European Union vs. North American Union

[GreyWolf257]

I would have to say North America. We could argue forever about who has the most advanced military, so I won't.

First off, I have no fear of Malta, Romania, Greece, Luxembourg, Lithuania, Belgium, Finland, Netherlands, Cyprus, and several other European countries, including all of the candidate countries, too (But some of the others could cause some trouble).

Oh, and Russia is NOT in the EU. It doesn't even LIKE the EU, or America for that matter.

P.S: I just named all three of the Benelux countries...that probably says something...

 

[WelshWizard]

Umm America's army is not near the most elite... at all. Also, que smartasses who treat war like a game with pwned, and other such terms.

Notice how I said "military" not "army." USA has the largest and most advanced Air Force and Navy in the world. We also have a large Marine Corps, which rank as some of the best trained soldiers in the world.

My brother is in the true antecedent of all modern Marine Regiments, the Royal Marines. Serving in the gulf, he frequents American military bases primarily manned by American "Marines". They all readily acknowledge the vast superiority of the British marines without question; in fact, he has described many as almost 'wide-eyed' in their admiration. American "Marines" are equivalent to regular British army troops. Indeed, the Royal Marines basic training comprises 32 weeks; the USMC basic is less than half that. Sorry to burst your bubble, but American 'Marines' are far, FAR from being amoungst the 'best trained soldiers in the world'.

In terms of th elite, Europe is very much in the ascendancy I'm afraid.

 

[Blitzkrieg8]

Europe. Why? One word: SAS

Price, Soap, Roach, the whole gang, ptff. Uber mega pwnage day one. Might aswell just give up

Seriously though I hope that war never breaks out

You forgot a about Gaz, he was my friend

 

[IrirshTerrorist]

What do others think?

Instead of fighting why don't N.A.U and E.U just team up and take over the world. Then divide it up. We get Russia and Australia, you get Asia and Africa. In fact why don't me and you just take over the world and split it 50/50... interested?

 

[Blitzkrieg8]

North America will win because we have Obama he can use his Jesus powers to kill everyone

Also France will Surrender and Italy will switch sides keep that in mind

 

[fuzzball]

Wouldnt Canada side with England and France before the US, you know because thats what they all are, European and French (technicaly).

According to your logic, America would also side with Spain, and England and other Europe countries due to their backgrounds

 

[JimmerDunda]

Umm America's army is not near the most elite... at all. Also, que smartasses who treat war like a game with pwned, and other such terms.

Notice how I said "military" not "army." USA has the largest and most advanced Air Force and Navy in the world. We also have a large Marine Corps, which rank as some of the best trained soldiers in the world.

My brother is in the true antecedent of all modern Marine Regiments, the Royal Marines. Serving in the gulf, he frequents American military bases primarily manned by American "Marines". They all readily acknowledge the vast superiority of the British marines without question; in fact, he has described many as almost 'wide-eyed' in their admiration. American "Marines" are equivalent to regular British army troops. Indeed, the Royal Marines basic training comprises 32 weeks; the USMC basic is less than half that. Sorry to burst your bubble, but American 'Marines' are far, FAR from being amoungst the 'best trained soldiers in the world'.

In terms of th elite, Europe is very much in the ascendancy I'm afraid.

I don't think you can compare the UK to the rest of Europe. Remember we just don't have the Marines, we also have the Navy Seals and other sub-groups.

 

[72Chevy]

One word...Raptors...of the F-22 kind.

 

[manaman]

People here seem to think that special forces are the only things involved in a war, and even then think that they are some kind of immortals.

To many video games floating around in their head.

There is no way to tell this for sure. North America would seem to have an advantage as they basically lead and run NATO. The EU did make an agreement that they could call up the troops serving in NATO capacity if they where needed for the defense of the entire EU and that the troops could be withdrawn from their NATO duties if it clashed with the EU's priorities.

Sure tech wise they are close. There is a larger war machine behind the US, and the tactics rely on quickly being able to mobilize troops from anywhere in the world to anywhere. I was in Kuwait when we declared war on Iraq.

It could all come down to who is in charge of the military and the political situation at the time. How can you all assume you know the outcome of that?

 

[Venatio]

I almost pissed in my pants with laughter at the thought of Europe fighting us, not only because if it werent for us NATO would be nothing but also because they are such war hating peace loving liberals. Germany's bitching about losing 6 guys in the war, oh boo-hoo, and Italy is no better. Britain would be our toughest fight and the rest would be mop up.

