Fallout: are the roots of classic RP completely extinct?

[sushkis2]

Having played all the Fallout games, it's hard not to be disappointed by Fallout New Vegas. Exploration is hampered by terrain and untiered enemies that are too easy to encounter; the stakes seemingly aren't as high; the introduction was uninteresting; the various forces in the game don't seem as important or worth caring about; the perks aren't quite as great; the first DLC was an exercise in tedium; and getting to the game's namesake is irritatingly arduous.

Sure, I enjoyed roaming its wasteland, but I'm pretty sure I enjoyed doing so more in Fallout 1, 2, and 3.

OT: Which roots are you talking about? Generally speaking, the latest additions to the Fallout franchise have the most interesting characters; explore more complicated themes; have more plentiful and more striking locales; and more weapons. But in terms of PURE role-play? No, their predecessors have them beat.

The roots haven't dried out completely; the farmer's just shifted the dirt around.

That said, if Fallout 4 looked like Fallout 1 with the memory of Fallout 3 or NV, just imagine how immersive, diverse, and faceted it could be.

You realize you could encounter high level enemies right at the start of the originals right? And was hampered by constant fear because everything kills you? New Vegas = Original fallouts in first person.

lol, NV isn't fallout 4, that would be like saying, GTA vice city is GTA4

 

[sushkis2]

Soo, thank you, comrades for the insight, I will call it a day, and get me planescape and arcanum tomorrow, sorry Bioware fans.

 

[Wuffykins]

OT: I think you're asking for other rpgs similar in style to the early fallouts. If so, baldurs gate, icewind dale and planescape: torment are all dnd universe/turn-based rpgs that are supposedly pretty good (i've only played bg2). If you're not into fantasy then you're shit out of luck.

Pardon my nitpickery, but Whuh??!!! No, really, I'm actually quite curious how the three Infinity Engine series of games, that being a RTwP based engine, qualify as "turn based". No rant today, just really, how?

Sorry for re-posting, apparently, I have put my poll in a wrong category earlier.

I have finished Fallout 3 earlier, i thought it was awesome, then came Fallout NV, i was disappointed, completely... Then i thought, hmm, shouldn't there be Fallout 1 and 2? I got me Fallout 1, and... I had the most fun out of a video game in years. I just got sick of those action rpg's, fps's and mumorpugers... And i coudnt find anything remotely similar to this turn based rpg style, at least not in the last decade.

Leave your suggestions and whatnot

The only games that have come up so far are Planescape something and Arcanum sumthin-sumthin, are they good ore even better than Fallout?

Speaking as one of the old school RPG game enthusiasts, this post was akin to a choir of angels singing in my hear. Hallelujah yes indeedy. Anyway, game suggestions. I'll try not to repeat ones already mentioned, well beyond a definite YES to Arcanum, but here's one I cannot suggest enough: Temple of Elemental Evil by Troika (guys who did Arcanum btw) that you can find at GOG.

True, it's essentially a PC port of an old P&P Module in the Greyhawk world, but it is the best damned implementation of D&D combat in a PC game bar none. Turn based, plenty of options, and just very well implemented overall. Also a lot of replaybility as a) it is a difficult (yet short) game, and party generation lets you choose one of 9 intros and main quests (based on alignment chosen). Granted, you'll need to look into the Circle of Eight fan patch (Oh, look into fan patches for Arcanum too) to really get it going, but it's still cheap enough at GOG to at least warrant a trial (6 bucks I believe?).

 

[Wayneguard]

OT: I think you're asking for other rpgs similar in style to the early fallouts. If so, baldurs gate, icewind dale and planescape: torment are all dnd universe/turn-based rpgs that are supposedly pretty good (i've only played bg2). If you're not into fantasy then you're shit out of luck.

Pardon my nitpickery, but Whuh??!!! No, really, I'm actually quite curious how the three Infinity Engine series of games, that being a RTwP based engine, qualify as "turn based". No rant today, just really, how?

Ok... I may or may not have been completely high when I wrote that. What I was thinking was the dice rolling was like taking turns... or something.

 

[Hertzila]

Also speaking of system shock 2 and looking glass, any way I could get thieves 1 and 2 running on win 7?

For Thief 2: http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=76531
and this for the DDfix http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121449
For Thief 1 I think it's about the same, but I'm not sure as I don't have it.

OT: I think the classic RPG has pretty much died because:
1. Money has become fairly important factor in developing (maybe because nowdays you could only develop random NPC 124's left shoe with the time and money it used to take to develop a whole game) and classic RPG has a smaller following (at least perceived following).
2. We have much better simulator/"simulator"/arcade-mechanics for shooting and sword-fighting that less people find pure dice rolls and numbers to be as entertaining.


While Deus Ex is far from the turn-based classic RPG you asked, I think it deserves a mention.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_Ex

More closer to your request that I have actully played are the already mentioned Arcanum and Planescape: Torment.

 

[sushkis2]

Speaking as one of the old school RPG game enthusiasts, this post was akin to a choir of angels singing in my hear. Hallelujah yes indeedy.

Only thing left to hope for, is that game developers will one day take notice of such topics and, will eventually come up with, what people really want THUMBSUP to all you supporters!!!

