because we get along better with each other then most European countries. Canada and Mexico would let the USA lead the charge without second thought while europe would be arguing over who's in command.

but if both siodes were fully prepared and ready for one another, I couldn't say. Many European countries have excellent militaries.

 

[Mcface]

I'm from North America, and we would have no chance in a prolonged conflict. ONLY if the EU could organize and strike first.

However, if we had advanced knowledge, our superior navy and air force would make an invasion on American soil nearly impossible at worst, and very costly at best.

 

[Mcface]

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For the first time on this forum, I agree with everything.
Also, it would be nearly impossible to occupy America, Mexico and Canada.
We have a huge population, many of which have fire arms. Guerrilla warfare would take a devastating toll on the occupying force, which would also have a basic language barrier being from different language speaking countries. Where as U.S, Canada and (many) Mexicans speak English.

Some American states have civilian Milita , made up of ex soldiers and special forces who organize groups 200+ strong, just for this type of thing.

Plus the open borders would allow soldiers and guerrillas to easily pass between countries.

 

[Turismo]

Awe, isn't that cute. Europe thinks it's relevant on the world armed forces stage.

If we're talking North America Vs. Asia (Really, just China) then the North America would lose heavy handedly. North America. versus Europe? It's not even worth talking about. Europe isn't organized enough and can't get along. Even their irrational hate for the U.S. alone can't get them to do anything without having to hold 17 summits first. They'd be too busy worrying about weather or not their tanks and planes are "Eco Green" enough.

 

[JimmerDunda]

If all of the EU rose up America would be crushed, not just in terms of military support but looking at it economically and socially America couldn't survive without the support and co-operation of the EU. Especially as its likely that Russia and Chine would bring their aid to the EU (well its kind of iffy with China they might just stay neutral.)

Considering the fact the USA(not including canada or mexico) has a larger Navy than the European Union combined, I think you may want to rethink "crushed."

but then Russia enters

Haha, don't make me laugh. Russia's Navy has been piss weak since the fall of the Soviet Union.

 

[HerrBobo]

EU.

Westren Europen armies are, genrally, the best trained and equipped in the world. On top of that there are the very millitant Eastren Bloc and Russia!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5277034.ec


Yaaaaawn.

And your point is?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8423112/

 

[Numb1lp]

America would win. Why?
We're better than everyone else at everything we do.
And if we're worse, then it doesn't count.

Amen brother!

 

[pizzapicante27]

Yet their nuclear submarines are still superior than American ones and still very sought after even after the Cold War hmmm....

And by the way dont count on us Mexicans siding with the american ARMY., so it would be more like USA and Canada against half the first world, in a 2 front war (yes Siberia is also Rusia) that seems bleak to me

 

[the cornflake]

Considering that russia has been pushing for acceptance into the EU, they would side with europe. And when they do they will just roll over us with the millions of tanks they have sitting around from after the cold war. Germany's and Britain's navy would screw us over while the french hang back and ready the same useless defenses they used in WW2.

Also its not called the North America Union, its NAFTA, North American Free Trade Agreement.

Edit: Heres another thought, think of the hundreds of gangs in America that would love if the Government(police) were gone. they would cause a counter-guerilla war and win it for the EU even faster.

 

[HerrBobo]

Awe, isn't that cute. Europe thinks it's relevant on the world armed forces stage.

If we're talking North America Vs. Asia (Really, just China) then the North America would lose heavy handedly. North America. versus Europe? It's not even worth talking about. Europe isn't organized enough and can't get along. Even their irrational hate for the U.S. alone can't get them to do anything without having to hold 17 summits first. They'd be too busy worrying about weather or not their tanks and planes are "Eco Green" enough.

Yeah but we are talking in theory. There is not going to be war, any time soon at least.

I think it is safe to assume that Europe would be united in the OP's vision of this war.

 

[JimmerDunda]

If all of the EU rose up America would be crushed, not just in terms of military support but looking at it economically and socially America couldn't survive without the support and co-operation of the EU. Especially as its likely that Russia and Chine would bring their aid to the EU (well its kind of iffy with China they might just stay neutral.)

Considering the fact the USA(not including canada or mexico) has a larger Navy than the European Union combined, I think you may want to rethink "crushed."

Yes the Americans have more ships (by a small margin), but you have to look at how well trained and experienced they are, the UK navy alone has some of the proudest traditions and strictest training in the world, and has likely the most real combat experience on any large scale in the Falklands, plus many of the ships in the US fleet are aircraft carriers and not actual warships and are spread out around the world. Its a strong Navy but head to head against all of the EU's I'm willing to bet it would be defeated.

