dragonslayer32 said:
Talshere said:
dragonslayer32 said:
Talshere said:
A Labor Goverment was the worst thing that ever happened to the UK. When they gained power with Blair way back when the UK was in the black, 12 years on the joint party government is cutting back on EVERYTHING just to stop going further into the red and we have a 130 billion debt to clear. I dont care how much people like having benefits for not having a job, because of some minor ailment noone will ever notice etc, it all needs scraping because we simply cant afford it.
'ALL'? Are you serious? My father served 15 years in the navy until he couldn't work anymore because of a condition which causes his joints to seize up. Are you saying that he shouldn't get any money from the country he protected for 15 years? So we can't afford to help people like my dad, but the tax payer CAN afford to pay for David Cameron's 3 houses and staff?
Im pretty sure that doesnt come under the heading of benefits because you cant be bothered to work or ailments that nobody will ever notice.
Let me be more specific. ADHD didnt exist till what. 30 years ago? That doesnt mean it didnt exist. The same number of people "suffered" exactly the same problems but managed just fine without special classes and free trips with funded extra schooling because he cant stop being a dick in class. Just like people who have dyslexia with manifests as an inability to spell. I cant spell. My hand writing is atrocious, I probably qualify for mild dyslexia under some tarded rules. I dont have dyslexia, I just cant spell and my hand writing is crap because I'm left handed.
Its THIS sort of thing I'm complaining about. The people who work 8 hours a week and claim benefits because they can rather than work a 30+ hour week like everyone else.
I have noting against an old solider claiming his due after 15 years of active service. ESPECIALLY if the active service has contributed to his current state. But the general benefits economy we have running atm CANNOT continue to function. The lower income bracket is guna HAVE to be the worst hit whether they like it or not because you cant take benefits away from people who cant or wont claim them, and the higher income bracket tax bracket is already being taxed to breaking point, some of those people pay over 40% of their income in tax ffs what MORE do you want? In my personal opinion, income tax should be a flat % like 20% of your income. Everyone loses the same % of their income. I don't see why just because you earn more you should be levied with more costs to fund people who earn less.
I can see where you are coming from but 30 years ago we had mines and ship yards that people with those ailments would have worked in. The tories basically destroyed manual labour meaning these people were out of a job. It was the labour government that has been trying to pick up the pieces from this, and that is why people say labour have failed. Also, with the current economy, more businesses are closing which effects those 'special' people who still have jobs. I agree with the idea of equal income tax but you can't take people's benifits off them. Do you really think they don't want to work? Granted some don't but I can safely say the majority do. If the current government find can them jobs, great, we will save money on benifits but if they can't, they shouldm't still take them off them. Even university degrees are becoming meaningless now so how doyou expect people who can't get qualifications to manage?
There is a big difference between cant get qualifications and wont. To give you an idea, I grew up in Hull. The city has over 10% unemployment. There simply aren't the jobs to go round. My sister applied for a job job at Morrisons. They had 5 vacancies. They got over 250 applications. For those people, I sympathise. But for every person trying to get a job there are 5 who just don't bother. I know people with A-levels who have been living on the dole since they left college. They haven't even TRIED to get jobs. I know via proxy one guy who has turned down over 10 jobs offered by the job search centre because "he has to catch the bus to work". WTF kind of excuse is that? I have a "friend" who got sacked because his job wouldn't let him take off any time he wanted. They gave him 4 days off for medical reasons, because it was to uncomfortable for him to mover around much, but after that I personally couldn't see why he couldn't work, he was going to the shops, taking his kid to the park, but somehow he cant work behind a counter....He refused to go back, so they sacked him. Imo, thats fair play on his jobs part. But as far as he was concerned they were being unreasonable. He HAD a job and he blew it off cos he couldn't be arsed, and has been living on the taxpayers dime ever since. Like 2 years now. Needless to say I lost all respect for him after this debacle.
And this is in an area with over 10% unemployment. Some people would count themselves lucky to have a job and go in any day they are physically allowed to. But reliably you go to the job centre and its the same 50 guys queueing up every week to turn down jobs. And thats just the days I went.
Then you get areas where people are DESPERATE for workers. You see a recruiting poster in every other shop window and STILL you have estates in these areas when half the people don't have jobs and are not in education.
Also, saying the Tories destroyed our industry is a misnomer. As long as we have a minimum wage our industry's like that were doomed. The same company's can extract the same mineral from a mine in a different country that is worth the same amount, they can then ship it half way around the world to be smelted and they distribute it globally for 1/5th of the price they can just extract it in the UK. Then you add in all our over done health and safety and the fact that ~EVERYONE, literally EVERYONE claims benefits for something or other due to ill health no matter how minor. Its amazing we still have any running mines at all tbh. To say any one government was the sole cause of the downfall of industry in the UK is just being ignorant. The Tory's might have given it that final push but they were already standing on a crumbling precipice. It was only a matter of time.
Now might not be the best time to start cutting back due to the economy, but we have no choice. Everyone is just guna have to suck it up.
Interestingly. You know those MASSIVE cuts everyone is up in arms over? You realise thats not even reducing our debt right? All thats done is attempted to get it to the point we are no longer going into debt.
EDIT: Side note. At one point my mum turned a promotion and py rise DOWN because the increase in income would have resulted in a net loss to household income due to the loss of benefits. So she delayed her promotion 3 months. This sort of this is a disgrace that the system allows it to happen. How can ANYONE justify a system that causes you to LOSE money when you get a promotion.
