Fall of the U.S.?

[silversnake4133]

Oi, and people wonder why the younger generations like video games more than reality...=_=;

Besides, so what if the US breaks up at the end of 2010, we're all gonna die in 2012 anyway. :3

 

[Commissar Sae]

Haha, a Russian wrote this? Russia is so much closer to internal collapse than the US. 9/11 showed us that we may have varying opinions and beliefs but we still are a very unified nation.

Except, you know, Russia is a whole lot more unified behind their leader. From a Russian perspective, a strong leader is what maintains unity. Any foreign national looking at the US political scene can't help but despair at what a mess you all are making of politics.

It's a matter of opinion. Will the US fall this year? In my opinion (and as a political scientist/historian I have some sway) I say that no, it shall not. for all its weaknesses and divisions the United States is still strong country with a fierce sense of self (and self-entitlement) and as such severely unlikely to break up.

 

[itsnotyouitsme]

Of please, If the governor of Texas tries to succeed he would be shot and there would be no investigation or suspects.
And people have been predicting the fall of the US since before we were the US.

 

[iTeamKill]

The United States will not fall. Many Americans remember we only have 2 years left with a awful leader. Once we reelect a ACTUAL leader we should do fine.

we got rid of bush 2 years ago...

 

[Serge A. Storms]

Just for kicks and giggles, if this were to happen, I highly doubt that florida will be in that mix of the south. We got our rednecks but no where like it is in other southern states

I call bullshit. Northern Florida is the redneck epicenter of the universe.

I'll give you northern Florida, only because its borders are with Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi. From Orlando on down and parts of tally however is a different story

You can blame border states all you want, but Florida's the one that elected Jeb Bush and calls Jacksonville a "city" rather than a "breeding ground."

 

[inflamessoilwork]

If the states do break up, I hope it goes something like this

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Well, one, the US is not Rome, and one main thing is Rome was worse placed than we are since we have less countries and less hostility in our immediate area. Also war was even more commonplace then, and we are not ruled by a dictator/monarch, and our senate is less powerful and hopefully less corrupt than the Roman one.
We dont live in a time of rise and fall like Rome had been. Could the US "fall" without taking out the whole world too? Yes. Within a bit more than half a year? No.

I don't know x.x The British Empire started collapsing like a house of cards after The Great War.

The 20th century was rife with EMPIRES collapsing, not just countries. Entire attitudes concerning colonisation and Imperialism were swept away in a bat of the eye.

British Empire, Ottoman Empire, The USSR, the Dutch East Indies colonies to name a few (and in no particular order). People seem to forget how much the world has changed in the last 100 years. And the world has weathered it just fine all things considering o.o

If we were being truthful to ourselves, we'd realise that America has *never* had the extensive reach that the British Empire had at the height of her power.

Personally I think we give America way too much credit ... if it were to collapse in the next couple of decades I think it would go with a whimper, not a bang. I think that whilst it was 'whimpering' other power bases would arise.

That being said, I hope if America does begin to default and start to break up due to excessive international debt (China and Japan alone own 20% of America's Total worth in US Bonds...) it will do the right thing and scrapo it's military hardware and destroy it's nuclear arsenal.

Last thing we want is those weapons getting out onto the international black markety in order toi pay back American debt.

 

[shaboinkin]

Just for kicks and giggles, if this were to happen, I highly doubt that florida will be in that mix of the south. We got our rednecks but no where like it is in other southern states

I call bullshit. Northern Florida is the redneck epicenter of the universe.

I'll give you northern Florida, only because its borders are with Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi. From Orlando on down and parts of tally however is a different story

You can blame border states all you want, but Florida's the one that elected Jeb Bush and calls Jacksonville a "city" rather than a "breeding ground."

I think you meant to call Jacksonville "DUUUUUVVVAAALLLLL"



I hope to god you know what im talking about lol

 

[Serge A. Storms]

I have to ask, how are people talking about this even being an "interesting idea?" The ideas this dude has beyond his fantasy of the dirty capitalist pigs tearing themselves apart are batshit nuts. The lines drawn on the map were completely arbitrary and the belief that, if the U.S. broke up, the four sections would just be taken over or merge with bordering nations is even less founded in reality than the theorized collapse. It's nothing more than shock talk.

 

[Miumaru]

Well, one, the US is not Rome, and one main thing is Rome was worse placed than we are since we have less countries and less hostility in our immediate area. Also war was even more commonplace then, and we are not ruled by a dictator/monarch, and our senate is less powerful and hopefully less corrupt than the Roman one.
We dont live in a time of rise and fall like Rome had been. Could the US "fall" without taking out the whole world too? Yes. Within a bit more than half a year? No.

I don't know x.x The British Empire started collapsing like a house of cards after The Great War.

The 20th century was rife with EMPIRES collapsing, not just countries. Entire attitudes concerning colonisation and Imperialism were swept away in a bat of the eye.

British Empire, Ottoman Empire, The USSR, the Dutch East Indies colonies to name a few (and in no particular order). People seem to forget how much the world has changed in the last 100 years. And the world has weathered it just fine all things considering o.o

If we were being truthful to ourselves, we'd realise that America has *never* had the extensive reach that the British Empire had at the height of her power.

