Fall of the U.S.?

[fasteddie_felson]

wow! put on probation for suggesting christian fundaMENTALists might be the reason if america ever did break up...

Sorry but i'm sticking to my guns on this one... I read the other day christian groups are trying to knock down america's seperation of church and state, and seriously how many more liberal states (or even true republican ones) would ever sit back and take that crap..

Americas religious freedoms spring from this seperation and the freedom all americans have to worship whatever god they wish, or none at all, so if america did split up, (unlikely at best) I state again, christianity will be to blame!

I agree with you. The extreme religious right wants to take away constitutional freedoms because of their interpretation of God's will. If the Fundamentalist got their way we would end up a Theocracy run by Christian leaders. As it is the state does not use favoritism because of the 1st Amendment. Meaning by law you can't be persecuted if you are a Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu, or some other minority religion, or non-religious if you choose.

you got put on probation most likely because the Escapist is afraid of flaming and hateful commentary. I really don't see this site being one that Fundamentalist Christians are going to be reading the forums though.

 

[Nickolai77]

I.. nobody seems to have pointed out that, the EU wouldn't want the US.. it's the EUROPEAN Union, Japan has as much of a chance as joining as a piece of the US does =/

I.. I want Japan to join the EU now, gief better trading relations plz

Heh, screw a European Union, we want a world union!!

..You mean the UN?

The EU and the UN are quite different things, both are instutions of political co-operation, only that the EU takes it to a deeper level. You'd need a "world union" if you want economic intergration with Japan.

 

[Nmil-ek]

The USA still has at least ~25 years of remaining as the world's only true superpower in my opinion. After that it will probably be a toss-up. All the "America is screwed" talk that i've been hearing lately seems like a mix between pessimism and secretive wishful thinking people have and will continue to have until they see what a post-US superpower world will actually look like. The USA's debt problem isnt as bad as people think it is (it's still bad), the rising powers in China and other developing nations are not doing as well as people think they are, and it will probably take even longer than 25 years before a rival power (China, India, etc) is able to come close to the quality and power of the US military. This is just my humble opinion though as someone who has dug into this subject alot lately.

A less respectful response would be that the person who made that prediction is a tosser.

It's as bad and then some thinking otherwise is naivé, it's not only the sum of the debt but the structure you allow to continue banks can still make side bets with utterly no punishment and they have every right not to disclose the information, you have 10 times the global GDP I repeat 10 times more money than exists in the world on derivatives. Can you hounestly say thats not as bad as everyone thinks?

Banks are not broken up, your politicians have done nothing to change the system and the financial reform bill that Obama passed is a fucking joke. It wont be war that topples the us it's going to be inflating the second derivative bubble unfortunatley that means you drag the entire world down with you, no bailouts uhis time.

 

[KeyMaster45]

wow! put on probation for suggesting christian fundaMENTALists might be the reason if america ever did break up...

Sorry but i'm sticking to my guns on this one... I read the other day christian groups are trying to knock down america's seperation of church and state, and seriously how many more liberal states (or even true republican ones) would ever sit back and take that crap..

Americas religious freedoms spring from this seperation and the freedom all americans have to worship whatever god they wish, or none at all, so if america did split up, (unlikely at best) I state again, christianity will be to blame!

I agree with you. The extreme religious right wants to take away constitutional freedoms because of their interpretation of God's will. If the Fundamentalist got their way we would end up a Theocracy run by Christian leaders. As it is the state does not use favoritism because of the 1st Amendment. Meaning by law you can't be persecuted if you are a Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu, or some other minority religion, or non-religious if you choose.

you got put on probation most likely because the Escapist is afraid of flaming and hateful commentary. I really don't see this site being one that Fundamentalist Christians are going to be reading the forums though.

Separation of church and state is a load of BS and in the US is something that's damned near impossible to achieve. Look at any of the big time controversies on law and you'll see that one side or the other is for or against it based on their religious beliefs. It's a great idea in concept, and if our government actually operated by that standard to the letter we'd be much better off than we are now. When you remove religion from the equation of politics it comes down to raw facts and logic(hopefully) when making decisions.

People have religious beliefs, even our politicians. Those religious beliefs shape and mold their moral standards for day to day life. While we may hold those in power to the standard of not bringing their religious beliefs to the table when it comes to shaping law they unfortunately will.

 

[Warforger]

Nope, most Americans have too much paranoia since they have no grasp of what Communism, Socialism or Fascism is.

Now there is a growing gap between Con's and Liberals and Libertarians, with shit like "Liberal Fascism" they go out and say these things, then the Liberals get pissed and insult them and they say "Ohhh look at how we're so "oppressed" it may eventually reach far worse levels, but thats highly doubtful.

 

[capin Rob]

The United States will not fall. Many Americans remember we only have 2 years left with a awful leader. Once we reelect a ACTUAL leader we should do fine.

EDIT: I don't care what you think. So no replies, I don't want to log on and find 32 messages of more hate mail :]

YE-HAW!

Palin 2012, oh wait, I don't drink lead paint, so I know that would suck.

 

[Rakun Man]

Wait. Six divisions? Does that mean a six sided civil war? Thats a messed up game of Risk. Anyway, Dibs on one sixth. My allies will be France and my policy will be Manifest Destiny. The North Pole, the moon, and Uranus (I just had to) will be my colonies. Immigrants are welcome, any takers?

 

[awsome117]

Less serious 1: We're too lazy to break apart. Would be too much effort for us.

Hahahaha, making fun of the obese Americans! Oh shit, it just got that much more intense in here.

More serious 2: Yes, we have internal problems, but not enough to "break apart".

I wouldn't say that... We do have Obama.