 

[freakonaleash]

Actually the draft would be reinstated and U.S, Canada army would probably have 20 million soldiers.

 

[fuzzball]

People here seem to think that special forces are the only things involved in a war, and even then think that they are some kind of immortals.

To many video games floating around in their head.

Lol Modern Warfare.

OT: I do not think the European Armies would ever be able to sustain ground forces on US soil. Too many people with guns. The only possibility would be to massacre the American people, and if that happened the American Army wouldn't need a draft, people would be lining up to get in on the war effort. America also has many experimental weapons and great non-nuclear weapons that would demolish much of the EU. America has a adequite defense against these, and the EU for the most part does not. America will also be able to gain an easy foot hold in Europe through France or Ireland, hehe jk. Depending on the circumstances, USA will probably be able to gather up their navy, but the air force would probably be able to keep the European navy at bay long enough for the American Navy to assemble.

I know that China isn't involved but I am 75% sure they would side with the USA because they would not want to lose all the money that we owe them.

If worst comes to worst, I guarantee America will say "FUCK IT ALL" and just throw out nukes like the T-Shirt cannons at sports events.

EDIT:

Considering that russia has been pushing for acceptance into the EU, they would side with europe. And when they do they will just roll over us with the millions of tanks they have sitting around from after the cold war. Germany's and Britain's navy would screw us over while the french hang back and ready the same useless defenses they used in WW2.

Also its not called the North America Union, its NAFTA, North American Free Trade Agreement.

Edit: Heres another thought, think of the hundreds of gangs in America that would love if the Government(police) were gone. they would cause a counter-guerilla war and win it for the EU even faster.

On your thought, many of the gangs in America would not turn against the government, gangsters love the American freedom, and are actually quite patriotic underneath, at least the majority is.

 

[fuzzball]

One thing not being taken into consideration in all of this is logistics. The key to any war, finance, food, productivity, and supply lines. Bear in mind this whole theoretical war would rely upon Europe getting along so it is assumed as the basis of what Im writing.
Europe has a large amount of untapped oil both on land and at sea. Financially Europe is in much better shape. Europe has superior health care (manpower). Europe has more fertile land. Since Europe comprises of many independent nations, manufacturing is also harder to interrupt as most of them have self contained industry.
America's only advantage would be supply lines. Organising a singe republic, V's dozens of independent nations is far more efficient.

Americas biggest enemies? a huge coastline, a lack of allies outside of Europe, reliance on imported oil. The war is lost before standing forces are even taken into account.

Well America is pretty darn good friends with some of the Middle East countries, and financially we would be in better shape because we wouldn't be in too much debt because there is no way we plan to pay anything back to Europe when we are fighting them. The economy in America might start booming from all the new money into military and what not. Food wise, we could ration, McD's has plenty of food it would contribute to the war effort, lol.

 

[JimmerDunda]

One thing not being taken into consideration in all of this is logistics. The key to any war, finance, food, productivity, and supply lines. Bear in mind this whole theoretical war would rely upon Europe getting along so it is assumed as the basis of what Im writing.
Europe has a large amount of untapped oil both on land and at sea. Financially Europe is in much better shape. Europe has superior health care (manpower). Europe has more fertile land. Since Europe comprises of many independent nations, manufacturing is also harder to interrupt as most of them have self contained industry.
America's only advantage would be supply lines. Organising a singe republic, V's dozens of independent nations is far more efficient.

Americas biggest enemies? a huge coastline, a lack of allies outside of Europe, reliance on imported oil. The war is lost before standing forces are even taken into account.

You forget Canada has a lot of untapped natural resources, so theoretically Canada and the USA are allies and they get a large amount of fuel. The USA is also the #1 Agricultural nation in the world so food wouldn't be that much of a problem either.

 

[fuzzball]

Since when does North America have a union?

United States Of America was called the union dumbass (long time ago 1700's 1800's)

XxdragicexX meant a union with North America, and this is a theoretical union for this thread.

 

[zuluking187]

Yaaaaawn.

And your point is?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8423112/

So they're both fat, you still haven't given any proof that western armies are better trained or equipped.

 

[Osloq]

This would never happen unless every single leader in Europe and America went batshit crazy. The number of nuclear weapons under the fingertips would pretty much assure mutual destruction.

Who would even want a side to win? Millions would die in an incredibly pointless war.