 

[Manoose47]

I find it strange that you loved falllout 3 but didnt like like new vegas, and then went on to really enjoy the first fallout.It's just that New vegas is much closer to the original fallouts than fallout 3, that said its a shadow of their quality, not saying its bad, just completly inferior.

I assume you've also played fallout 2? If so i'd recommend you play it again and again with completely different skills and stats, the entire game is radically changed each time you play with different stats... for example if you play with an intelligence of 1... you r character will literally be so stupid that he wont be able to talk to anyone.

Arcanum is alright, baldurs gate is immense! if its a case you have a real serious dislike for fantasy games then i suppose give it a miss, but the baldur's gate series is for all intensive purposes a masterpiece for any genre of game.

It is weird though, that their isn't really a lot of fallout-esque rpgs when there are so many fantasy ones.

 

[Manoose47]

oh yeh, you might also try vampire the masquerade bloodlines, its a dark gritty modern rpg with vampirism thrown in to boot. although it must be patched!

 

[Bostur]

I find it strange that you loved falllout 3 but didnt like like new vegas, and then went on to really enjoy the first fallout.It's just that New vegas is much closer to the original fallouts than fallout 3, that said its a shadow of their quality, not saying its bad, just completly inferior.

To me FO3 felt a bit more open ended. Not as linear in the world map and with more freedom. That made it feel a bit more classic to me, since FO1 and FO2 had similar qualities.

Overall I think I prefer FO:NV, but FO3 certainly had some qualities of its own.

 

[gamer_parent]

that's because the real roots of RPG in computer games never was there in the first place. CRPGs have from the very beginning be about just copying over the numerical aspects of tabletop roleplaying. Sure, some games have come further than others in getting closer to the experience, but most RPGs just have the system, not the content.

 

[Avaloner]

I haven't read the entire topic, so excuse me, if I repeat the game.

But maybe you should try out an old game from Blue byte that never really got any attention, its called "Albion", it is rather linear, sadly, but makes up for the great story, great surroundings and great graphic, for being produced 1995 that is.

It is however rather far in the magic/fantasy world, but maybe the story keeps you playing.

 

[sushkis2]

OOH, my god... i'm sorry to announce, that arcanum made me runn for the hills, and back to fallout 2... just not my kind of game...

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Only hope left for planescape

 

[Cenequus]

I love how people call out Fallout NV bad? Might be the best of the serie and yes I played them all.
As for classical rpgs I guess people that just call out Baldur's gate are just plain hipsters. And nothing is worse than a nerd hipster. Of course this are the same kind of people that today think DA2 is bad and what not. Why do I say this? because when Planescape Torment came out(and almost 2 years after) everybody(reviewrs/RPG fanboy)were saying thiss was the worse game ever. Do you see the trend?

 

[Vern5]

OOH, my god... i'm sorry to announce, that arcanum made me runn for the hills, and back to fallout 2... just not my kind of game...

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Only hope left for planescape

Haha. Yeah I was kind of expecting that. Made by the same people but Arcanum was very different when you get into it.

 

[sushkis2]

So you liked Fallout 1 but not 2 ?

NO, lol, i love both of them.

Planescape looks awesome, i love that voodoo setting Morte is just lulzy THUMBSUP for Black Isle, for bringing such awesome titles to the world. If there's any game that needs to be remade or just needs a sequel, is planescape!! I hope Bioware and or Bethesda make one of listed above!

 

[Wuffykins]

Haha. Yeah I was kind of expecting that. Made by the same people but Arcanum was very different when you get into it.

Arcanum was made by a Troika, not Black Isle as Planescape was. Granted, it was formed by key members of the original Fallout team, but I think they had left before Planescape:Torment was released.

OOH, my god... i'm sorry to announce, that arcanum made me runn for the hills, and back to fallout 2... just not my kind of game...

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Only hope left for planescape

Yeah, Arcanum is a bit hit or miss with some people (it was the combat that did it, right?) I'd suggest giving it another try in a while, you may be pleasantly surprised.

As for Planescape: Torment, well that is the one title out there that's considered around the same level as Fallout (really depends who you ask really), and chances are if you ask any long time RPG fan what's the greatest RPG ever made you'll be hearing one of these two being mentioned.

Just be prepared for a lot of reading though. Not saying it as a bad thing, just saying get comfy and maybe brew up a coffee.

 

[sushkis2]

Haha. Yeah I was kind of expecting that. Made by the same people but Arcanum was very different when you get into it.

Arcanum was made by a Troika, not Black Isle as Planescape was. Granted, it was formed by key members of the original Fallout team, but I think they had left before Planescape:Torment was released.

OOH, my god... i'm sorry to announce, that arcanum made me runn for the hills, and back to fallout 2... just not my kind of game...

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Only hope left for planescape

Yeah, Arcanum is a bit hit or miss with some people (it was the combat that did it, right?) I'd suggest giving it another try in a while, you may be pleasantly surprised.

As for Planescape: Torment, well that is the one title out there that's considered around the same level as Fallout (really depends who you ask really), and chances are if you ask any long time RPG fan what's the greatest RPG ever made you'll be hearing one of these two being mentioned.

Just be prepared for a lot of reading though. Not saying it as a bad thing, just saying get comfy and maybe brew up a coffee.

Well, the dialogue isnt that bad, at least for me it was worse in morrowind, and i got me some birch sap instead of coffee