And the USA's Navy isn't well trained? Look don't get me wrong, I think both are great well trained Navys. Its just that to say one is a clear cut, better trained Navy seems a bit farfetch. They are both very well trained.

Also it's not just aircraft carriers. The USA also has a superior amount of Cruisers and Frigates.

Um, actually i've been doing some research. America has 280 warship's, and 3,700 aircraft. The major European powers, which i count as UK, France, Germany, Italy and Spain (woops, missed out Sweden, never mind) have in total 423 warships alone, almost double that of the United States. I haven't included European auxiliary vessels in the figures btw. I would estimate that the European navy's combined comes to around 500 warship's, and at least 3000 aircraft.

We must have some different sources because my charts show the USA has 50 Destroyers, 92 Frigates, and 1559 various Naval ships. It also states the USA has over 18,000 Airborne based weapons and about 4,500 helicopters.

Each of these statistics out sources all of the European Union combined, except for helicopters.

 

[the cornflake]

If all of the EU rose up America would be crushed, not just in terms of military support but looking at it economically and socially America couldn't survive without the support and co-operation of the EU. Especially as its likely that Russia and Chine would bring their aid to the EU (well its kind of iffy with China they might just stay neutral.)

Considering the fact the USA(not including canada or mexico) has a larger Navy than the European Union combined, I think you may want to rethink "crushed."

but then Russia enters

Haha, don't make me laugh. Russia's Navy has been piss weak since the fall of the Soviet Union.

Does this sound "piss weak" to you?

[The Typhoon class submarine is a type of nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine deployed by the Soviet Navy in the 1980s. With a maximum displacement of 33,800 tons, the Typhoons are the largest class of submarine ever built, large to accommodate decent living faculities for the crew, when the submarine remained submerged for months on end. The source of the NATO reporting name remains unclear, although it is often claimed to be related to the use of the word "typhoon" (òàéôóí) by Leonid Brezhnev in a 1974 speech while describing a new type of nuclear ballistic missile submarine. In its day it was one of the most feared weapons of mass destruction ever made. Although technically able to successfully deploy their long-range nuclear missiles while moored at their docks, Soviet doctrine for these vessels was to have them attack North America while submerged under the arctic circle, avoiding the traversal of the GIUK gap to remain safe from enemy attack submarines and anti-submarine forces.]

Russia owns.

 

[JimmerDunda]

Yet their nuclear submarines are still superior than American ones and still very sought after even after the Cold War hmmm....

And by the way dont count on us Mexicans siding with the american ARMY., so it would be more like USA and Canada against half the first world, in a 2 front war (yes Siberia is also Rusia) that seems bleak to me

Haha, don't make me laugh. Russian submarines a pile of rust. The only reason they were sought after the cold war was because we wouldn't sell ours.

 

[Kuhly]

Yes America has a lot of advanced weapons and vehicles but it still can't win a war against a group of people who major mode of transport is goats.

 

[JimmerDunda]

If all of the EU rose up America would be crushed, not just in terms of military support but looking at it economically and socially America couldn't survive without the support and co-operation of the EU. Especially as its likely that Russia and Chine would bring their aid to the EU (well its kind of iffy with China they might just stay neutral.)

Considering the fact the USA(not including canada or mexico) has a larger Navy than the European Union combined, I think you may want to rethink "crushed."

but then Russia enters

Haha, don't make me laugh. Russia's Navy has been piss weak since the fall of the Soviet Union.

Does this sound "piss weak" to you?

[The Typhoon class submarine is a type of nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine deployed by the Soviet Navy in the 1980s. With a maximum displacement of 33,800 tons, the Typhoons are the largest class of submarine ever built, large to accommodate decent living faculities for the crew, when the submarine remained submerged for months on end. The source of the NATO reporting name remains unclear, although it is often claimed to be related to the use of the word "typhoon" (òàéôóí) by Leonid Brezhnev in a 1974 speech while describing a new type of nuclear ballistic missile submarine. In its day it was one of the most feared weapons of mass destruction ever made. Although technically able to successfully deploy their long-range nuclear missiles while moored at their docks, Soviet doctrine for these vessels was to have them attack North America while submerged under the arctic circle, avoiding the traversal of the GIUK gap to remain safe from enemy attack submarines and anti-submarine forces.]

Russia owns.

Wow they have a submarine that launches a nuclear missile. Congrats, we have those too, expect ours are not large, in fact they are smaller, more productive, take less time to maintain, launch at further distances, and above all stealthy. Just because something is the size of a 30 blue whales doesn't make it the next advancement in warfare technology.

 

[UsefulPlayer 1]

I'm not gonna say America is going to win, but I would say for certain that we're not going to lose.

Why? Because we're fucking Americans.