OT: No, America is full of patriotism for itself. There is no way America would split, we all love ourselves too much.

On that note, have a good Memorial Day, my American friends. Remember the Alamo, Iowa Jima, Gettysburg, etc. etc.

We Americans are too easy to make fun of

 

[ZephrC]

Look, there is absolutely zero desire in America to break the country up, and nobody else has the military might to invade. How is this even supposed to happen? Are other countries just going to buy bits of the US? I don't see how that would work even if somebody tried. It'd be more likely to turn out with the Americans saying something like thanks for the money, now fuck off you filthy foreigners.

No, the America I know and love is dying, but it's lack of education that's killing it, not debt, and its replacement will be geographically identical and likely have the same name. That will be a sad day for the whole world, let me tell you, and I hope I don't live to see it. I'm afraid I probably will though.

 

[ThatsBitch3n]

The United States will not fall. Many Americans remember we only have 2 years left with a(N) awful leader. Once we reelect a ACTUAL leader we should do fine.

EDIT: I don't care what you think. So no replies, I don't want to log on and find 32 messages of more hate mail :]

Fixed.

Ok, OT, HOGWASH. that is all.

 

[cheese_wizington]

Well, zombies.

Seriously, read World War Z.

 

[Banana Phone]

I personally wouldn't trust a former KGB agent with predictions about the US. However, i could see the US breaking apart, not as soon as the end of the year, but maybe by 2020. Perhaps unlikely, but I see it as being possible.

 

[Commissar Sae]

Look, there is absolutely zero desire in America to break the country up, and nobody else has the military might to invade. How is this even supposed to happen? Are other countries just going to buy bits of the US? I don't see how that would work even if somebody tried. It'd be more likely to turn out with the Americans saying something like thanks for the money, now fuck off you filthy foreigners.

No, the America I know and love is dying, but it's lack of education that's killing it, not debt, and its replacement will be geographically identical and likely have the same name. That will be a sad day for the whole world, let me tell you, and I hope I don't live to see it. I'm afraid I probably will though.

I dunno 65 Trillion dollars of debt, most of which is owed to China, Japan and chunks of the Middle East, is a pretty hefty sum. It would probably be a cheaper alternative to try to just give them chunks of land than keep going the way things are.

 

[Frankster]

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I think it will happen and it will be the same as the Soviet Union (let me explain lol)

the biggest country (russia) inherited all the political power of the SU, while the smaller countries (kurdistan, estonia, georgia) were left by the political wayside and fell into the political and economic blackhole

England will inherit all the political power and influence that the UK holds right now, and Scotland (I think the only one who I think will take devolution) will vanish into political/economic obscurity ala estonia and other eastern bloc states

Well if it's anything like southern ireland, scotland will revert to being a tiny speck of a country reliant on tourism, surviving but amounting to a micropower.
England would inherit the political power and influence for sure, but once UK is broken up its strength will dwindle, england would be a tiny miniscule country and simply wouldn't have the ressources to keep up with growing powers, they would fall to obscurity aswell, even if it takes far longer.
Russia had the ressources to survive by itself and still be a real power but not england.

I honestly don't get it :\ I get the impression these kinda people have watched Braveheart one too many times, shouting Freedom and all, but not understanding that breaking up UK will be a disaster for everyone involved. United we are capable of great things but cutting up what is already a tiny island is sheer madness.

 

[Yureina]

The USA still has at least ~25 years of remaining as the world's only true superpower in my opinion. After that it will probably be a toss-up. All the "America is screwed" talk that i've been hearing lately seems like a mix between pessimism and secretive wishful thinking people have and will continue to have until they see what a post-US superpower world will actually look like. The USA's debt problem isnt as bad as people think it is (it's still bad), the rising powers in China and other developing nations are not doing as well as people think they are, and it will probably take even longer than 25 years before a rival power (China, India, etc) is able to come close to the quality and power of the US military. This is just my humble opinion though as someone who has dug into this subject alot lately.

A less respectful response would be that the person who made that prediction is a tosser.

It's as bad and then some thinking otherwise is naivé, it's not only the sum of the debt but the structure you allow to continue banks can still make side bets with utterly no punishment and they have every right not to disclose the information, you have 10 times the global GDP I repeat 10 times more money than exists in the world on derivatives. Can you hounestly say thats not as bad as everyone thinks?

Banks are not broken up, your politicians have done nothing to change the system and the financial reform bill that Obama passed is a fucking joke. It wont be war that topples the us it's going to be inflating the second derivative bubble unfortunatley that means you drag the entire world down with you, no bailouts uhis time.

We will see.

 

[ZephrC]

Look, there is absolutely zero desire in America to break the country up, and nobody else has the military might to invade. How is this even supposed to happen? Are other countries just going to buy bits of the US? I don't see how that would work even if somebody tried. It'd be more likely to turn out with the Americans saying something like thanks for the money, now fuck off you filthy foreigners.

No, the America I know and love is dying, but it's lack of education that's killing it, not debt, and its replacement will be geographically identical and likely have the same name. That will be a sad day for the whole world, let me tell you, and I hope I don't live to see it. I'm afraid I probably will though.

I dunno 65 Trillion dollars of debt, most of which is owed to China, Japan and chunks of the Middle East, is a pretty hefty sum. It would probably be a cheaper alternative to try to just give them chunks of land than keep going the way things are.

If we were running this country based on which option was cheaper we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place.

Edit: Also, most of that 65 trillion figure is owed by banks. Last time I checked, banks don't have the right to give away pieces of the country they're located in. The actual government owes 13 trillionish to foreign powers, and we're still making the payments on that, no problem.