Personally I think we give America way too much credit ... if it were to collapse in the next couple of decades I think it would go with a whimper, not a bang. I think that whilst it was 'whimpering' other power bases would arise.

That being said, I hope if America does begin to default and start to break up due to excessive international debt (China and Japan alone own 20% of America's Total worth in US Bonds...) it will do the right thing and scrapo it's military hardware and destroy it's nuclear arsenal.

Last thing we want is those weapons getting out onto the international black markety in order toi pay back American debt.

Well, England is still here. So if by collapse of US, they mean we will get better and less forceing ourselves on other countries, then good. But if they are saying this will become the FORMER USA, then no. Honestly, now we slowly are turning towards the rise. We just need to keep Obamas in offices, and keep Bushes and Cheneys out. (ie similar thinking people, open-minded yes, close-minded out)

 

[firedfns13]

The United States will not fall. Many Americans remember we only have 2 years left with a awful leader. Once we reelect a ACTUAL leader we should do fine.

They all suck.
I feel like its in the job description. Until America votes in the Centrist party, we're not really going to do much different than the tool barn in power now and the idiot that just left.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Well the governor of Texas did threaten to secede. So there's that.

Be warned, I will have your head on a pike for this. Now half the posts are going to be Texas bashing.

OT: OH TEH NOES! TEH ENDZ FO THE WORLDZ!11!1

No, I don't think that will happen.

 

[geldonyetich]

If the states do break up, I hope it goes something like this

Honestly, if there was a second civil war today, I'd say let them have Jesusland and half our debt. In 20 years we'll be recovered and they'll be looked at in the same light as a third world South American country.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Well, England is still here. So if by collapse of US, they mean we will get better and less forceing ourselves on other countries, then good. But if they are saying this will become the FORMER USA, then no. Honestly, now we slowly are turning towards the rise. We just need to keep Obamas in offices, and keep Bushes and Cheneys out. (ie similar thinking people, open-minded yes, close-minded out)

England is still there, yes :3 And Spain and Portugal, not forgetting Holland.

But countries and empires can collapse so radically that there is no hope of retrieval ... Like the Habsburg states. The Holy Roman Empire imploded, so utterly and completely, that it would fragment and affect European history and diplomacy for the next 300 years.

They become shadows of their former selves, and bitter sweet memories of the old days are all that remains.

I think alot of Europeans (Central continental and Eastern) would kill for the glory days of the Enlightenment and Illumination.

When Countries collapse it's never pretty. The biggest problem that the US has is that it has no international holdings, nothing to sacrifice or sell.

To be fair the US got the short end of the stick, by the time America started looking beyond insular troubles and expansion, the era of Colonisation and Imperialism had well and truly been under attack by most sectors of the World Audience.

People laugh when they look at the map of an America divided ... but it could very well happen in the next 20 years.

America has to repay it's debt *eventually*. You can't just refuse to pay back a debt, because then nobody anywhere would purchase US bonds, or invest in American businesses, or even buy American produce.

The Only thing that America could pay back it's debtors is with land and weapons x.x Which creates a whole new problem.

 

[Mcface]

Haha, a Russian wrote this? Russia is so much closer to internal collapse than the US. 9/11 showed us that we may have varying opinions and beliefs but we still are a very unified nation.

Seeing as Russia is pretty much totally run by a criminal underworld, and have been since the collapse of the Soviet Union, it's safe to say they are on the way out first.

Nothing is out of the ordinary in America. We have a president who no one likes, again. Nothing to see here people.

 

[Heeman89]

Eh, according to him I'm going to be Canadian in a couple weeks.

Quick, what do I do?!?!

I don't even know how to make an Igloo!

Become addicted to maple syrup, ice hockey, and beer (aren't those the typical Canadian sterotypes?)

OT: I doubt that we break apart like he thinks, I really see us becoming more like Greece then breaking apart. Up to our eyeballs in debt and lots of rioting.

 

[Mcface]

(Pretty sure the US Constitution still allows a state to secede at any time. Come to think of it, if the US was balkanized by an outside force all of the states could secede to reorganize themselves in a way that hurt them less - keeping the farm belt together, etc.)

The only state that reserves the right to secede at any time explicitly is Texas due to its former status as a nation. Even Hawaii's incorporation doesn't say anything out loud. The rest are considered unable to secede by the U.S. Constitution, so says Abraham Lincoln.

South Carolina... just doesn't get the picture.

Technically Rhodes Island was it's own province, we were the last to sign on and become apart of America, all the other colonies said they would cut trade off with us, so we kinda had to. (at the time RI was a big shipping state, making a ton of money from trade with the brits, and a large number of spots were actually pirate safe havens..)

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Eh, according to him I'm going to be Canadian in a couple weeks.

Quick, what do I do?!?!

I don't even know how to make an Igloo!

If Axis Powers Hetalia is correct, you should blend into the background and get blamed for America's screw ups...